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Post by sabrinae on Apr 13, 2019 19:26:14 GMT
www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/georgia-girl-shot-by-brother/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2FA 6 year old girl was shot and killed by her 4 year old brother in Georgia. Mom left them alone in the car with the loaded weapon while she left the car to see why it wouldn’t start. No charges filed. When are we going to start holding people responsible when their actions cause deaths through their gross negligence?. I think parents or the “responsible” adult should be charged in these cases. There has been an unwillingness to change gun laws regardless of what happens. They say people kill people, not guns. So let’s start holding those people responsible. At the very least the mom should be charged with endangering children but I believe she should be charged with negligent homicide. I also think this kind of behavior should lead to the removal of the other children in the home.
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Post by valincal on Apr 13, 2019 19:37:13 GMT
It appears any attempt to remove guns from
the irresponsible or mentally ill tramples their rights so I don’t see any change for your country ever.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 13, 2019 19:44:44 GMT
I agree with you 100%. The minimum charge should be endangering a child. CPS should remove the 4 year old from the home while the parents go through the process to prove their fitness to get him back.
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Post by MsKnit on Apr 13, 2019 19:47:08 GMT
I agree with you.
She should be charged with accessory to murder and negligence, at the bare minimum. Removing children from the home wouldn't come amiss either.
Seriously, what kind of idiot leaves a loaded gun where little ones can access it? She's too stupid to be responsible for children.
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Post by Merge on Apr 13, 2019 19:48:50 GMT
Its the same thing we see from people who grew up with guns and still defend the practice of leaving them accessible. "We knew better than to touch the guns." I'm sure this mom thought her kids "knew better" too.
So senseless. RIP little girl.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 13, 2019 19:56:20 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless.
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Post by casii on Apr 13, 2019 20:12:46 GMT
We penalize people more severely for leaving their dog in a hot car.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 13, 2019 20:15:34 GMT
We penalize people more severely for leaving their dog in a hot car. Yes. I'd like to say that the boy should be taken away from her, but he's been traumatized enough. I wish every single day that people had to take a serious parenting class before becoming parents. |
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Apr 13, 2019 20:17:14 GMT
We penalize people more severely for leaving their dog in a hot car. This is what really gets me. Leave an animal in a hot car and you get all kinds of punishments. Leave a kid in the car and everyone says what another pea said: They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. Both should be punishable. Both situations are preventable. |
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 13, 2019 20:23:13 GMT
We penalize people more severely for leaving their dog in a hot car. This is what really gets me. Leave an animal in a hot car and you get all kinds of punishments. Leave a kid in the car and everyone says what another pea said: They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. Both should be punishable. Both situations are preventable. While I agreeish, I also think of the boy. Sister's gone, it is my fault Mom's gone, it's my fault She is going to punish herself, but the boy needs her still I don't think killing a dog has the same emotional and long lasting effect having a child die does |
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Post by Zee on Apr 13, 2019 20:24:19 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. But it might make others think twice before leaving guns where children can reach them, if they realized that they could be charged with murder or whatever as well as lose their child. Making an example of someone in these cases isn't necessarily a bad thing. This was a 100% preventable death. |
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 13, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. But it might make others think twice before leaving guns where children can reach them, if they realized that they could be charged with murder or whatever as well as lose their child. Making an example of someone in these cases isn't necessarily a bad thing. This was a 100% preventable death. I'd rather be charged with 100 murders than have my child die. It was 100% preventable, but being charged isnt going to keep the next person from being a dumbass |
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 13, 2019 20:30:03 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. Well, since the possibility of their child dying wasn’t a deterrent to leaving a loaded firearm accessible, maybe some prison time will be a deterrent to others. Why should another child’s safety be left in her hands, when she is so clearly negligent. We remove kids when other deadly items are left within a kid’s access |
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Post by Zee on Apr 13, 2019 20:35:45 GMT
But it might make others think twice before leaving guns where children can reach them, if they realized that they could be charged with murder or whatever as well as lose their child. Making an example of someone in these cases isn't necessarily a bad thing. This was a 100% preventable death. I'd rather be charged with 100 murders than have my child die. It was 100% preventable, but being charged isnt going to keep the next person from being a dumbass How about both? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 13, 2019 20:41:59 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. Removing the guns from them or removing the other child from their care would be appropriate if they are not going to charge them. It’s horrifying that they lost a child. But their stupidity and irresponsibly caused it. They should have consequences. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 13, 2019 20:43:48 GMT
We penalize people more severely for leaving their dog in a hot car. Yes we do. Look at all the parents who have been prosecuted for leaving children in a hot car, or who have abused them. The parents negligence in this instance puts them right up there and they should have jail time just like the rest of those who are sentenced for harm to children. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 13, 2019 21:01:30 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. Their kid freaking died because of their freaking negligence. Kids are killed every freaking day because of this type of freaking negligence. It will only stop if there is a consequence beyond the personal pain to the negligence. Personal pain and grief are not reasons to let someone off for accidentally killing another person. |
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 13, 2019 21:03:45 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. Well, since the possibility of their child dying wasn’t a deterrent to leaving a loaded firearm accessible, maybe some prison time will be a deterrent to others. Why should another child’s safety be left in her hands, when she is so clearly negligent. We remove kids when other deadly items are left within a kid’s access Do we though? I’m sincerely asking, I don’t know. Like, what kinds of items could get my kid taken away if I have them at home and my kid happens to get into them? And I have done nothing else “wrong” as a parent? |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 13, 2019 21:06:22 GMT
This is what really gets me. Leave an animal in a hot car and you get all kinds of punishments. Leave a kid in the car and everyone says what another pea said: Both should be punishable. Both situations are preventable. While I agreeish, I also think of the boy. Sister's gone, it is my fault Mom's gone, it's my fault She is going to punish herself, but the boy needs her still I don't think killing a dog has the same emotional and long lasting effect having a child die does The truth is: sister's gone, it is mom's fault mom's gone, it is her own fault You don't think that four year old will grow up to question why his parents' left a load gun sitting where he could access it? |
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Post by trollie on Apr 13, 2019 21:13:00 GMT
While I agreeish, I also think of the boy. Sister's gone, it is my fault Mom's gone, it's my fault She is going to punish herself, but the boy needs her still I don't think killing a dog has the same emotional and long lasting effect having a child die does The truth is: sister's gone, it is mom's fault mom's gone, it is her own fault You don't think that four year old will grow up to question why his parents' left a load gun sitting where he could access it? Heartbreaking. I feel for the 4 year old. Sadly, I think there is a good possibility that he will blame himself when he is older and understands the gravity of his situation. I sure hope not though. |
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Post by DEX on Apr 13, 2019 21:14:11 GMT
They’re not being charged because their kids freaking died. That punishment is far worse than any jail sentence. They will already live their lives knowing they indirectly were responsible for their child’s death. They will never get over that. Ever. Throwing them in jail to “teach them a lesson” is pointless. But it might make others think twice before leaving guns where children can reach them, if they realized that they could be charged with murder or whatever as well as lose their child. Making an example of someone in these cases isn't necessarily a bad thing. This was a 100% preventable death. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, in theory. I wish that were true. The death penalty has shown that not to be the case as a deterrent. I wonder if most people on death row would say, “If I had known I would face the death penalty I wouldn’t have done XYZ”. After the fact is too late. Irresponsibility, immaturity, mental capacity, and just an attitude of, “It won’t happen to me” appear to be the guiding principles in such cases |
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Post by Zee on Apr 13, 2019 21:16:20 GMT
The truth is: sister's gone, it is mom's fault mom's gone, it is her own fault You don't think that four year old will grow up to question why his parents' left a load gun sitting where he could access it? Heartbreaking. I feel for the 4 year old. Sadly, I think there is a good possibility that he will blame himself when he is older and understands the gravity of his situation. I sure hope not though. Well fortunately he can console himself with that old chestnut "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Oh...wait... |
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Post by johnnysmom on Apr 13, 2019 21:19:24 GMT
While I agreeish, I also think of the boy. Sister's gone, it is my fault Mom's gone, it's my fault She is going to punish herself, but the boy needs her still I don't think killing a dog has the same emotional and long lasting effect having a child die does The truth is: sister's gone, it is mom's fault mom's gone, it is her own fault You don't think that four year old will grow up to question why his parents' left a load gun sitting where he could access it? First of all, I’m in favor of charging the mother but no I don’t think a 4year would understand it’s moms fault. Hopefully if he has a good support system he will be told over and over again (and eventually believe it) that it wasn’t his fault but in the mind of a 4yo he touched something he was probably told not to and his whole world changed, that makes it his fault. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 13, 2019 21:23:04 GMT
But it might make others think twice before leaving guns where children can reach them, if they realized that they could be charged with murder or whatever as well as lose their child. Making an example of someone in these cases isn't necessarily a bad thing. This was a 100% preventable death. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, in theory. I wish that were true. The death penalty has shown that not to be the case as a deterrent. I wonder if most people on death row would say, “If I had known I would face the death penalty I wouldn’t have done XYZ”. After the fact is too late. Irresponsibility, immaturity, mental capacity, and just an attitude of, “It won’t happen to me” appear to be the guiding principles in such cases I don't think anyone has suggested a death penalty charge. Locally a man was sentenced to 4 years when his daughter and a neighbor found a gun in their garage which discharged, mortally wounding the neighbor (9 or 10ish?). I bet more than a few people thought about how and where their own weapons were stored as this incident was reported. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 13, 2019 21:23:39 GMT
Not long ago I was reading comments on an article regarding the family whose child was removed from their care because they didn’t him to the hospital when he has a high fever. The article also said that the house was a mess and there was a gun propped against the wall. Several people justified the gun being there, saying that they have always had guns in their homes. When people tried to tell one woman in particular about how irresponsible this was, said something to the effect of “well, I have had a child for seven years and so far so good.”
Clearly, people feel invincible and think that these types of things only happen to others. I agree that losing my child would be the worst punishment, but I also think that maybe the knowledge that leaving guns accessible to kids may lead to criminal charges might deter some people. It’s kind of like drinking and driving. Nobody thinks that they would be one to hurt someone by driving drunk. But they do worry about getting pulled over by the police, so they alter their behavior.
Of course, it would also be nice if it was illegal to store guns in the open in the first place, regardless of whether or not someone got hurt.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 13, 2019 21:27:01 GMT
While I agreeish, I also think of the boy. Sister's gone, it is my fault Mom's gone, it's my fault She is going to punish herself, but the boy needs her still I don't think killing a dog has the same emotional and long lasting effect having a child die does The truth is: sister's gone, it is mom's fault mom's gone, it is her own fault You don't think that four year old will grow up to question why his parents' left a load gun sitting where he could access it? probably, but doesn't change the fact that if his mom goes to jail he grows up without a mom and with the knowledge that he killed his sister |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 13, 2019 21:27:43 GMT
The truth is: sister's gone, it is mom's fault mom's gone, it is her own fault You don't think that four year old will grow up to question why his parents' left a load gun sitting where he could access it? First of all, I’m in favor of charging the mother but no I don’t think a 4year would understand it’s moms fault. Hopefully if he has a good support system he will be told over and over again (and eventually believe it) that it wasn’t his fault but in the mind of a 4yo he touched something he was probably told not to and his whole world changed, that makes it his fault. Gah, I work with kids in the dependency system who battle this kind of thinking. When an adult fails a kid, it is NOT their fault. They need to be told that over and over and over again. Yes, they will struggle because of their life turning upside down but it is because they were failed.  |
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Post by trollie on Apr 13, 2019 21:27:53 GMT
Not long ago I was reading comments on an article regarding the family whose child was removed from their care because they didn’t him to the hospital when he has a high fever. The article also said that the house was a mess and there was a gun propped against the wall. Several people justified the gun being there, saying that they have always had guns in their homes. When people tried to tell one woman in particular about how irresponsible this was, said something to the effect of “well, I have had a child for seven years and so far so good.” Clearly, people feel invincible and think that these types of things only happen to others. I agree that losing my child would be the worst punishment, but I also think that maybe the knowledge that leaving guns accessible to kids may lead to criminal charges might deter some people. It’s kind of like drinking and driving. Nobody thinks that they would be one to hurt someone by driving drunk. But they do worry about getting pulled over by the police, so they alter their behavior. Of course, it would also be nice if it was illegal to store guns in the open in the first place, regardless of whether or not someone got hurt. Yes. I do think guns should have to be locked up. Seems like a no brainer to me.... |
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 13, 2019 21:32:14 GMT
Well, since the possibility of their child dying wasn’t a deterrent to leaving a loaded firearm accessible, maybe some prison time will be a deterrent to others. Why should another child’s safety be left in her hands, when she is so clearly negligent. We remove kids when other deadly items are left within a kid’s access Do we though? I’m sincerely asking, I don’t know. Like, what kinds of items could get my kid taken away if I have them at home and my kid happens to get into them? And I have done nothing else “wrong” as a parent? I’ve prosecuted child abuse and neglect cases for the last 7 years. I’ve removed kids when they’ve ingested their parents drugs, both legal and illicit. I’ve removed kids when they’ve been “accidentally” injured due to parents negligence in other ways. The 6 year old is dead and the 4 year old is injured by being responsible for his sisters death. I’ve removed kids when the environment has been dangerous and the parent has been negligent in removing the danger. |
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Post by DEX on Apr 13, 2019 21:33:20 GMT
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, in theory. I wish that were true. The death penalty has shown that not to be the case as a deterrent. I wonder if most people on death row would say, “If I had known I would face the death penalty I wouldn’t have done XYZ”. After the fact is too late. Irresponsibility, immaturity, mental capacity, and just an attitude of, “It won’t happen to me” appear to be the guiding principles in such cases I don't think anyone has suggested a death penalty charge. Locally a man was sentenced to 4 years when his daughter and a neighbor found a gun in their garage which discharged, mortally wounding the neighbor (9 or 10ish?). I bet more than a few people thought about how and where their own weapons were stored as this incident was reported. I was in no way advocating the death penalty in this case. I was merely pointing out that the death penalty, as a deterrent, has been ineffective. I was just opining as to whether jail time in this case would be a deterrent. Every City, County and State has their own laws. People are still irresponsible. In your instance I agree that the man should be punished. |
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