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Post by jenjie on Mar 15, 2019 12:42:17 GMT
This is the first I’m hearing of the shootings. I’m... wow. I’m so sorry. This ought not be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 13:11:18 GMT
Absolutely disgusting how much hate people can build up by "believing" in bs.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 15, 2019 14:01:10 GMT
Too much hatred being spread.
It’s like an infection.
Hatred is taught, everyday.
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Post by pyccku on Mar 15, 2019 14:01:48 GMT
There are people out there who enjoy this sort of thing - they imagine themselves doing something like this, and the videos allow them to live vicariously. They fantasize about the "next civil war" and picture themselves going through their area, shooting anyone they think deserves it and "purifying" the community of undesirables. This sort of video is meant to be inspirational to them. They want their like-minded citizens to see them as freedom fighters and heroes, willing to do the hard work that nobody else wants to do.
People have been taught to fear Muslim terrorists, but it would appear that the white nationalist terrorist is more active.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 15, 2019 14:08:48 GMT
People have been taught to fear Muslim terrorists, but it would appear that the white nationalist terrorist is more active. terrorism expert Malcom Nance was on MSNBC this morning (along with another expert, I can't remember who) and they were talking about this very thing- it seems like Muslims are the only ones who are called "terrorists" and anyone else who perpetrates horrific acts of violence like this are called 'right-wing extremists' or some other more benign euphemism, instead of calling them what they ARE-- terrorists. They did say that the shooter (the one with the body camera) apparently was a follower / admirer of the person who perpetrated the killings in Norway. it was horrible to hear this news; my heart goes out to the people of New Zealand and the families of the people who were killed.
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Post by marmargirl on Mar 15, 2019 14:18:36 GMT
My heat is so heavy with sadness right now.
Too much hatred in the world that I just can’t wrap my head around.
Love being sent to everyone in New Zealand. 😓❤️
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Mar 15, 2019 14:25:37 GMT
This is just horrible and tragic. My thoughts are with everyone in NZ.
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Post by wallyagain on Mar 15, 2019 14:40:33 GMT
Too much hatred in the world that I just can’t wrap my head around I also am struggling with the hate in the world. I knew it was out there, but every day there is something else. My thoughts are with the people of New Zealand. This is just too awful.
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 15, 2019 14:45:56 GMT
I don't understand why people want to see people get shot and killed. Is it morbid curiosity? Does the internet and computer take away all humanity from the event? Do they not realize what they are about to see? I just don't get it. My thoughts are with the victims and the country of New Zealand tonight I don’t understand why anyone would watch. I think it is so disrespectful of the people who died and their loved ones. In my opinion, the people who watch the video are playing right into the hands of the terrorists and are allowing themselves to be manipulated by the terrorists. This story is heartbreaking. My heart goes out to New Zealand today.
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Post by momx1 on Mar 15, 2019 14:54:35 GMT
My heart breaks for all the families and friends who lost love ones I’m also deeply saddened for those who now are forced to think twice before going to their center of worship.
Prayers also for the Christchurch community as they heal.
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Post by pyccku on Mar 15, 2019 15:02:08 GMT
I think it is so disrespectful of the people who died and their loved ones. Your problem is that you are assuming that everyone respects everyone else. This is not true. If you dehumanize a group, you can tell yourself that they aren't really people - they aren't victims, they are just targets. It's not a tragedy when one of them is hurt or killed, because they don't matter in the first place. The Holocaust did not start with concentration camps. It started with "reasonable" people determining that certain people weren't really deserving of the same rights and respect that everyone else got. We're not hurting them, we're just keeping them separate from the rest of us. They can still do business and go to school - they just have to do it away from the rest of us. Once they have been isolated, it's easier to tell lies about them - they aren't like us, they don't love their children like we do, they don't respect us, they want to hurt us. Now it's necessary to STOP them - because they don't respect us and want to hurt us, you see. It's for the good of society. If they hadn't been so different, so horrible in the first place, we wouldn't have to do this. But they insisted on doing things their way and not being like the good people, so moving them away from society where they can be easily controlled is only the sensible thing to do. And then once they've been removed - who is going to speak up for them? Who is going to care? Nobody. Those who will watch this video with pleasure will view the victims not as fellow human beings with feelings and dreams and families who love them. No, they will be "non player characters" or "vermin" that has to be eradicated. They are targets, not people.
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Post by MaryMary on Mar 15, 2019 15:16:08 GMT
Oh no! This is horrifying. To our NZ and Muslim peas, I am so sorry this evil has come to you. I am making plans to bring flowers to our local mosque today.
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 15, 2019 15:28:20 GMT
So based on this thread I got curious. I read the news stories from main stream media earlier today. I was wondering how difficult it would be for a regular old middle aged couch potato mom to find the video. I was able to find it in less then 2 minutes of simple google searches with key words I read in the news stories. Did I watch it? Just the first couple seconds of him getting into the car. Just seeing that was enough. I don't think I would be able to sleep watching more.I am not sure there is any way to keep it off the web. I have never been a fan of FB live. We don't want censoring but something needs to be put into place to prevent crimes being broadcast live. It will help convict criminals but at what cost. Why did I go that far? I think it was a real eye opener for me to find out how easy this stuff will be for my teens to access. They are way more smart online then I hope to be. I did go back in my browser history and the bit tube I saw it on has been deleted now. Eye opening. Since the beginning of time there has always been a dark side to humanity. We will never wipe it away sadly. People feed off of this kind of thing. Scary. Usually this kind of thing is contained to the "dark web" but to be so easily accessible. ugh. Makes me want to grab my kids devices, but not seeing or hearing about it just keeps us sheltered and doesn't change the horror that is still out there.OK I am rambling over coffee.
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Post by mallie on Mar 15, 2019 16:00:12 GMT
There has always been a lot of sickness in the world.
In the past, it was a social activity to watch someone be hung/stoned/flogged. A popular entertainment at the time of Shakespeare was bear baiting. And the Romans with their various to the death battles between men and/or animals.
We like to think we are more civilized.
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Post by thundergal on Mar 15, 2019 16:06:21 GMT
Feeling incredibly sad about this today.
All the senseless death is one thing. That there are people who want to watch people be killed is another.
Truly truly sad.
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Post by peano on Mar 15, 2019 17:27:16 GMT
My thoughts are with our NZ friends across the ditch. What a tragic situation, and definitely not one that you'd expect to see in NZ of all places. Regarding the live streaming by one shooter - apart from haters who will have watched I do feel we have swathes of our communities who are so used to playing violent computer games that they have become desensitised to real life horrors and feel that if it’s on a screen it’s almost normal. Yes I agree that desensitisation is possibly a big reason why people would watch and even seek out these kinds of videos. I think of my own son and his mates who play all those shooting games on the PS4, and how this particular video wouldn't be that much different to them. Before I comment on your statement, I just want to echo everyone in my despair that these acts of hatred are becoming more frequent as these terrorists and cowards have become more emboldened by the rise of white nationalist movements not only in this country, but worldwide. AussieMeg, do you really think your son and his friends are so inured to real violence by virtue of video games? Did you ask him? I asked DS, an avid gamer, what he thought about what you wrote. He said that he would have no interest in watching actual footage, and that anyone who would already has something really wrong with them. Anyway, my heart is so heavy that so many condemn Muslims universally as terrorists, when all these innocents were doing were praying. Wishing peace and solace to the victims in the days to come.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 15, 2019 17:35:59 GMT
Oh no! This is horrifying. To our NZ and Muslim peas, I am so sorry this evil has come to you. I am making plans to bring flowers to our local mosque today.  Talk, thoughts and prayers are not enough.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 15, 2019 17:38:36 GMT
I saw a comment on someone's "don't watch the video" post this morning that might shed a little light on why *some* people might watch. This person agrees that the shooting was wrong and seems to be advocating watching the video as a way of being informed. "I would totally agree with you, if it’s not for the fact that seeing that horrible and gut wrenching footage can only open these ignorant people’s eyes to what is really going on. The government and news agencies don’t want you to see it for a reason!! To keep you in the dark and mix up your opinions on it. See for yourself this pure evil and stray far from it, that is how we must learn at this point." from this post I disagree completely (so much!) but I thought if this person feels this way, many others probably do too.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 15, 2019 17:45:03 GMT
I’m with you joblackford, I disagree completely. I think if you can’t just read about it andrealize how evil it iwas and/or need to see it to not mix up your opinions, there’s something wrong with you. It was wrong/horrible/disgusting/terrifying. What other (healthy) opinion is there? They don’t want us to see it because it is just another way of amplifying the terrorist’s views.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 15, 2019 18:40:45 GMT
I saw a comment on someone's "don't watch the video" post this morning that might shed a little light on why *some* people might watch. This person agrees that the shooting was wrong and seems to be advocating watching the video as a way of being informed. "I would totally agree with you, if it’s not for the fact that seeing that horrible and gut wrenching footage can only open these ignorant people’s eyes to what is really going on. The government and news agencies don’t want you to see it for a reason!! To keep you in the dark and mix up your opinions on it. See for yourself this pure evil and stray far from it, that is how we must learn at this point." from this post I disagree completely (so much!) but I thought if this person feels this way, many others probably do too. I agree with you. Just read this from a CNN opinion piece: "This fellow live streamed the shooting and his supporters have cheered him on, and most of them are not in New Zealand," he said. "Unfortunately once it's out there and it's downloaded, it can still be (online)," he added.
The spread of the video could inspire copycats, said CNN legal enforcement analyst Steve Moore, a retired supervisory special agent for the FBI.
"What I would tell the public is this: Do you want to help terrorists? Because if you do, sharing this video is exactly how you do it," Moore said.
"Do not share the video or you are part of this," he added.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:16:45 GMT
I saw a comment on someone's "don't watch the video" post this morning that might shed a little light on why *some* people might watch. This person agrees that the shooting was wrong and seems to be advocating watching the video as a way of being informed. "I would totally agree with you, if it’s not for the fact that seeing that horrible and gut wrenching footage can only open these ignorant people’s eyes to what is really going on. The government and news agencies don’t want you to see it for a reason!! To keep you in the dark and mix up your opinions on it. See for yourself this pure evil and stray far from it, that is how we must learn at this point." from this post I disagree completely (so much!) but I thought if this person feels this way, many others probably do too. I agree with you. Just read this from a CNN opinion piece: "This fellow live streamed the shooting and his supporters have cheered him on, and most of them are not in New Zealand," he said. "Unfortunately once it's out there and it's downloaded, it can still be (online)," he added.
The spread of the video could inspire copycats, said CNN legal enforcement analyst Steve Moore, a retired supervisory special agent for the FBI.
"What I would tell the public is this: Do you want to help terrorists? Because if you do, sharing this video is exactly how you do it," Moore said.
"Do not share the video or you are part of this," he added.I totally agree with the bolded part. By sharing this video one is giving the terrorist a platform which is really what they wants.......the publicity, they thrive on it whoever they are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:28:28 GMT
No one I hope, and I hope Facebook are able to remove all traces of the video. I am in Christchurch and was stuck with my kids at school in lockdown from 3pm until 6pm. There was never any danger for us, but still scary and upsetting for the kids. I’m so sad that this has happened in my hometown - this is not something I would have ever expected to see. 😔😔 Thankfully you and your kids are safe. My deepest sympathies to the people of NZ during this most tragic time.
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 15, 2019 20:04:10 GMT
I struggle so much with what to DO in response to events like this. I read this article today and wanted to share it in case someone else feels like I do. Thoughts and prayers and Facebook sharing isn't enough! I don't know that this is much better, but I feel like spreading love and kindness to our neighbors in response to hatred and violence somehow tilts this crazy world back a bit. We bought some cookies and wrote a card and took it to our local mosque today. Just letting our Muslim neighbors know we stand with them and are grateful they are part of our community feels right. 5 things you can do today
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 15, 2019 21:32:57 GMT
Yes I agree that desensitisation is possibly a big reason why people would watch and even seek out these kinds of videos. I think of my own son and his mates who play all those shooting games on the PS4, and how this particular video wouldn't be that much different to them. AussieMeg, do you really think your son and his friends are so inured to real violence by virtue of video games? Did you ask him? I asked DS, an avid gamer, what he thought about what you wrote. He said that he would have no interest in watching actual footage, and that anyone who would already has something really wrong with them. That's a very good question, and I don't know the answer. To be honest, I was actually a bit reluctant to ask him. I'm not sure that he even knows there is actual footage of the shooting, and I didn't want him running off to search out the footage. I wanted to think a bit more about the discussion I need to have with him. I was listening to a discussion on the radio yesterday, and they were saying that if anyone was thinking about watching the video, to think long and hard, because once you've seen it you can't unsee it. I honestly don't know what my son would do or think. But I will discuss it with him. Personally, I would never watch the video. I am a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino films, and I can watch the fight scenes in Kill Bill - including the beheadings - without flinching. I am completely desensitised to violence in movies and on TV. But when the American journalist was beheaded several years back, there was NO WAY I was going to watch that. The thought of it made me feel physically ill. I just hope that my son's 14yo brain can in fact see the difference between fact and fiction. Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit. But thanks for questioning and I guess challenging me, I will definitely talk to him about it. 
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Post by peaname on Mar 16, 2019 3:01:42 GMT
I think in a way people seek to understand especially when it comes to such a horribly senselsss crime. People read true crime and look at crime scene photos and I think watching this video is no different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 5:27:56 GMT
Good to see NZ is not f(#*$ing around w/bs "thoughts and prayers"
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Post by gillyp on Mar 16, 2019 8:52:56 GMT
Not only that @zingermack I was pleased to see the main guy being charged so quickly with murder. No pussyfooting around there either. That’s what all countries should be doing imho.
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Post by wellway on Mar 16, 2019 11:36:55 GMT
Ugh, he flashed the white power sign when being brought into court.
I really hope they find a way to avoid him using the court as a pulpit.
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