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Post by flanz on Mar 10, 2019 21:54:05 GMT
Do you mind sharing what it is? Something I noticed about myself that I wanted to change was that when I was younger, I felt the need to comment or add something to conversations no matter what. Sometimes I inadvertently derailed the topic because I was so focused on my story. I started just holding it in telling myself "it's probably selfishisly motivated to think your comment is that important when it adds nothing to the speaker's topic" when I'd stop to think about it. So now I just think my thought and try harder at listening to the person speaking because listening is often better than trying to relate. me too! i'm much better now as I remind myself to listen and allow others to speak and be heard. <3
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Post by flanz on Mar 10, 2019 21:58:09 GMT
I’m an interrupter. I don’t want to be and I’ve tried to stop... but I still do it on occasion. I've worked on this for some time and finally feel a lot better about letting others speak without my interruptions. Like you, it sometimes still happens, and it bugs me when I notice I've done it. I quickly apologize.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 10, 2019 22:03:17 GMT
DSO and his mum are arguers. After many years together it has rubbed off on me, unfortunately. It absolutely bugs the everloving crap out of me when DSO argues, so it's extra annoying that now I do it too. It's like I just have to be right, and it's really hard to keep my mouth shut - sometimes I feel like my head is going to explode if I don't say anything. But I'm working on it. I just keep telling myself that in the whole scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if so-and-so says this, but I actually know it's that. The other person isn't even going to remember the specific argument in a week, but they will likely remember being annoyed at me. Unfortunately the argumentativeness has also rubbed off on DS, but that kid has taken it to w whole new level.
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Post by purplebee on Mar 11, 2019 0:07:20 GMT
DSO and his mum are arguers. After many years together it has rubbed off on me, unfortunately. It absolutely bugs the everloving crap out of me when DSO argues, so it's extra annoying that now I do it too. It's like I just have to be right, and it's really hard to keep my mouth shut - sometimes I feel like my head is going to explode if I don't say anything. But I'm working on it. I just keep telling myself that in the whole scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if so-and-so says this, but I actually know it's that. The other person isn't even going to remember the specific argument in a week, but they will likely remember being annoyed at me. Unfortunately the argumentativeness has also rubbed off on DS, but that kid has taken it to w whole new level. I feel your pain. Dh and family are loud, and argue. I come from a quiet, low key family who never yells. After almost 47 years of marriage, guess what. I find myself arguing and raising my voice a lot more than I want, and I get upset with myself for reacting this way. Am working on it, but it's hard! And Ds 23 is exactly like his Dad, so I feel like I am fighting a losing battle...
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Post by scrapmaven on Mar 11, 2019 1:19:31 GMT
Crying. Everything makes me cry and even though I try I cannot control or stop the tears. If I even read the word "cry" it can most times make me tear up. I know it's crazy but there it is. You and I should find a gray area. I cannot cry at all and it's a healthy release. When my mother died I cried at one point during the funeral for a minute and that was it. It was a devastating and horrible time and I couldn't cry. I just cannot do it and that's not healthy.
Now I'm going to be a hypocrite and give advice. If it's something that really interferes w/your life therapy can really help.
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Post by cindytred on Mar 11, 2019 2:09:15 GMT
Crying. Everything makes me cry and even though I try I cannot control or stop the tears. If I even read the word "cry" it can most times make me tear up. I know it's crazy but there it is. I'm exactly the same way. My emotions control me. Cindy
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Post by cindytred on Mar 11, 2019 2:17:32 GMT
Because I'm perfect, I can't answer from personal experience. Lol Dh is the master of this game. If there is something he doesn't like, or wants to tweak, he finds someone with the desired trait and studies them until he can emulate what they do. It would be nice if he checked in with me before making changes, because he is not always on the money as far as what needs to change. So he doesn't really have a strong personal identity? Fascinating that he is still changing and trying to emulate others. Like a chameleon. That sounds like adolescent behavior. I know that sounds rude but I'm honestly not intending it that way. I'm just finding it interesting from a psychological standpoint because I would think he'd be pretty much set in his own personality by now. I don't see anything weird about this. I'm 59 years old and I'm still working on myself. I know what my flaws are and I don't like them. I think they effect my relationships. I am trying to be a better person. And one of my go to's when I'm up against an uncomfortable situation is to think, "How would ______ handle this?" I insert the name of someone with good sense on whatever the situation may be. I think we can always improve - at least I can!
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Post by stampinfraulein on Mar 11, 2019 2:47:32 GMT
I am a perfectionist and I prefer to do things myself because then I know they will get done the way I want! I have realized that I have difficulty trusting others and I maybe have a problem with needing control, so I totally understand where you are coming from, OP. I am also afraid of failure, and an all-or-nothing personality--why try something if I can't be perfect at it? Why set goals because I'll probably just fail. I know there is a lot of pop psychology these days talking about the value of failure and how it's such a great thing to fail and I absolutely cannot wrap my brain around that concept. To me, failure is BAD. Period. There's nothing good out of it whatsoever.
All of this and other parts of my personality and my life situation have all sort of come crashing down on my head and I had a complete and total screaming and sobbing meltdown last week in front of DH. I am seeing a therapist for the first time in my life on Tuesday and I'm actually really excited! I've actually been thinking of starting therapy for almost 2 years now but haven't gone further because I am so afraid that it will be too hard to find the right therapist. I'm afraid that I will use up all the visits my insurance will pay for just trying to find the right person (there are 649 possible therapists listed on my insurance's approved provider list, and I'm totally overwhelmed at how to choose). So I have coped with that fear of failure by just not doing anything at all! You see the problem, right?
I know the way I am thinking is not healthy and it isn't serving me well. I realized last week that I am exhausted by hating myself, by being dissatisfied with myself, by wanting to change but never being able to follow through, with hating my body, with not trusting...I'm just plain worn out. I very much dislike the person I have become. I don't feel like myself, who I used to be and who I WANT to be. I am going to therapy because I need to learn new ways to think and cope. I don't think there is anything medically wrong with me, I think I have gotten into some really bad, destructive thought patterns and I just can't find a way out even though I have tried and tried on my own. I have high hopes that I can change but I just need help doing it. I think that you also can change!
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Post by cindytred on Mar 11, 2019 16:04:01 GMT
I am a perfectionist and I prefer to do things myself because then I know they will get done the way I want! I have realized that I have difficulty trusting others and I maybe have a problem with needing control, so I totally understand where you are coming from, OP. I am also afraid of failure, and an all-or-nothing personality--why try something if I can't be perfect at it? Why set goals because I'll probably just fail. I know there is a lot of pop psychology these days talking about the value of failure and how it's such a great thing to fail and I absolutely cannot wrap my brain around that concept. To me, failure is BAD. Period. There's nothing good out of it whatsoever. All of this and other parts of my personality and my life situation have all sort of come crashing down on my head and I had a complete and total screaming and sobbing meltdown last week in front of DH. I am seeing a therapist for the first time in my life on Tuesday and I'm actually really excited! I've actually been thinking of starting therapy for almost 2 years now but haven't gone further because I am so afraid that it will be too hard to find the right therapist. I'm afraid that I will use up all the visits my insurance will pay for just trying to find the right person (there are 649 possible therapists listed on my insurance's approved provider list, and I'm totally overwhelmed at how to choose). So I have coped with that fear of failure by just not doing anything at all! You see the problem, right? I know the way I am thinking is not healthy and it isn't serving me well. I realized last week that I am exhausted by hating myself, by being dissatisfied with myself, by wanting to change but never being able to follow through, with hating my body, with not trusting...I'm just plain worn out. I very much dislike the person I have become. I don't feel like myself, who I used to be and who I WANT to be. I am going to therapy because I need to learn new ways to think and cope. I don't think there is anything medically wrong with me, I think I have gotten into some really bad, destructive thought patterns and I just can't find a way out even though I have tried and tried on my own. I have high hopes that I can change but I just need help doing it. I think that you also can change! I'm sorry you are having a hard time. I understand because I am too. I'm going through a divorce after 33 years of marriage, can't get a job, have lost all my self-confidence and just don't like myself or my life. I have been listening to Dr. Phil's podcast called "Living By Design" and following along with the steps he suggests to live an authentic life. I have found this to be very helpful and inspiring. Also, I spent about 8 hours stuck in the car the other day listening to Dr. Laura and heard several callers say that they get very frustrated with themselves and their need to be perfect and the frustration they feel when something doesn't work right. Dr. Laura said this is because one of the parents had expected perfection and withheld affection if the child wasn't perfect at all times. That seems like too easy of an answer - but it makes sense. She told one man to go to his wife and ask for a hug when he felt frustrated about something not working right. She told the other man to cry when he was struggling. (I swear this guy sounded just like Dax_Shepard.) I am also reading Best Life by Mike Bayer. This is a great book that is helping me to understand myself better. As far as finding a good therapist goes - I totally understand. I have been to two - the first one only once because she was too gruff and didn't give me the sympathy I was looking for. The second one was a great listener and sympathy giver, but didn't help me figure anything out. I should have stuck with the first one. Cindy
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Mar 11, 2019 16:43:14 GMT
Also, I spent about 8 hours stuck in the car the other day listening to Dr. Laura and heard several callers say that they get very frustrated with themselves and their need to be perfect and the frustration they feel when something doesn't work right. Dr. Laura said this is because one of the parents had expected perfection and withheld affection if the child wasn't perfect at all times. That seems like too easy of an answer - but it makes sense. This may be true for those who self-hate or have lots of negative emotions tied to their motives, but for me this isn't true at all. My parents both loved me very much and offered lots of praise for effort. My drive for perfection was simply for self satisfaction. That was one aspect of the book The Gifts of Imperfection I couldn't relate to at all. I didn't hate myself or feel judged if I didn't do something right, and I didn't do things for recognition or praise, I just wasn't satisfied if it was wrong. I think my drive may have come from having a fair amount of things in my childhood not go the way they should have; things I had to stand by and just watch crash and burn without any way to help change the outcome. I became a little analytical in my approach to a lot of things as a way to circumvent potential problems. Doing things the "right" way always had the most favorable outcomes, so naturally I wanted to do it more. Except I started applying it to everything, including things that just didn't matter, like hanging a picture or Martha's bowl example. I didn't realize doing too much in the "right" way could affect people until my example I posted on the first page. I guess when I write that all out, it was about control for me. Not control of others, but control of my own outcomes.
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Post by julieb on Mar 11, 2019 16:54:42 GMT
Do you mind sharing what it is? Control freak. I feel like I have to have input on everything. In my defense (eyeroll...see?!!), I'm the oldest and run things at home so I tend to want to just do it instead of letting others run the show. I just have a hard time letting go and rolling with it. This is me. I had a breakdown last month. Something happened that was out of my control, that was very minor, but it was scary. I am seeing a therapist, which is helping me. I started a positivity planner and write gratitudes in there, also started meditating. Very helpful in staying in the present with mindfulness and not thinking too far ahead on what I can control and can't control.
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Post by cindytred on Mar 11, 2019 17:15:12 GMT
Also, I spent about 8 hours stuck in the car the other day listening to Dr. Laura and heard several callers say that they get very frustrated with themselves and their need to be perfect and the frustration they feel when something doesn't work right. Dr. Laura said this is because one of the parents had expected perfection and withheld affection if the child wasn't perfect at all times. That seems like too easy of an answer - but it makes sense. This may be true for those who self-hate or have lots of negative emotions tied to their motives, but for me this isn't true at all. My parents both loved me very much and offered lots of praise for effort. My drive for perfection was simply for self satisfaction. That was one aspect of the book The Gifts of Imperfection I couldn't relate to at all. I didn't hate myself or feel judged if I didn't do something right, and I didn't do things for recognition or praise, I just wasn't satisfied if it was wrong. I think my drive may have come from having a fair amount of things in my childhood not go the way they should have; things I had to stand by and just watch crash and burn without any way to help change the outcome. I became a little analytical in my approach to a lot of things as a way to circumvent potential problems. Doing things the "right" way always had the most favorable outcomes, so naturally I wanted to do it more. Except I started applying it to everything, including things that just didn't matter, like hanging a picture or Martha's bowl example. I didn't realize doing too much in the "right" way could affect people until my example I posted on the first page. I guess when I write that all out, it was about control for me. Not control of others, but control of my own outcomes. I am glad that your need for perfection isn't from negative parental influences. My own daughter is a perfectionist and has a need to be in control, and I hope that does not come from negative influences from her childhood. Of course, someone cannot be analyzed and fully understood in a 3 minute telephone conversation (Dr. Laura). I applaud anyone who is self-aware and cares about how they effect people around them. My STBXH and I had a conversation about a book he is reading that is about living your best life (not the same book I'm reading) and he shared something he read that was a light bulb moment for him: two people can be doing the same thing in the same moment and not feel the same way about it. He acted like he had discovered the cure for cancer - he was so proud of himself. LOL! I am flabbergasted at his lack of self-reflection and empathy for others. This is why our marriage failed.
I find psychology and understanding ourselves to be a fascinating topic.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 11, 2019 17:39:29 GMT
Do you mind sharing what it is? Control freak. I feel like I have to have input on everything. In my defense (eyeroll...see?!!), I'm the oldest and run things at home so I tend to want to just do it instead of letting others run the show. I just have a hard time letting go and rolling with it. are we twins? i was going to say control freak too. i'm the oldest and my parents put the responsibility on me and i have never taken it off myself. i would like to say that i'm learning to pick and choose my battles (my turn for an eyeroll) but i would rather pre-empt than deal with the damage. my dad, the most laid back person in the world and the polar opposite of me, said "don't worry so much. just deal with things as they come". you mean wait for the disaster to happen? i think not. good day, sir. i said, good day. LOL
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Post by mustlovecats on Mar 11, 2019 17:48:27 GMT
I am kind of judgey and bitchy inside and I’m working hard to change that. My coworkers think I am just mary sunshine all the time, and I’m glad they see that on the outside but I want that to be my attitude all the time and I want to be gentler inside. I’ve been working on this for maybe 10-12 years now. I think it’s a lifelong process.
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Post by needmysanity on Mar 11, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
I have a couple people who I have asked to help me be accountable. One is my best friend and one is my boss. When they see the characteristics come out that I'm trying to correct they know they can say something to me about it. We have an agreement that I won't get mad at them so it's a safe place for them to say something. It's working rather well for me and I have even asked my boss to help with me with another annoying trait. I appreciate having that open honest accountability.
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Post by SnoopyFan on Mar 11, 2019 18:37:49 GMT
I used to be like that. It wasn't really about control for me, I just thought I was striving for the best for myself or helping others get close to the best, and who doesn't like perfect or best? (Laugh) I thought I was good at hiding my thoughts of where others were 'wrong,' but I wasn't. I decided to try and change when I started to notice people would be apprehensive to help with something because they felt judged. But I never voiced judgment? I never realized me striving to do something the best way made other people feel uncomfortable, judged, or not as good. But in hindsight when you spend an above-average amount of time straightening something that only you see a flaw with, people start to wonder if you see them as flawed, too. "You must think my house is a dump then" for example. This was really driven home when I saw Martha Stewart make cake or something with a guest star. They each had their own mixer, and Martha carefully scraped her own bowl perfectly clean. The guest was enjoying herself chatting, doing a fine job scraping her bowl, and then Martha just stepped over and just kinda took the bowl and did it for her. The guest uncomfortably laughed interupting her story, and you could see in her face she felt kinda dumb, and it struck me that Martha was more concerned about doing the bowl right than the fun story and company of her guest. It made me wonder, is this how I come across? Am I more worried about a bowl than my family and friends? I bought a book called The Gifts of Imperfection. It's been years since I read it, and while it wasn't some major enlightenment or anything, it helped. For me, I started letting a lot of things go that would ordinarily eat at me. For example, I stopped measuring the alignment in my scrapbooking and just eyed it. If it wasn't perfect, I chose to let it go. It was painful. But over time I realized I'd forgotten about it and nothing changed. I even went back after the feeling passed and didn't see flaws. If I wrote a letter and misspelled, I just crossed out and wrote again. I mailed it anyway instead of writing it multiple times. Start allowing flaws. That frustrated can't-stop-thinking-about-it feeling is something you'll have to get used to. Eventually it stops. Thank you for sharing this story. I read it thinking, oops, I'm a Martha. And I do it kinda without even thinking about it. And at work, I want to chew my arm off when I see something being done that's "not exactly" the way I'd do it. I really need to work on this.  I, too, am a Martha. As I was reading this post by PrettyInPeank I was nodding my head because I could see myself in it. There are several new people in my department at work. They are driving me crazy because they are not doing things the "right way" (my way). I'm struggling because I JUST WANT THEM TO DO IT RIGHT. AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH. They are messy. I am a perfectionist. It's hard. I am also an interrupter. I'm working on that.
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Post by newfcathy on Mar 11, 2019 19:26:07 GMT
Kudo’s to everyone striving to overcome bad habits & the pleasant exchange of differences that were so amicably resolved earlier on this thread. Such a positive example!!!!
The control freak thing....
I was a nagger, then I decided that the constant nagging wasn’t going to make my soon-to-be dh go to the dentist. So I stopped, I continued to go regularly, then dh had his ‘aha’ moment, when Sudafed wasn’t helping his face/sinus pain. He started going to my dentist (he had a quack dentist as a kid) & started to feel better.
He eventually needed gum surgery but he has continued to go without any reminders from me.
I am also an interrupter & listen more to relate than to truly listen but I am trying to change, even though I am now, gasp, 60.
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