MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 2, 2019 18:46:04 GMT
From the video - Brzezinski: "He's affectionate, and I'm just gonna push back and I know I put myself at great peril here...there could be more...whatever...more of what, I wanna ask because so far these two women have gotten national coverage for something they say was not sexual. So what was it? Affectionate and they didn't like the affection? I don't know what line we're drawing here.
I'll tell you exactly what line we're talking about: personal space and the right to have a say in who touches you and how they touch you. Cultural differences aside, either we have autonomy over ourselves or we don't.
Now, Biden has worked for years on women's rights so it's difficult for me to believe he's doing this with any kind of evil/sexual intent but...cheese & crackers people! This isn't a new problem.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 2, 2019 19:11:16 GMT
Ugh. I like him and I wish people would just stop it! Everyone has to whine for attention. Pay attention to meeee! Me! I was touched! He touched me! AHHHH!!!
If they don't like being touched then just move away. So ridiculous. Everyone is afraid to do or say anything now adays. I can't stand it.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 2, 2019 19:12:42 GMT
I’ve tried to get worked up about this, but I’m finding it really difficult. People who are too touchy-feely for you (anyone) are annoying, but that doesn’t make them “inappropriate.”
I don’t particularly like being hugged by adults I didn’t give birth to, but I wouldn’t dream of trying to destroy a leading contender for the presidency by complaining about their “inappropriate” hugging/touching, etc.
It’s a thinly-disguised attempt to take down an opponent by a supporter of another Democrat. And the more I think about it, the madder I get.
I guess I’m with Mika on this one.
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Post by sunshine on Apr 2, 2019 19:24:28 GMT
The election cycle is in the beginning stages and the smears against the left are going to amp up. The left is starting to turn on each other and eat their own.
This will be interesting to watch.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 2, 2019 19:28:18 GMT
I'm just wondering why Biden thinks it's okay to invade personal space like this. It's weird.
Who thinks it's normal to go in for a "face feel" within seconds of meeting someone new??
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Post by sasha on Apr 2, 2019 19:38:33 GMT
Good to know when it is a democrat making women feel uncomfortable, it's just labeled as "being affectionate."
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Post by MichyM on Apr 2, 2019 19:40:00 GMT
Honestly, I *like* Biden, well as much as I can like a politician that is What he's done is 1000% inappropriate IMO. And if these women are bothered by his touching, they have every right to talk about it to whomever they choose. That video just shared by Miz Independent says it all to me. He needs to keep his hands, mouth, and evey oother part of his body OFF of women. I don't care if that's "his way" or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 19:40:59 GMT
I do believe there are some men that don’t think when it comes to “touching” women. There intent is not in the sexual predator mode, they just didn’t think. Then there men who are sexual predators like the idiot in The White House.
I believe both Al Franken and Joe Biden fall into the category where they just didn’t think their actions would be uncomfortable for the person on the receiving end of the action.
Franken realized what he did was wrong and apologized for his actions. He got kicked out of the senate.
As of yesterday Biden doesn’t think he did anything inappropriate. And that is a problem.
Just like it’s a problem that Sanders brushed off the reports that there was sexual harassment in his 2016 campaign and he wasn’t told about it because he was “busy running for president”.
So I disagree Biden should be given a pass. If it’s ok to kick Franken, who did apologize and acknowledge his actions were wrong, out of the Senate, then it’s ok to tell Biden, who thinks he didn’t do anything inappropriate, to go home, retire and thank him for his service to the country.
And the Democrats move on without Biden.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 2, 2019 19:47:44 GMT
Honestly, I *like* Biden, well as much as I can like a politician that is What he's done is 1000% inappropriate IMO. And if these women are bothered by his touching, they have every right to talk about it to whomever they choose. That video just shared by Miz Independent says it all to me. He needs to keep his hands, mouth, and evey oother part of his body OFF of women. I don't care if that's "his way" or not. yup But by the same token a woman could say no thank you I don’t know you well enough for affection
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Post by Merge on Apr 2, 2019 19:51:03 GMT
Our field is just fine without Biden. It's too large as is, so if people are knocked out by this kind of nonsense then so be it.
I'm more interested in the younger candidates anyway. I've had enough of old men running things.
I'm not interested in hearing any shit, though, from anyone who voted for and/or supports the pussy grabber in chief. Bless your hearts for trying to tell anyone else their candidate has been inappropriate with women. Mind your own house on that one.
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Post by sasha on Apr 2, 2019 19:51:27 GMT
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Post by sasha on Apr 2, 2019 19:52:42 GMT
Our field is just fine without Biden. It's too large as is, so if people are knocked out by this kind of nonsense then so be it. I'm more interested in the younger candidates anyway. I've had enough of old men running things. I'm not interested in hearing any shit, though, from anyone who voted for and/or supports the pussy grabber in chief. Bless your hearts for trying to tell anyone else their candidate has been inappropriate with women. Mind your own house on that one. Not that you are referring to me, but for the record, I have voted Republican in the past, but didn't vote for Trump, so I think I can comment.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 2, 2019 19:56:35 GMT
Honestly, I *like* Biden, well as much as I can like a politician that is What he's done is 1000% inappropriate IMO. And if these women are bothered by his touching, they have every right to talk about it to whomever they choose. That video just shared by Miz Independent says it all to me. He needs to keep his hands, mouth, and evey oother part of his body OFF of women. I don't care if that's "his way" or not. yup But by the same token a woman could say no thank you I don’t know you well enough for affection Why yes she could, but quite frankly, he shouldn't put her in the position of having to do so. Maybe this has never happened to you, but is has to me many times over the years. Boys/men (women/girls too) keep your body parts off of mine (unless invited to do so) thank-you-very-much.
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Post by Merge on Apr 2, 2019 19:58:38 GMT
Our field is just fine without Biden. It's too large as is, so if people are knocked out by this kind of nonsense then so be it. I'm more interested in the younger candidates anyway. I've had enough of old men running things. I'm not interested in hearing any shit, though, from anyone who voted for and/or supports the pussy grabber in chief. Bless your hearts for trying to tell anyone else their candidate has been inappropriate with women. Mind your own house on that one. Not that you are referring to me, but for the record, I have voted Republican in the past, but didn't vote for Trump, so I think I can comment. I wasn't referring to you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:11:46 GMT
Honestly, I *like* Biden, well as much as I can like a politician that is What he's done is 1000% inappropriate IMO. And if these women are bothered by his touching, they have every right to talk about it to whomever they choose. That video just shared by Miz Independent says it all to me. He needs to keep his hands, mouth, and evey oother part of his body OFF of women. I don't care if that's "his way" or not. yup But by the same token a woman could say no thank you I don’t know you well enough for affection Yeah, after he's already done the touching in this case. Too late by then. Do women have to preface every human interaction with a personal space directive?
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 2, 2019 20:15:41 GMT
Honestly, I *like* Biden, well as much as I can like a politician that is What he's done is 1000% inappropriate IMO. And if these women are bothered by his touching, they have every right to talk about it to whomever they choose. That video just shared by Miz Independent says it all to me. He needs to keep his hands, mouth, and evey oother part of his body OFF of women. I don't care if that's "his way" or not. yup But by the same token a woman could say no thank you I don’t know you well enough for affection Here's the problem though...Biden is a powerful man. In Flores case, he went to a rally for Flores to endorse her in the name of the Democratic Party. Seems she didn't feel at liberty to "bite the hand that feeds."
He was the damn Vice President of the USA for crying out loud! Offend him and maybe her campaign was dead before it got off the ground! Maybe not but you understand the difficulty, how could she know? It was a weird interaction.
So you see...it's not as easy as "no thank you, I don't know you well enough" to sniff my hair, lean in for a kiss, rub noses with me or touch my face.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 2, 2019 20:18:50 GMT
Not that you are referring to me, but for the record, I have voted Republican in the past, but didn't vote for Trump, so I think I can comment. I wasn't referring to you. Were you referring to me? Because I didn't vote for the Great Cheeto either. I am, in fact, a registered Democrat - as surprising as that may seem to some.
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Post by Merge on Apr 2, 2019 20:23:08 GMT
I wasn't referring to you. Were you referring to me? Because I didn't vote form the Great Cheeto either. I am, in fact, a registered Democrat - as surprising as that may seem to some. Might have just been a general observation based on what I'm seeing on Twitter today. 😊
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:24:15 GMT
It’s a thinly-disguised attempt to take down an opponent by a supporter of another Democrat. And the more I think about it, the madder I get. I'm a conservative who will likely continue to vote Republican because I don't like the other alternatives. But I agree with you. It's thinly-disguised and it's disgusting. I actually feel sorry for Biden. While he might be way too handsy for political correctness, I don't think there was any intention at all in anything he has done other than just being the kind of dude who is comfortable touching people and who it didn't even occur to that someone would be uncomfortable with it. It makes him clueless, not a creeper.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 2, 2019 20:28:57 GMT
He hasn’t even announced a run, has he? I’m not a Biden supporter (I’m a Warren supporter). My opinion which I posted on another thread, is that he’s got way too much baggage that will be used against him, not just these instances upthread. I’m old, but I’m not looking forward to the debate of two senior citizens, Handsy and Grabby, who are both out of touch with today’s women, today’s culture and today’s hunger for more progressive ideas.
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Post by flanz on Apr 2, 2019 20:29:58 GMT
I’ve tried to get worked up about this, but I’m finding it really difficult. People who are too touchy-feely for you (anyone) are annoying, but that doesn’t make them “inappropriate.” I don’t particularly like being hugged by adults I didn’t give birth to, but I wouldn’t dream of trying to destroy a leading contender for the presidency by complaining about their “inappropriate” hugging/touching, etc. It’s a thinly-disguised attempt to take down an opponent by a supporter of another Democrat. And the more I think about it, the madder I get. I guess I’m with Mika on this one. As is often the case, I agree with Lucy.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 2, 2019 20:32:12 GMT
yup But by the same token a woman could say no thank you I don’t know you well enough for affection Why yes she could, but quite frankly, he shouldn't put her in the position of having to do so. Maybe this has never happened to you, but is has to me many times over the years. Boys/men (women/girls too) keep your body parts off of mine (unless invited to do so) thank-you-very-much. I don’t let people get close enough to me to touch me. I must give off a serious leave me alone vibe, I’m sure it’s pretty ingrained in me at this point. It was over a year before one of my best friends realized I was not hug a phobic. She thought I didn’t like hugs and I thought she might not. Lol I respect other people’s personal space & I don’t initiate a hug or really anything, unless I know they like hugs & wont mind one from me. But since I was once ( in 8th grade ) grabbed by the pussy ( with clothes on ) I give people I don’t know quite a wide berth because it’s just natural for me to keep people far enough away that they can’t touch me. I’m not giving anyone the chance. I probably appear rather defensive to new people, I guess. If I were the woman in the above video I’d have backed up and looked at him like WTF are you doing and if panicked enough I might kick. I shake hands of new people with a very extended arm and often something in front of me in my left hand. At work I have a clip board that is my ‘barrier’ I was kinda freaked going to Japan what with all the female only cars on trains and stuff but I fared much better than I have in the NYC subway. But yes, women do need to set personal space boundaries for themselves and be verbal about it if necessary. And it should NOT be seen as biting the hand that feeds you. Or negative in anyway. I mean I ask before moving a piece of fuzz of my friend’s sweater.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 2, 2019 20:37:14 GMT
And it should NOT be seen as biting the hand that feeds you. Or negative in anyway. You're right, it shouldn't.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 2, 2019 20:42:28 GMT
I don't think his touching is meant to be harrassing, but dang, it's inappropriate. That face touching video above actually pisses me off. I can't imagine going to the media with something like this, but she did, and I think we have to say cut it the fuck out, Joe! I can't understand what he can't understand about personal and physical boundaries. It's one of the first things we teach our children - don't put your hands on others. We ask people before we pet their dogs, for crying out loud. What is there to not get about this?
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 2, 2019 20:54:00 GMT
I like Biden. This behavior is an automatic disqualifier for me. On either side.
If he winds up as the D nominee, I will be so heartbroken.
People need to keep their hands to themselves beyond a simple handshake. Politicians don’t need to be hugging, holding hands, face touching or hair sniffing anyone they are not married to. Boundaries. Boundaries are a good thing and should be respected. Don’t make people feel uncomfortable because you are a touchy feely person, or are affectionate, or are trying to create a pretty picture that will look good on the campaign trail.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:57:47 GMT
I’ve tried to get worked up about this, but I’m finding it really difficult. People who are too touchy-feely for you (anyone) are annoying, but that doesn’t make them “inappropriate.” I don’t particularly like being hugged by adults I didn’t give birth to, but I wouldn’t dream of trying to destroy a leading contender for the presidency by complaining about their “inappropriate” hugging/touching, etc. It’s a thinly-disguised attempt to take down an opponent by a supporter of another Democrat. And the more I think about it, the madder I get. I guess I’m with Mika on this one. I don’t know, but when one comes up to someone, smell them and then kiss them on the back of the head, I think it’s a bit more then annoying to that person unless they are a family member. Think Biden would walk up to President Obama, smelled him and then kissed him on the back of the head? Of course not, so why should it be acceptable to do it to a woman? Because she is a woman it makes it ok? And then he says he feels what he did was not inappropriate. I rarely disagree with you on matters, but I’m going to on this one.
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Post by coffeetalk on Apr 2, 2019 21:06:42 GMT
Rachael Bade Verified account LOL -- @speakerpelosi at Playbook breakfast gives advice to JOE BIDEN regarding his touches and leans and forehead kisses:
"Join the straight-arm club w/ me" & treat EVERYONE as if they have a cold & you don't want to get it.
Personal space is good, in short.
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Post by sasha on Apr 2, 2019 21:06:55 GMT
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Post by tentoes on Apr 2, 2019 21:22:48 GMT
Honestly, I *like* Biden, well as much as I can like a politician that is What he's done is 1000% inappropriate IMO. And if these women are bothered by his touching, they have every right to talk about it to whomever they choose. That video just shared by Miz Independent says it all to me. He needs to keep his hands, mouth, and evey oother part of his body OFF of women. I don't care if that's "his way" or not.t Totally agree.
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Post by likescarrots on Apr 2, 2019 21:41:39 GMT
Ugh. I like him and I wish people would just stop it! Everyone has to whine for attention. Pay attention to meeee! Me! I was touched! He touched me! AHHHH!!! If they don't like being touched then just move away. So ridiculous. Everyone is afraid to do or say anything now adays. I can't stand it. Seriously? Shame on you. You have a daughter. You should be teaching her that NO ONE gets to touch her without her permission. I don't care if it's a touch on the arm, on the head, a hug, or more. No one has the right to touch a person without consent. Not even the vice president or presidential nominee.
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