QueenoftheSloths
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 11, 2019 17:56:23 GMT
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bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Apr 11, 2019 18:03:48 GMT
I know part of the reason Kate and William do the whole stand outside on the steps with their baby is to keep the press at bay as much as they can. It protects the hospital as well, but I'm with Megan on this one, I don't blame her for not wanting to step out of the hospital hours after giving birth looking amazing and holding a newborn. Let them have their privacy and time with the baby.
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Post by gar on Apr 11, 2019 18:08:00 GMT
I can't say I blame them as parents but it's a break with tradition for sure. I wonder who's idea that was...
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 11, 2019 18:14:27 GMT
ummmm, well although I think the tradition to see the Royals on the steps is nice.. I don't blame them one bit.. Would I want millions of people staring at me right after giving birth.. HECK no.. lol.. Glad they are doing what they want to do instead of being forced into something.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 11, 2019 18:17:34 GMT
I think it’s kind of silly to pretend like this is some big tradition. If Diana started it, that’s only one generation ago. It’s more of a modern expectation than an actual royal tradition.
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iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Apr 11, 2019 18:20:21 GMT
I don't blame them either. I wouldn't want to be outside with the world looking at me just hours after giving birth. Sheesh. I'd be worried about bleeding all over the darned sidewalk and my face being all puffy etc.
Plus with the nastiness towards her and her crazy sister, I wouldn't want to take my baby out for a bit either.
I am a bit disappointed that we won't have the fun of seeing them, but oh well. There will be pictures soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 18:22:38 GMT
I didn't think for a moment that she would entertain the idea of having it at the Lindo Wing ( where the Duchess of Cambridge had her babies) it's over an hour's drive ( on a good run) from their home. I don't think they would take that risk. Births are unpredictable. They can take an hour or they can take 10 +hours for natural births.
She could opt to have a home birth but she also has two hospitals quite near to Windsor that she could go to. One of them Frimley Park is where Sophie the Countess of Wessex ( Prince Edward's wife) gave birth to her two children. It was the hospital that helped save Sophie's life following complications during the premature birth of her daughter, Lady Louise.They are both public hospitals.
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Apr 11, 2019 18:24:19 GMT
You know Harry is not the direct heir to the thrown. So did Charles' brothers and sisters show off their children right after birth on the steps of the hospitals? Harry would be compared to Anne or Edward not Charles per say......I'm not British but it seems Harry should not be held to the same expectations as William might be since their positions are totally different.....aren't they?
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mallie
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Post by mallie on Apr 11, 2019 18:26:42 GMT
Standing outside the hospital with the baby is a NEW trend. Hardly a tradition.
In fact, as I recall, the Queen had all her babies at home. Princess Anne had her babies in the hospital and so did Diana and Fergie.
So this is not some time-honored tradition.
Every mother should give birth in a manner that is best for her and the baby. Period.
No one is entitled to see them the second they get cleaned up from birth. It's a ridiculous expectation.
And I for one, would be not be doing the afterbirth walk to the car. Kate is very lucky she is feeling well enough to walk in high heels. I was in excellent physical shape when I gave birth, but L&D took everything out of me. I looked like shit and literally had to take the wheelchair to the car or else I would have collapsed after each birth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 18:32:48 GMT
You know Harry is not the direct heir to the thrown. So did Charles' brothers and sisters show off their children right after birth on the steps of the hospitals? Harry would be compared to Anne or Edward not Charles per say......I'm not British but it seems Harry should not be held to the same expectations as William might be since their positions are totally different.....aren't they? I have a feeling that Princess Anne had her two there.I have no idea if she posed for photos on the steps as I'm only a year older than Peter Phillips !
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trollie
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Post by trollie on Apr 11, 2019 18:36:20 GMT
Hope they have a safe and uneventful delivery. Cannot wait to see pictures, but I totally understand their need for privacy.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 11, 2019 20:13:33 GMT
Good. This whole thing with the getting out of bed and making yourself look perfect hours/days after you birth a human for some stupid photos is completely insane.
I hope her delivery is uneventful and that it goes exactly how she wants it to. And that they get to enjoy those precious hours and first days together and with their families.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 11, 2019 20:31:06 GMT
Hoping she has a smooth and easy birth.
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Heathen
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Post by Heathen on Apr 11, 2019 21:53:36 GMT
I didn't think for a moment that she would entertain the idea of having it at the Lindo Wing ( where the Duchess of Cambridge had her babies) it's over an hour's drive ( on a good run) from their home. I don't think they would take that risk. Births are unpredictable. They can take an hour or they can take 10 +hours for natural births. She could opt to have a home birth but she also has two hospitals quite near to Windsor that she could go to. One of them Frimley Park is where Sophie the Duchess of Wessex ( Prince Edward's wife) gave birth to her two children. It was the hospital that helped save Sophie's life following complications during the premature birth of her daughter, Lady Louise.They are both public hospitals. Countess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:07:25 GMT
I didn't think for a moment that she would entertain the idea of having it at the Lindo Wing ( where the Duchess of Cambridge had her babies) it's over an hour's drive ( on a good run) from their home. I don't think they would take that risk. Births are unpredictable. They can take an hour or they can take 10 +hours for natural births. She could opt to have a home birth but she also has two hospitals quite near to Windsor that she could go to. One of them Frimley Park is where Sophie the Duchess of Wessex ( Prince Edward's wife) gave birth to her two children. It was the hospital that helped save Sophie's life following complications during the premature birth of her daughter, Lady Louise.They are both public hospitals. Countess. Haha! You’re right. Don’t know why I put that,typing too quick for my brain I guess.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 11, 2019 23:22:14 GMT
I hope they have a safe& uneventful delivery and the press & paparazzi can leave them have some peace.
There wasn’t much peace given to Kate & William when they had George.
I just happened to be at the Kensington palace museum the day the Queen came to see George and the paparazzi were horrible lining every pathway/wall etc for a view
I thought it was rather sick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 23:34:49 GMT
I don't know much about the habits of the Royal family, but when my DD gave birth 2 1/2 years ago, she was not happy when her daddy came into the room while the baby was bonding "skin to skin" on her bare chest. She is expecting again and told me to not bring him to the hospital until she asks us to come. Of course, I'll have her older child so it makes sense, but she really wants that alone time that she thinks is very important (she is a NICU RN). I think any brand new mama should take time alone with the baby for bonding and such. Royal or not!
They didn't let us do those things when my babies were born. They whisked my DS off to the nursery for hours after his birth. DD was allowed to stay on the warming table next to me for a while, then also whisked off. I would have loved to spend that time just after birth basking in the glow of the miracle I'd just received.
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 12, 2019 0:09:08 GMT
Harry and Meghan are not in the same position as William and Catherine. I'm not at all surprised they are not following the same announcement.
I applaud them for choosing their own way.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 12, 2019 1:15:11 GMT
I'd be VERY surprised if she has a home birth. Maybe they are 'leaking' that rumour so that whatever hospital she is in doesn't get bombarded. At 37 having her first baby (and she's a thin girl with quite a large bump...so potentially a big baby) they have to be considering the very real possibility she may have a caesarean delivery.
Especially with it being her first, no-one knows how her body will handle labour. And no matter how good the doctor/midwife at home is, it will never compare to the on hand expertise of many other staff and proper ICU & NICU should that be required for either mum or baby. Now this report with the "have the baby in private for a few days" makes me think a C-section is on the cards. That way she gets to rest and recover before she appears for photos with the baby.
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Post by gar on Apr 14, 2019 7:43:50 GMT
I'd be VERY surprised if she has a home birth. Maybe they are 'leaking' that rumour so that whatever hospital she is in doesn't get bombarded. At 37 having her first baby (and she's a thin girl with quite a large bump...so potentially a big baby) they have to be considering the very real possibility she may have a caesarean delivery. Not picking on you pjaye but I thought this was an interesting addition to the discussion. The article below says the Queen was born at home by cesarean section! I was surprised to read that (I did check it out) but I guess if they could do that 90 odd years ago it could definitely be done now if necessary. I thought it was funy too that a government minister was in the next room to ensure no baby switching took place link
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Post by pjaye on Apr 14, 2019 10:15:16 GMT
The article below says the Queen was born at home by cesarean section! I was surprised to read that (I did check it out) but I guess if they could do that 90 odd years ago it could definitely be done now if necessary "Could" they? probably...but "would" they these days? Unless there was no other option...no they wouldn't. Kids used to have their tonsils out on the kitchen table at home too (I know someone in their 70s who had this done!)...but when was the last time you or anyone you know let their kids have surgery at home? I doubt even the Royals would plan for a cesarean at home these days. Just because it's been done in the past does not make it a viable option now...it's a big a risk to take. Even in a planned home birth if things go wrong, the first option would be to stabilize the women and get to a hospital, doing a c-section at home would be a last resort & only if the life of the mother was at immediate risk. Also in the past royal babies were born at home with witnesses present so that no "baby swapping" occurred. I think we've moved on from that paranoia! Home births (not c-sections) are still a viable option for many women...but for older women having their first baby it's always going to carry more risk to both mother and baby and I think for a high profile member of the royal family, many doctors would be even more cautious than normal. Last thing they want to be doing is rushing a bleeding/distressed Duchess via ambulance to hospital. Imagine what would happen if she or the baby died? I doubt many obstetricians would be putting up their hand to be a part of that shit show. Anyway...I'm just speculating about the c-section, to me it makes sense in light of their "we'll keep the birth a secret" statement as it would give her a few days to recover and avoid the expectation that she will appear in public with the baby a few hours later like Kate does. Plus I think they probably want to avoid all the press staking out the hospital for weeks beforehand and making things difficult for the hospital & the other patients.
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hannahruth
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Post by hannahruth on Apr 14, 2019 13:09:49 GMT
You know Harry is not the direct heir to the thrown. So did Charles' brothers and sisters show off their children right after birth on the steps of the hospitals? Harry would be compared to Anne or Edward not Charles per say......I'm not British but it seems Harry should not be held to the same expectations as William might be since their positions are totally different.....aren't they? Well yes I agree but the one that doesn't seem to realise that Harry is not the direct heir and her expectations do seem to be at odds with this. What is he? number 7 or 8 to the throne so Bubby Sussex really isn't in the running. I personally don't think Harry is held in the same light but he and Wills have been so close they were a bit of a tag team - two for the price of one. Jealously is an ugly shade of green on anyone.
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Post by katiejane on Apr 14, 2019 13:10:03 GMT
Home births are not uncommon in the UK. So I can see that if she is fit and well and had no complications during her pregnancy this wouldn't be an issue.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 14, 2019 14:29:19 GMT
Home births are not uncommon in the UK. So I can see that if she is fit and well and had no complications during her pregnancy this wouldn't be an issue. It's not 'Call The Midwife' days any longer.
I just googled. This UK Government website says:
That's for England and Wales In addition
I don't think you can call 2% of anything "common". Plus only 0.8% of those 2% had their first baby at home. Then factor in how many of those women are in the older age group (>35yo) and those are extremely low figures. Also still birth rates are highest in women aged under 20 and over 35yo. So I'm backing my educated speculation that a home birth is unlikely. Now - if they said Kate was having her next baby at home, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 18:08:22 GMT
Home births are not uncommon in the UK. So I can see that if she is fit and well and had no complications during her pregnancy this wouldn't be an issue. It's not 'Call The Midwife' days any longer.
I just googled. This UK Government website says:
That's for England and Wales
But the total birth rate itself had decline in 2017 so it wasn't just a decline in the number of home births. And I don't think katiejane was implying it was popular or common but more of that it wasn't unheard of. Some countries don't have any home births. In the same way that the UK differs to the US in that most of our births, even in hospital, are midwife led. It's totally unlikely that the Duchess of Sussex will not have the Royal Gynecologists present though, wherever she gives birth. A home birth decision by the mother also takes into account of where, geographically, she lives. Obviously the more rural she is the less likely she is to be advised that it's safe to have a home birth. The decision is taken by the mother, the Doctor and her midwife together when discussing her birth plan.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 14, 2019 18:53:48 GMT
But the total birth rate itself had decline in 2017 so it wasn't just a decline in the number of home births Ummm...no. Those stats are a percentage of the overall birth rate, a percentage is not affected by a decline in numbers. That only matters if the stats are total number of babies born at home, when it's expressed as a % the decline (or increase) in the number of births is already factored in. That's why 'percent' is used in the first place, to be able to compare the rates of something occurring when the overall numbers vary. It doesn't matter if something occurs 10 times in 100 or 100 times in 1000..it's still 10%. So the stats bear out the fact that out of all the women who gave birth, less of them chose a home birth in 2016/2017 than women giving birth in 2012-2015. So home births rates continue to decline...that's how you interpret that data. And I don't think katiejane was implying it was popular or common but more of that it wasn't unheard of. Again no, saying something is "not uncommon" is not the same as calling it "not unheard of" Really...why are you changing the wording of someone else's post? Suggesting that women having babies at home is common in the UK is simply untrue and the official statistics show that. Just a little over 2%...that means it is very uncommon. 98% of all women do NOT have home births. the UK differs to the US in that most of our births, even in hospital, are midwife led What does that have to do with anything? Most birth in Australia are midwife led as well, and our home birth rate is even lower.
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Post by annabella on Apr 14, 2019 20:52:14 GMT
I'm so glad she's taking a stand with this. I thought Kate must have been under so much pressure to do that photo-opt and I would feel nervous wearing heals holding a newborn, especially if you don't feel mentally up to do that whole glam up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 23:35:40 GMT
I'm so glad she's taking a stand with this. I thought Kate must have been under so much pressure to do that photo-opt and I would feel nervous wearing heals holding a newborn, especially if you don't feel mentally up to do that whole glam up. I don’t think she was under any pressure except from the hunger for photos by the media. She didn’t have to do it. It was safer for everyone involved as the media wanted photos come rain or shine. How do you think she would have gone home? She could have left through the back door but they were covering that entrance too and her car would have had to come out into that street where all the photographers were waiting. The media would have followed that vehicle come what may.......same way they did for Diana and we all know how that ended. The media don’t give a thought for anyone’s safety.
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Post by mlynn on Apr 15, 2019 5:23:43 GMT
While Harry's royal path will be significantly different than William's, I think the interest in him is/will be as high as the interest in William. They are both Diana's sons, and I think they hold the same place in the hearts of the public.
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Post by gar on Apr 15, 2019 7:28:46 GMT
While Harry's royal path will be significantly different than William's, I think the interest in him is/will be as high as the interest in William. They are both Diana's sons, and I think they hold the same place in the hearts of the public. Very much so.
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