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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 20:33:07 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Wisconsin voters who supported Barack Obama in 2012 and then Donald Trump in 2016 are sick of the president, saying in a focus group that they're getting tired of his "lies" and the way he treats people.”
From the article..
“Wisconsin swing voters tire of Trump”
”APPLETON, Wis. — Voters who supported Barack Obama in 2012 and then Donald Trump in 2016 are sick of Trump, saying in a focus group here that they're getting tired of his "lies" and the way he treats people.
Why it matters: Trump barely won Wisconsin, where he got roughly 22,000 more votes than Hillary Clinton, and these swing voters were decisive. If he's losing them, it will be harder to win the state again with just his base supporters.
This was the biggest takeaway from the focus group of swing voters I watched last week, conducted by the research firms Engagious and Focus Pointe Global. The group included eight Obama/Trump voters and four Mitt Romney/Hillary Clinton voters.
Be smart: Their unhappiness with Trump reveals a larger re-election problem for him: touting a strong economy and low unemployment numbers isn't cutting it anymore. It's not necessarily his politics that will be his downfall with these Obama/Trump and Romney/Clinton voters; it's his personality.
What they're saying: "I think he’s a dirty crook that lies, cheats, and steals when he can," said George Engelmann, a 49-year-old Obama/Trump voter. "There’s just a plethora of things that are still coming out."
Although Engelmann said there's nothing Trump has done politically that he disagrees with, "I will definitely take a chance [on a Democrat]" in 2020. "I don't think I'll vote for Trump again. I don't think he'll make it."
Adam K., a 47-year-old Obama/Trump voter, said he wishes Trump would own the things he's lied about. "He's been caught in a lot of lies. ... You know, just admit that you made a mistake and say 'I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.'"
Amanda S., a 39-year-old Obama/Trump voter, said: "He's getting stuff done, but he lies. I don't think he's a very good person, but he's getting stuff done, so it's hard."
He also hasn't convinced Lisa White, a 38-year-old Romney/Clinton voter, to come back to the GOP.
"He’s done a lot for jobs and the economy, but I’m all about the way people treat people," White said. "And if you’re going to be a jerk, then you kinda don’t need to be the face of America."
The backstory: These folks voted for Trump because they didn't like Clinton, they were single-issue voters in 2016 — on things like abortion — or they liked and believed in Trump's campaign promises.
Adam K. said he thinks Trump has accomplished a lot of good things politically, but it's harder to support him now because "there's more negativity, more solid evidence of a negative personality. I really wish we had a stronger third party that could actually have their hat in the ring."
"I didn't like Trump, like his TV shows and all that. I never liked him, but I just did really get the sense that he's going to get things done and I just like the straightforward approach that he had and still has."
— Allison B., a 36-year-old Obama/Trump voter Between the lines: While many of these voters are completely disenchanted with Trump, they're not excited about any of the Democratic candidates. The only Democrat they are excited about is Michelle Obama, and she's not running.
But the things they like about her highlight the qualities they're not seeing in Trump.
"She's honest. She has good morals. Her family has been raised properly. There's no hiding with them. You're not going to uncover some funny secret in the past. She is who she is and this is what you get," said White.
Others mentioned her values, and said she's optimistic and dynamic.
The bottom line: While politics certainly plays a role for these swing voters, Trump's personality seems to be getting in his own way — and they're less inclined to look the other way again in 2020.
Go deeper: Trump's 2020 map from hell”
trump’s personality was on full display before the election and yet they voted for him. Now it matters. Sorry, it should have mattered before the 2016 election.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 18, 2019 20:50:22 GMT
The Democrats have been put in a terrible position. Not only are they expected to appease all of the unhappy Republican and Independents, they run the risk of alienating liberals who are hungry for real progressive change, a candidate that they're passionate about. The Democrats have been trying to appeal to moderates for ages, running centrists for decades and Republicans don't vote for them. The Republican party has gone full-tilt right and the Democrats have shifted that way along with them. A course adjustment a bit left isn't necessarily extreme, especially when policy by policy, liberal policies are more popular. A few more left wing representatives aren't going to turn the country into Finland and it doesn't mean that more moderate Democrats are going to disappear. Democrats are expected to offer up THE magical candidate that will make EVERYONE happy and if they don't....then EVERYTHING will be their fault. AGAIN. ( the next two years may kill me ) Every once in a while it would be nice to hear a diatribe about how the Republicans need to get their party in line and appeal to the masses. Exactly! It doesn’t help that there are Democrats who are ripping apart the Democratic candidates too. Focus on the good, build them up. It’s not that hard. There isn’t and won’t be a perfect candidate. But by God almighty we cannot have another Trumpster Fire. I’m encouraged by the younger voters who are concerned about climate change and jobs in clean energy. These are the people that need “wooing” Fuck those who are going to vote trump or Republican to keep it the way it is (and on the way to worse). They need no attention or talking to—they are foolish thinking that they’re going to be glorified and given breaks. It’s all bullshit rhetoric and the opposite of what he says.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 18, 2019 21:05:18 GMT
I get that. When I talk about swinging far left, it is the all white men are bad. All white people suck. Men are bad. All minorities are good. All people who own guns are evil. All religions except Christianity are good. Christianity is only good at certain times and things. All rich people are greedy and should have to give up their money. All companies are greedy and need to have very strict regulations. Ranchers are inhumane and bad. Oil and gas industry is bad. Everybody should be 100% okay with everything right now. Those that don't agree with us are racist or sexist or whatever. The government should help everybody without regulation. We shouldn't ever elect a white male. That is what loses the middle. Do you know of a candidate who says these things? I don't. I have read a lot of Trumpers who SAY Democrats believe those things, but I've never heard a Democratic candidate espouse views anywhere close to that. I'm not sure how we can draw moderates if we're expected to overcome the beliefs of folks who listen to the right wing smear machine. This!!! It’s going to be a hard climb out of the propaganda machine that the Republicans are running. I mentioned this before on a separate thread—this is one area that Republicans are zooming in on and excel at—misinformation campaigns. Democrats don’t believe or do so much if what the Republicans are saying. It’s fucked up. But how to stop it. And I’m firmly against Bernie and he just needs to go the hell away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 21:21:06 GMT
linkNPR... Good luck with that. “Bernie Sanders Pledges To Do A Better Job Of Explaining Socialism”
From the article... “On the socialist label”
"I think what we have to do, and I will be doing it, is to do a better job maybe in explaining what we mean by socialism — democratic socialism. Obviously, my right-wing colleagues here want to paint that as authoritarianism and communism and Venezuela, and that's nonsense. "What I mean by democratic socialism is that I want a vibrant democracy. I find it interesting that people who criticize me are busy actively involved in voter suppression trying to keep people of color or low-income people from voting, because they don't want a vibrant democracy. I do. "Second of all, what it means, Rachel, is that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world we can provide a decent standard of living for all about people. That's just the reality. That's not Utopian dreaming; that is a reality. Health care for all can be done, and we can save money in doing it. We can have a minimum wage which is a living wage, and I'm delighted to see that, you know, right now, five states already passed $15 an hour minimum wage. The House of Representatives is gonna do it. We have got to do that." Republicans appear to be ramping up to make the term "socialism" one of their key weapons in the 2020 race. President Trump has repeatedly criticized socialism in his tweets and in speeches this year, and the term was repeatedly invoked at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC. The term "socialism" is polarizing in U.S. politics — a slight majority of Democrats, 57 percent, said they had a positive view of socialism (however they define it) as of August 2018, according to Gallup. In that poll, Democrats were slightly more likely to view socialism positively than capitalism (47 percent). Meanwhile, Republicans were far more likely to view capitalism positively (71 percent to socialism's 16 percent). Polls have also shown that socialism is particularly popular among younger voters. While Sanders' "socialist" brand may play well among primary voters, it could be tougher to sell among more moderate Democrats and centrist or right-leaning independent voters. A recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll provides some evidence of this: Only 25 percent of Americans said they'd be enthusiastic or comfortable voting for a socialist, while 72 percent said they had reservations or were uncomfortable with the idea.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 21:30:34 GMT
Also from the Sanders interview with NPR.. I’m not sure how I feel about this.
“On reparations”
“Martin: "Would you support a reparations plan designed specifically to narrow that gap?"
Sanders: "Yeah — but not if it means just a cash payment or a check to families. I would not support that. ... I am sympathetic to an idea brought forth by Congressman Jim Clyburn. ... And he has what he calls a 10-20-30 plan, which says that 10 percent of federal resources should go to communities that have had 20 percent levels of poverty for 30 years. In other words, the most distressed communities in America...."
Martin: "But is there something special unique and exceptional that needs to happen when we're talking about the sin of slavery?"
Sanders: "Well, you're right. The horrors of slavery all are horrors that are impacting African-Americans today. And it must be addressed. But I think if you're looking at the most distressed communities in this country, which is what Rep. Clyburn is talking about, unfortunately, they are often African-American communities, often Latino communities, sometimes white communities...."
Martin: "I'm sorry to interrupt you, but Ta-Nehisi Coates, who has kind of claimed credit for the current intellectual movement behind reparations, has called for a national reckoning — that it doesn't matter if the policies in practice actually do what you're talking about, there needs to be an emotional awakening."
Sanders: "I think that's a very good point. I think that many of us, obviously Caucasians, are not fully aware of the horrific impact not only impact, but it's almost the unspeakable reality of what slavery did to this country."
Sanders said he supports reparations, but the specific policy he describes here doesn't fit what experts say is the definition of such a policy. The 10-20-30 plan, for example, would likely disproportionately improve the lives of black Americans, who have higher rates of poverty than white Americans. But the point of reparations is to address the wrongs of discriminatory policies, including slavery, Jim Crow laws and redlining.
This plan does not specifically aim to boost black Americans affected by those policies, nor does it include an element of specifically addressing and healing from those policies.
Something that is economically inclusive but has a racial bent to it — those may or may not be good policies," Ohio State University professor Darrick Hamilton told NPR recently, "but let's be clear: It's not reparations."
Sanders did tell NPR he thinks white Americans need to be better educated about slavery. But he doesn't say it would be part of a specific reparations policy.”
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Post by hop2 on Mar 18, 2019 21:36:13 GMT
Do you know of a candidate who says these things? I don't. I have read a lot of Trumpers who SAY Democrats believe those things, but I've never heard a Democratic candidate espouse views anywhere close to that. I'm not sure how we can draw moderates if we're expected to overcome the beliefs of folks who listen to the right wing smear machine. This!!! It’s going to be a hard climb out of the propaganda machine that the Republicans are running. I mentioned this before on a separate thread—this is one area that Republicans are zooming in on and excel at—misinformation campaigns. Democrats don’t believe or do so much if what the Republicans are saying. It’s fucked up. But how to stop it. And I’m firmly against Bernie and he just needs to go the hell away. Yeah, I’m against Bernie BUT I’m a HELL NO to Trump so... there you have it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 22:09:05 GMT
link“ Department of Defense Fact Sheet on Section 2808 Funding Pool”On February 15, 2019, President Donald J. Trump declared a national emergency that requires the use of the armed forces and authorized the use of title 10, U.S. Code, section 2808. Determining Requirements To make decisions about the use of military construction funds, the Joint Staff and USNORTHCOM will examine a project list of specific border barrier construction projects provided by the Department of Homeland Security and will conduct a mission analysis on which border barrier projects would support the use of the armed forces. This analysis will help determine the border barrier projects the Department of Defense (DoD) might undertake and the level of funding required. Decisions have not yet been made concerning which border barrier projects will be funded through section 2808 authority. If the Department’s FY 2020 budget is enacted on time as requested, no military construction project used to source section 2808 projects would be delayed or cancelled. Identifying Sources of Funds To identify the potential pool of sources of military construction funds, DoD will apply the following criteria: • No military construction projects that already have been awarded, and no military construction projects with FY 2019 award dates will be impacted. • No military housing, barracks, or dormitory projects will be impacted. • The pool of potential military construction projects from which funding could be reallocated to support the construction of border barrier are solely projects with award dates after September 30, 2019. For comprehensiveness, attached is a complete pool of all projects that were unawarded as of December 31, 2018. Once the above criteria is applied, the pool has a total value that is in excess of the amount needed to source potential section 2808 projects. The appearance of any project within the pool does not mean that the project will, in fact, be used to source section 2808 projects.” This is all fine and dandy, only problem is there is no national emergency. I’m also guessing there is an actual need for the projects that will be furloughed to pay for trump’s bogus national emergency.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 22:41:19 GMT
trump...
”While the press doesn’t like writing about it, nor do I need them to, I donate my yearly Presidential salary of $400,000.00 to different agencies throughout the year, this to Homeland Security. If I didn’t do it there would be hell to pay from the FAKE NEWS MEDIA!”
He really doesn’t understand the word “donate” does he.
I really don’t care what he does with the salary. But if one is going to “donate” money why not “donate” to a charity that helps people instead of giving it to Federally Funded Department that has a budget of millions if not billions of dollars. Like $100,000 is going to mean anything.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2019 22:46:13 GMT
Kevin Kruse... ”The RNC Deputy Finance Chairman who's under investigation for money laundering is a different guy from the RNC Deputy Finance Chairman who pleaded guilty in a federal fraud case and they're both different from the RNC Finance Chairman who's accused of rape and sexual misconduct.” As someone noted, only the best people. I knew I knew one of the names............ This is from today: A sealed search warrant from July 2018.... included they could use Broidy's face and hands to open his safe etc!! This is from April 9, 2018:
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2019 22:59:55 GMT
This is all fine and dandy, only problem is there is no national emergency. I’m also guessing there is an actual need for the projects that will be furloughed to pay for trump’s bogus national emergency. There IS a need, that is why the House allocates to dollars in the budget!! ”While the press doesn’t like writing about it, nor do I need them to, I donate my yearly Presidential salary of $400,000.00 to different agencies throughout the year, this to Homeland Security. If I didn’t do it there would be hell to pay from the FAKE NEWS MEDIA!” I think the money says in the general fund. I don't think anyone can specify where the dollars go!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 2:32:51 GMT
Bernie Sanders...
“Unlike Trump, I did not come from a family that gave me a $200,000 allowance every single year starting at the age of 3. As I recall, my allowance was 25 cents a week.”
So who cares? I mean really, who cares?
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 19, 2019 3:11:39 GMT
Suspect in mob killing has MAGA written on his hand. a.msn.com/r/2/BBUW0pK?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShareThe man suspected of gunning down a New York City mob boss appeared in court Monday with the phrases "MAGA Forever" and "United We Stand MAGA" scrawled across his left hand. President Donald Trump's campaign slogan appeared on the hand of Anthony Comello, 24, at a hearing in Toms River, New Jersey, in which the suspect agreed to be extradited to New York. More at the link
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 19, 2019 4:20:00 GMT
This is all fine and dandy, only problem is there is no national emergency. I’m also guessing there is an actual need for the projects that will be furloughed to pay for trump’s bogus national emergency. There IS a need, that is why the House allocates to dollars in the budget!! ”While the press doesn’t like writing about it, nor do I need them to, I donate my yearly Presidential salary of $400,000.00 to different agencies throughout the year, this to Homeland Security. If I didn’t do it there would be hell to pay from the FAKE NEWS MEDIA!” I think the money says in the general fund. I don't think anyone can specify where the dollars go! it was my understanding that he actually has donated his salary to different charities, but yeah, I dont think you can give to homeland security
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 4:38:14 GMT
There IS a need, that is why the House allocates to dollars in the budget!!I think the money says in the general fund. I don't think anyone can specify where the dollars go! it was my understanding that he actually has donated his salary to different charities, but yeah, I dont think you can give to homeland security He posted a picture of the check and it’s clearly made out to HLS. So either he doesn’t know where the money is going or it’s a fake check and he’s keeping the money.
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Post by AmandaA on Mar 19, 2019 11:18:23 GMT
it was my understanding that he actually has donated his salary to different charities, but yeah, I dont think you can give to homeland security He posted a picture of the check and it’s clearly made out to HLS. So either he doesn’t know where the money is going or it’s a fake check and he’s keeping the money. I kinda figured one of those GIANT checks like they give lotto winners would be more his style given how much he loves getting recognized for things... like him standing down at the border with a border patrol agent posing with the giant check wearing one of those atrocious hats with a giant shit eating grin on his face and maybe a thumbs up for the camera.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 19, 2019 11:21:38 GMT
So when is the POTUS going to tour the Midwest flood damage?
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Post by pyccku on Mar 19, 2019 12:24:36 GMT
So when is the POTUS going to tour the Midwest flood damage? Whoa there...that would be too much! He already tossed a bunch of paper towels at Puerto Ricans, you can't possibly expect him to miss a day or two of golf and tweeting to visit the midwest.
Unless, of course, the fine people of Nebraska might care to hold a MAGA rally? He might be persuaded to come then. So long as they can send a few dollars to his re-election fund.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 12:41:16 GMT
"Civility in discourse from thee, not from me" - Jay Leno aka just another "do as I say, not as I do"-er
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Post by Merge on Mar 19, 2019 12:43:09 GMT
So when is the POTUS going to tour the Midwest flood damage? Whoa there...that would be too much! He already tossed a bunch of paper towels at Puerto Ricans, you can't possibly expect him to miss a day or two of golf and tweeting to visit the midwest.
Unless, of course, the fine people of Nebraska might care to hold a MAGA rally? He might be persuaded to come then. So long as they can send a few dollars to his re-election fund.
Nebraska - and I say this as someone who was born and raised there - is a red state full of white people who voted for him. I'm sure he'll be out as soon as they can be sure Melania's heels won't sink into the mud. (This is in no way to disparage the folks in Nebraska who are suffering right now. I've donated to flood relief there and I encourage others to do the same. Political differences have no place in this kind of disaster.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 13:00:28 GMT
I am disgusted for the children who grow up w/Trump as the example of what a President is. He has besmeared the office forever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 13:16:52 GMT
OMG - every day they find new ways to be slimy.
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Post by Merge on Mar 19, 2019 14:27:51 GMT
OMG - every day they find new ways to be slimy. Obv. this is where they start planning the coup to turn us into Gilead. 🙄
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2019 14:45:51 GMT
”APPLETON, Wis. — Voters who supported Barack Obama in 2012 and then Donald Trump in 2016 are sick of Trump, saying in a focus group here that they're getting tired of his "lies" and the way he treats people. Why it matters: Trump barely won Wisconsin, where he got roughly 22,000 more votes than Hillary Clinton, and these swing voters were decisive. If he's losing them, it will be harder to win the state again with just his base supporters. "The backstory: These folks voted for Trump because they didn't like Clinton, they were single-issue voters in 2016 — on things like abortion — or they liked and believed in Trump's campaign promises. Adam K. said he thinks Trump has accomplished a lot of good things politically, but it's harder to support him now because "there's more negativity, more solid evidence of a negative personality. I really wish we had a stronger third party that could actually have their hat in the ring." "I didn't like Trump, like his TV shows and all that. I never liked him, but I just did really get the sense that he's going to get things done and I just like the straightforward approach that he had and still has." trump’s personality was on full display before the election and yet they voted for him. Now it matters. Sorry, it should have mattered before the 2016 election. yeah, but isn't Wisconsin one of the states that was questionable which candidate it would go for, and that possibly had Russian help with bots posting / reposting fake news about Hilary, etc. on Facebook and other sites? And the fake negative news items about Hillary (along with all the fake super-positive items about Trump) actually did help to sway peoples' votes?? I thought they had evidence to show that the Russian meddling actually happened mostly, or at least more often, in just a few of the closest-margin states,. and that Wisconsin was one of them.
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