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Post by internetmama on Mar 5, 2019 19:08:27 GMT
Want to get really mad? The money he is using to pay for international travel and weeks of Airb&b is money he is stealing from you and your kids. Sounds like he rented a car or paid for an Uber or something too. I’d venture to say at minimum he will spend near to $5000 on his little holiday to the US. Doesn’t sound like he’ll be eating peanut butter and jelly while he’s here and daily prepared food costs add up quickly too. Had he stayed in Europe, that’s all money that could have been paid back to you. It doesn’t sound like he’s going to be able to hold a job so when he spends money it’s not getting replaced in a profitable way. I hope you get mad enough and tough enough to break away from him. You have already done more for him than 99.7% of ex’s would do even for the parent of their children.
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Post by Zee on Mar 5, 2019 19:09:15 GMT
I'm thinking you sort of enjoy the savior/martyr role or you'd stop worrying about him, picking him up at the airport, texting him, or letting him stay at your house or sit on your couch.
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Post by freebird on Mar 5, 2019 19:13:18 GMT
I'm going to say this with a loving voice..... you keep getting in line for this crap. You can't complain about him, when you agree to it and signing up.
First one's on him...
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Post by kelly8875 on Mar 5, 2019 19:18:42 GMT
He is your ex. Therefore not your problem or responsibility. His family needs to take care of him.
Stop answering his calls and talking to him so much. I never jump to my ex calling or texting, and it’s not even that often.
He flew to this country unassisted, I’m sure he can handle a place to stay on his own.
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Post by summer on Mar 5, 2019 20:03:44 GMT
But you aren't done. You are going to keep finding yourself in these situations again and again and again. He is not going to change. You have to stop running to his rescue. Ask yourself why you keep running in to save the day. What do you get out of it? You must be getting something out of it otherwise you'd change your behavior. Especially if you truly were as fed up as you like to complain you are. He is your ex. You are not responsible for him. Stop enabling him.
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Post by chlerbie on Mar 5, 2019 20:03:52 GMT
He's your ex for a reason and you keep allowing him to manipulate you. I think you've already gone above and beyond anything I ever would have done. He is NOT your responsibility. You are divorced. His family needs to step up. NOT YOU.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 5, 2019 20:07:25 GMT
Want to get really mad? The money he is using to pay for international travel and weeks of Airb&b is money he is stealing from you and your kids. Sounds like he rented a car or paid for an Uber or something too. I’d venture to say at minimum he will spend near to $5000 on his little holiday to the US. Doesn’t sound like he’ll be eating peanut butter and jelly while he’s here and daily prepared food costs add up quickly too. Had he stayed in Europe, that’s all money that could have been paid back to you. It doesn’t sound like he’s going to be able to hold a job so when he spends money it’s not getting replaced in a profitable way. I hope you get mad enough and tough enough to break away from him. You have already done more for him than 99.7% of ex’s would do even for the parent of their children. That is a good point.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 5, 2019 20:20:50 GMT
Not your circus...not your monkey. 🤷♀️ This. Op, I think you are kind-hearted and are wanting to help because he is the father of your children. But he isn't your responsibility. You have a lot on your plate. Take care of you right now.
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Post by birukitty on Mar 5, 2019 20:38:36 GMT
I think you are an incredibly loving giving person who is being manipulated by her ex. Manipulation that gives him what he wants and gives you nothing but problems and work. And now it's happening all over again! The only way for you to stop this is to set up boundaries. Severe boundaries. This is my advice.
* If your children are all over the age of 18 stop all phone contact. * Don't ever pick him up at the airport again, let him into your house or let him sit on your new sofa! *Repeat this daily to yourself "He is my ex! He is no longer my responsibility!" over and over until you really believe it inside. *Let an attorney deal with the money your ex owes or if that isn't possible due to the international situation if it were me I'd kiss it good-bye just to be free of that ex.
I recommend the book "Boundaries" by Henry Cloud and John Townsend. I haven't read it myself but a Pea recommended it last week.
Your ex is no longer your responsibility. You are no longer married. He is his family's responsibility. The fact that he came back should be a sign to you that he thinks he can manipulate you to take him in, and take care of him. Already he's gotten you to let him into your house, right? He's weaseling his way back. There is no way to stop this except for you to recognize it for what it is and to put your foot down hard!
I'll tell you the story of my sister J. I'm the oldest of 4 kids, and J was born 18 months after I was. You'd think we were close but in fact we never were-we were opposites in every way. She quickly outgrew me in height and was known as a bully when we were children. When the youngest, my dear sister S was learning to walk she'd push her down. J grew up being manipulative. She has become a master of the art. She does it to my parents to this day and is the worst with my father. I adore my parents so this drives me up the wall. A few years ago my father and I were helping J move and all of a sudden I realized my father and I were lifting the heavy boxes while J stood there ordering us around. All of a sudden something clicked in my brain. I said, "F*ck this Sh*t! We're doing all of the heavy lifting and you're standing there like a queen ordering us around", even though I'd never said the F word in front of my father. I told her that I'd had enough of her manipulating me and my parents and until she could treat me with respect I was out of her life! I walked out of her house and we didn't speak for 2 years.
She finally emailed me and apologized and we have had the best relationship since then. She's my sister, not my ex, so I can't cut her out completely forever. She hasn't tried once since then to take advantage of me and is very kind (shocker!) instead. It is like having a completely different person than J as my sister. But then we've always heard from her friends how nice and kind she can be. Go figure.
So, for you I think especially since he is your ex that putting your foot down, saying "No"-which by the way is a complete sentence, will be in your best interest. I can understand why your son was upset that you picked up your ex at the airport. It's the same feeling I feel when my father (who's still working full-time at the age of 79) is manipulated into doing extra work for J she should be paying someone to do. Your son probably felt, "Oh no, here we go again"
I truly wish you the very best. You've had a lot to deal with between your recent flood and now this. Do yourself (and your kids) a favor. Really think about setting up some severe boundaries and start telling your ex "No".
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Post by twinks on Mar 5, 2019 20:42:00 GMT
I would be taking my clues from my children. He didn't want to see your DD and then your DS told you not to go pick him up from the airport. Obviously he doesn't want to see him. Him staying at your house while your DS sleeps speaks volumes to me. I would stop and think about your actions maybe alienating your children. I wouldn't be surprised if you DS doesn't go back to school sooner than planned. Cut the ties with him so that your children can establish whatever relationship they can have/not have with their father. As long as you are enabling EXDH, you are in the way of them doing that.
You stated that he owes you a lot of money. Owes is the operative word here because it sounds like you aren't currently getting any $ from him. What makes you think that you will? Are you able to survive without the money now? If I were you, I would either consult with an attorney or forget about ever getting the money.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Mar 5, 2019 20:51:06 GMT
I wonder why you are still under the impression that you will get your money. I'm guessing that ship has sailed. But, if you are convinced it hasn't, hire an attorney and get your money. Quick dicking around.
If he's functional enough to plan and implement an international trip, he's in good enough shape to take care of himself. You seem to have a martyr complex. Or something. Good luck, and set some boundaries.
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Post by azredhead on Mar 5, 2019 20:55:15 GMT
Oy so sorry so stressfull-- sounds like you need to let a lot more out in more ways than one. But I know easier said than done.
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Post by bethany102399 on Mar 5, 2019 21:07:21 GMT
I'm sorry, but I agree with the others. Get a lawyer to get the money, but if he can't hold a job I have serious doubts about him being able to pay you. This is not your responsibility, but as long as you make it yours he will take advantage of that.
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Post by imsirius on Mar 5, 2019 21:07:54 GMT
I agree..you are allowing him to run your life when he chooses.
If he can fly, he can figure out a place to stay. If he gets in trouble while here, don't help. He is a grown man who I believe is playing you for your kindness. He knows you will jump to help him.
Get a lawyer, get the money wired to you through the lawyer and change your number. You are NOT responsible or him. He is playing you like a fiddle.
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Post by GiantsFan on Mar 5, 2019 22:19:34 GMT
You are a better person than me.
Do not let him back in your house. Change the locks. Tell your kids that it's your home and you don't want him there. If they want to visit with him they can meet him at his hotel or Starbucks.
Honestly you probably will not get any money from him. Just write it off and not think about it.
Be done with him.
He is not your responsibility.
Repeat all of the above six times.
ETA: If the rest wasn't enough...the whole letting the dogs out thing. Un-excusable! Deal-breaker! Go away and don't come back!
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Post by piebaker on Mar 5, 2019 23:27:38 GMT
There must be more to the story with yr ex-MIL. He probably had a huge fight with her and left because she wouldn't take his attitude/antics.
Let an attorney handle the support/money issue. You must distance yourself from him because you are the person being emotionally abused.
Wishing you the best.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Mar 6, 2019 5:27:15 GMT
Noooooooooo!!!! Not the NEW COUCH!
He needs to gtfo ASAP.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Mar 6, 2019 6:29:17 GMT
Cut him off at the ankles.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 6, 2019 13:12:27 GMT
I have to go to work, but I will respond to more specific questions on my break.
But here is what I tell my kids when they see someone do something bad or even do something less than stellar themselves: Is that the kind of a person you want to be?
The kind of person I want to be is someone who is kind and lives by my own set of ethics and still realizes it totally sucks to have had a stroke and realize your life is not all that. I do NOT want to be someone who is walked all over and I'm trying to walk that fine line between that and being the kind of human being I want to be.
more on my break in a few hours...
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Post by gar on Mar 6, 2019 13:27:51 GMT
I have to go to work, but I will respond to more specific questions on my break. But here is what I tell my kids when they see someone do something bad or even do something less than stellar themselves: Is that the kind of a person you want to be? The kind of person I want to be is someone who is kind and lives by my own set of ethics and still realizes it totally sucks to have had a stroke and realize your life is not all that. I do NOT want to be someone who is walked all over and I'm trying to walk that fine line between that and being the kind of human being I want to be. That's lovely - BUT it does not mean you can't have boundaries! The two are not mutually exclusive. Boundaries don't mean you're unkind. And your 'kids' are pretty big now aren't they, older teens maybe? I'm sure you've taught them great lessons all their lives...that doesn't need to be your main focus any more. They will have formed their basic opinions and values and ethics by now. Let them see you standing up for yourself, valuing yourself, setting healthy boundaries. I get that it's a fine line but really, it's time.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 6, 2019 13:52:56 GMT
Look if you truly feel you need to provide some care for your ex, help him find a permanent place to live. Get him set up in a small apartment, get it safely furnished, make sure he’s got utilities and bills set up, perhaps a visiting nurse/meals on wheels or adult day place to visit a couple of times a week etc., then you can stop engaging with him in crises mode because there won’t be any.
As long as he’s unstable and bouncing between mom and air b n b and you, and because of your kids you don’t want to cut him off, you’re going to get sucked in. He either lives with you or you help set him up somewhere for permanent success. Or your kids take on the burden.
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Post by LisaDV on Mar 6, 2019 14:03:37 GMT
(yes, I did put my foot down about him staying with me YAY! he stayed at my house last night. You are way too nice! and the poor new couch... He is back at Airbnb tonight YAY! Make that happen! Not your problem. Even your kids say this isn't your problem, that says something. Please try not to let him stay with you again. He will continue to take advantage of you as long as you let him. Regardless of what you decide, I'll just send you super big (((Hugs))) to help you through this next patch.
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Post by seaexplore on Mar 6, 2019 14:40:28 GMT
Dump him at the curb. Change your phone number. Do not allow him in your house. Cut him out of your life like a tumor that is killing you. He’s not going to change and will continue walking all over you because you are a very kind person. Be tough and do it!
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Post by kibblesandbits on Mar 6, 2019 14:41:33 GMT
I have to go to work, but I will respond to more specific questions on my break. But here is what I tell my kids when they see someone do something bad or even do something less than stellar themselves: Is that the kind of a person you want to be? The kind of person I want to be is someone who is kind and lives by my own set of ethics and still realizes it totally sucks to have had a stroke and realize your life is not all that. I do NOT want to be someone who is walked all over and I'm trying to walk that fine line between that and being the kind of human being I want to be. more on my break in a few hours... Being this kind of person, but endlessly bitching about it, kind of negates your ideals.
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Post by hdoublej on Mar 6, 2019 15:57:56 GMT
That's a difficult position to be in. I've followed your story and I can say that you have definitely gone above and beyond to help him. I completely understand you wanting to help him. This is a man you've shared your life with, have children with and I'm sure at one point loved very much. Sometimes those emotions just don't go away completely, even if they are mixed with a little animosity. You have a very kind heart! It's a fine line to walk between helping and enabling. He did make his own arrangements to come back to the states without any one knowing so I'm guessing that he is a little bit more able than he is leading you to believe.
You've gotten some harsh words here. We are told that this is the place we can come and vent when needed and that we should use each other to let out feelings that we wouldn't necessarily put out there in our real lives. Which is what you did here and in doing so, some responses are harsh and don't show much empathy. I'm not trying to "hand slap", it's just an observation that makes me a little sad because this is supposed to be our safe place to vent. ((hugs))
You are the only one that can know what is best in this situation. Just please make sure that you are doing what is right for yourself too. Take care of you!
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Post by twinks on Mar 6, 2019 16:13:21 GMT
I think one of the reasons you come here to vent about the situation is that you know that you are being taken advantage of and it bothers you.
Being kind doesn't mean that you are a doormat. Being kind also applies to being kind with yourself.
You can kindly help your ex be as successful as he can by stopping to allow him and take advantage of you. If he wants to stay stateside, then help him find an apartment, have a friend or someone help him with his budget and money. Help him figure out meals, grocery shopping, etc. on his own. If he isn't able to do that then maybe he needs to look at some kind of assisted living situation. There are different levels. Some have individual "apartments" but they go to a common room everyday for meals and activities. They have staff to help with various tasks and they also can take them to the doctor appointments. I think it is time for your children and him to discuss what and where they go from here. You can be a part of the discussion, but, it is ultimately not your problem.
Hugs to you.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 6, 2019 16:15:45 GMT
It seems like your actions are coming less from a place of kindness and more from guilt. You were so relieved to get out of the marriage, and you have happy days in front of you. What does he have? A stroke. Now you are eternally trapped in what you tried to escape.
I think if there were any signs from him that he is attempting to live independently from you, it would be easier to offer him some kindness and then move on, but what is building here is guilt, then obligation, then dependence, then resentment.
The kind thing to do for both of you and your children is to encourage him to figure out how to live independently from you. Take him to the Medicaid office, take him to different support centers, but only once.
Saddling him up on your back isn’t kindness, it’s obligation. I think about what I would do if I were in your situation. My ex and I just divorced after 25 years. We don’t have any family here, and if he had a stroke, I could definitely see me wanting to not leave him in the cold and I’d help at first.
But if the man MOVED to Europe successfully and then ended up back at my door, I’d see that bullshit for what it was, which is just a mirror of our whole relationship where I held up everything always for everyone forever all by myself, and that he needed to learn some life lessons, stroke or no.
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Post by likescarrots on Mar 6, 2019 18:50:20 GMT
She is not a martyr, she is trying to protect her children from him. They are not old enough to deal with him Honestly move. Once his base is gone he won’t bother you as much. it sounds like her children don't need protection. Her own son told her not to pick up his father from the airport. It sounds like they are the ones trying to protect her.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 6, 2019 18:51:03 GMT
Want to get really mad? The money he is using to pay for international travel and weeks of Airb&b is money he is stealing from you and your kids. Sounds like he rented a car or paid for an Uber or something too. I’d venture to say at minimum he will spend near to $5000 on his little holiday to the US. Doesn’t sound like he’ll be eating peanut butter and jelly while he’s here and daily prepared food costs add up quickly too. Had he stayed in Europe, that’s all money that could have been paid back to you. It doesn’t sound like he’s going to be able to hold a job so when he spends money it’s not getting replaced in a profitable way. I hope you get mad enough and tough enough to break away from him. You have already done more for him than 99.7% of ex’s would do even for the parent of their children. Okay - So I'm going to try to answer some questions here. He used points to fly. Airbnb will cost, but way less than rental. He chose a very inexpensive one. VERY inexpensive. He also drives and is a minimalist eater. I'd venture to guess that his food costs will be under $200/mo and his rental is about $600. Did I mention he is Swiss? He is a good penny-pincher. I'm thinking you sort of enjoy the savior/martyr role or you'd stop worrying about him, picking him up at the airport, texting him, or letting him stay at your house or sit on your couch. No. I'm not sure what to add here. Just no. But you aren't done. You are going to keep finding yourself in these situations again and again and again. He is not going to change. You have to stop running to his rescue. Ask yourself why you keep running in to save the day. What do you get out of it? You must be getting something out of it otherwise you'd change your behavior. Especially if you truly were as fed up as you like to complain you are. He is your ex. You are not responsible for him. Stop enabling him. To be fair, this is the second time and I do hope he's going to change. Prior to his stroke we did not have much contact outside of kid stuff. In addition, I have made changes. I haven't taken him in (outside the one night) and I picked him up at the airport. I would even do that for you if you gave me a little notice. I might be cranky about that, too, though This. Op, I think you are kind-hearted and are wanting to help because he is the father of your children. But he isn't your responsibility. You have a lot on your plate. Take care of you right now.  Thank you. birukitty - it was a lot to quote, but thank you. As I have said, I think that I am establishing boundaries at this point. I am happy you have found peace with your sister. I agree with you that my ex has been manipulative in the past. He is also seriously suffering right now. I try to separate out those two things. It is sickening to see him so lost. I wonder why you are still under the impression that you will get your money. I'm guessing that ship has sailed. But, if you are convinced it hasn't, hire an attorney and get your money. Quick dicking around. If he's functional enough to plan and implement an international trip, he's in good enough shape to take care of himself. You seem to have a martyr complex. Or something. Good luck, and set some boundaries. To you and twinks - I will get my money, but he's also paying for half of my 3 kids in college and that is NOT in the divorce decree. It is worth it to me to be nice about things (no lawyer) for this reason. I don't believe I have a martyr complex. I'm sorry it appears that way. It's always hard to get across everything. But who knows? I grew up Catholic and we have a lot of guilt. So I would agree I have a guilt complex for sure. I'd hate to think - really - that it went all the way to martyr. There must be more to the story with yr ex-MIL. He probably had a huge fight with her and left because she wouldn't take his attitude/antics. Let an attorney handle the support/money issue. You must distance yourself from him because you are the person being emotionally abused. Wishing you the best. Haha.No. I love my MIL and get along great with my in-laws (barring my BIL for the moment, but otherwise always have). My ex has a lot of problems with decisions now because of his stroke - he had aphasia and the logic/decision making part of your brain is right next to your speaking part. My MIL did not want him to leave. His brother did, though. In any case, my ex had to come back for his next round of doctors' appointments at the end of this month. Being this kind of person, but endlessly bitching about it, kind of negates your ideals. Well, now, you're just a little bit mean, aren't you? Venting on an anonymous message board is hardly "endlessly bitching." It saves me from doing it IRL. And, as we all know, you can block me or scroll on by. This is a stressful situation and as much as anyone wants to say they'd wash their hands from an ex, I think many people would do more than they say they would, particularly when there is a lot of money involved. I'm doing the best I can while still trying hard to be the person I want to be. I do not always succeed in that. I wish I did, but I don't. And the good news for me is that he is not in my house and not on my couch
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Post by kibblesandbits on Mar 6, 2019 19:02:52 GMT
Hardly mean - you "vented" (let's use your word - guess it sounds better than bitching, doesn't it? same thing tho) about this guy on the weekly when he was staying with you. Just saying. If you want to be Mother Theresa, go for it. But she didn't "vent". She just did.
How is this guy paying for college and stuff if he's not working?
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