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Post by Skellinton on Apr 14, 2019 23:41:21 GMT
I thought the car seat thing too, but maybe he was a large 4 year old? He’d have to be a pretty big four year old. In MN kids need to be in at least a booster seat until they’re at least 80 pounds and 4’9” tall. My third grader is still not quite big enough to ditch the boosters! I was thinking the same thing. At 4 though he is probably able to unbuckle himself if the mother didn’t do it herself for some reason. I absolutely think she should face charges. I don’t have a personal idea of what punishment should be handed down, but she should be charged with something.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Apr 15, 2019 0:46:45 GMT
After listening to gun owners for the last two years, there seems to be no commercial, potential punishment, or potential tragedy that will convince them to voluntarily change their gun habits or, horrors, go through more strenuous purchasing/licensing procedures.
So charge and jail the mother for the boy's sake, so he knows that HE is not the one responsible for this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 5:38:32 GMT
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MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on Apr 15, 2019 6:46:28 GMT
I wasn't going to respond because it is a stupid question, but here goes. There are bad people out there who should be locked up either as a punishment or to keep the public safe. In this case, the police determined that they would not file charges. I assume they know better than I do as i have seen other cases in which the parent has been charged. I hope they have taken or she has given up any other guns. Charged or not, imo, would not stop the next one from happening. For me, in this case, I look at that child's needs rather than the need of the public for vengeance. The thing is, the people who do this stuff really *don’t* think it will happen to them. They just don’t, and no amount of publicity or punishment other people get for doing the exact same thing will make them get it. I personally know people like this, otherwise educated people who really should know better. Yet they just don’t get it that kids are curious and if they stumble on things like that unexpectedly, some kids WILL mess around with it and somebody could get seriously hurt or killed. And surprisingly enough, the one person’s young relative IS the kind of kid who would definitely play around with a gun if he found one hidden in the house somewhere. Without question, this particular kid would. It’s scary. They should not own guns. We took no chances. We bought a gun safe when I was pregnant. Kids do stupid things. Neither of us cared that there were guns accessible to us when we were kids and knew not to touch them and didn’t. There was no gaurantee our kids wouldn’t get an overly curious personality. And, kids do stupid things. I think proof of a gun safe should be required for anyone purchasing a gun. I also think people should lose their right to ever own a gun again, like this woman. If it’s her husband’s gun, he loses rights to gun ownership ever again, too. Kid takes their parents gun to school. Done. No more guns for the people in that family. Can’t secure them, you shouldn’t own them ever. Nobody needs to carry a gun in public, other than some type of law enforcement. Want to protect yourself in your own home, have at it. We have never felt that need. I think it’s simply more the idea that it is possible.
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Post by MsKnit on Apr 15, 2019 6:54:48 GMT
I’m done with kids being killed. I’ m done with mass murders of people just enjoying an evening out.
If people aren’t allowed to carry openly. If guns have to be transported to an activity and it is required that it be done responsibly—in a locked case, in the trunk—it will be clear that the guy with the gun is a bad guy and up to no good.
Any responsible gun owner should be angry as hell at what is going on, because it’s the idiots that are giving the lot a bad name. And, it’s the cycle that has allowed far too many irresponsible people to acquire guns.
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Post by cade387 on Apr 15, 2019 7:14:51 GMT
So why not abolish the penal system altogether? Since prison won’t make a difference? I wasn't going to respond because it is a stupid question, but here goes. There are bad people out there who should be locked up either as a punishment or to keep the public safe. In this case, the police determined that they would not file charges. I assume they know better than I do as i have seen other cases in which the parent has been charged. I hope they have taken or she has given up any other guns. Charged or not, imo, would not stop the next one from happening. For me, in this case, I look at that child's needs rather than the need of the public for vengeance. But why not charge the parents with a felony? They then lose their right own guns. They don’t have to serve any time but would be sure to not own guns again. They could petition to have rights restored in the future but would be dependent on a board approval (based on state requirements).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 11:22:59 GMT
My biggest issue with this is why in the heck did the gun have a round in the chamber and not on safe? ?? We have two hand guns and serves hunting guns in our home. They are not in a safe BUT the bolts for all the rifles are in a small safe and ammo for the two hand guns are secured. The biggest problem I see is that any ole joe can go buy a gun with no understanding of the responsibility or training! Can’t even do that with a car. Both my husband and I are prior military and have drilled in our kids heads the dangers of weapons, All but our 9 yr old has fired a .22 rifle but even before they were allowed my husband spent many hours going over safely rules ( muzzle awareness even if unloaded) and breaking down the weapon. Even A well experienced person is not aware of the things that can go wrong when firing but need to know what to do!or not to do! Case point: just last month I was firing our AR in an indoor gun range, guess Winchester ammo we had just purchased was double loaded causing the round to explode destroying the weapon. I was lucky but had my safety gear, and I KNEW what to do. Put it on safe and retrieve a gun Smith to assure the round had been ejected from chamber. All for gun rights BUT damn it have something in place to insure that it is not in the hands of an idiot. We are taught not to leave knives and pills in reach of children! Leaving a loaded gun around is STUPID! IF down range during WAR you do not even have your weapon chambered while on the FOB. Why the heck would you do it here state side? If you are not well trained enough to lock and load to save your life then you should train until you can OR do with out a gun!
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 12:05:13 GMT
I think if an adult wants to be responsible for the ownership of a tool for killing, then they need to be responsible and held responsible for it.
I don’t believe for one second that charging irresponsible parents for their role in their childrens’ deaths at the hands of their “responsibly owned” tools for killing would NOT deter anyone else from being as cavalier and completely irresponsible.
Because THAT is the problem with guns in America. It isn’t that laws don’t work. It’s that the American society attitude and beliefs regarding your so-called right to bear arms is more ingrained and valued than common sense or human life. Until Americans start acting like responsible humans who care about human lives, your gun violence will not change.
Collectively, you treat guns like they are toys and you are children having temper tantrums while normal adults try to reason with you.
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Post by ddly on Apr 15, 2019 12:09:29 GMT
Regardless to your opinions on whether or not Mom deserves a consequence, it’s a very sad and unfortunate thing.
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 12:17:25 GMT
In 2017, Americans who died due to guns:
144 active duty police officers were killed Approx 1000 active duty military across the world And, 2462 SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN DIED.
In America, police officers and military active duty personnel are LESS LIKELY to DIE DUE TO GUN VIOLENCE than a school aged child is.
That is fucked.
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Post by disneypal on Apr 15, 2019 12:36:25 GMT
Sorry - I have not read this whole thread I HATE guns - HATE them. However, that said, I know a lot of people carry them for (as I most often hear) protection. It is their privilege to do so and if that is a person's choice, and I don't have an issue with that. I just don't want them in my house/car/workplace/etc. My dad always carried a gun in his car but he required it for his job (law enforcement) and he always had guns in the house, from the time we were young we knew where they were and knew not to touch them - he explained why and we were never even tempted to mess with them - we were actually afraid of them. In this case, I feel for the mother. My heart breaks for her. She may be a singe mom (for all I know) and thinks she needs a gun to protect her and her kids (not sure why she felt she needed it but that isn't for me to judge). It sounds like her car quit working, she gout out to take a look and then her son shot & killed her daughter. She was so used to that gun being there, she was distraught that her car was broken down, she wasn't thinking..."oh I better get the gun away from the kids before I find out what was wrong" - her mind was on the issue at hand, the broken down car. Do I think she should have had a gun in the car? No, but it was most likely legal to do so. Do I think she should have left the gun alone with her kids? Of course not, but she didn't leave them and walk away, she was right by the car checking it out. I can only imagine the horror her entire family is going through.
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