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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 13:29:53 GMT
The “Last Week Tonight” host said the family loves to use the wealth it has reaped from Purdue Pharma, a major opioid manufacturer, to put its name on things including museums and galleries. “Not bad for a family whose very name sounds like a Hamburglar-like villain that steals testicles,” he said. ”‘Oh no! The Sackler came in the middle of the night and now my penis is shivering!’” Oliver said that while the Sacklers like putting their names on things, “they’ve been miraculously good” at keeping it off the opioid crisis. But he’s trying to change that.
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 13:32:01 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users?
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Post by trollie on Apr 15, 2019 13:46:57 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs.
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 13:48:26 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking.
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Post by busy on Apr 15, 2019 13:55:38 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Because, among other things, they marketed it to physicians in ways that encouraged irresponsible prescribing. They did nothing for a very long time in the face of overwhelming evidence that addictions to their drug were skyrocketing. And then they profited off anti-addiction meds. It’s a complicated situation but the choices of Purdue and the Sackler family have been really questionable.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 15, 2019 13:58:00 GMT
Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking. Link to article from FORBES. The drug OxyContin was incorrectly marketed as being far safer than its predecessor Ocycodone, leading it to be prescribed for many more types of patients.
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Post by busy on Apr 15, 2019 13:58:19 GMT
Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking. “That was in 2008, one year after Purdue pleaded guilty to a felony and agreed to stop misrepresenting the addictive potential of its highly profitable painkiller, OxyContin.” www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/lawsuit-details-how-the-sackler-family-allegedly-built-an-oxycontin-fortune/amp/
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 14:00:03 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Because, among other things, they marketed it to physicians in ways that encouraged irresponsible prescribing. They did nothing for a very long time in the face of overwhelming evidence that addictions to their drug were skyrocketing. And then they profited off anti-addiction meds. It’s a complicated situation but the choices of Purdue and the Sackler family have been really questionable. I’ve been reading about the opioid crisis for several years now and it is so complicated (and heartbreaking, I too have lost a family member). It seems like the guilt falls on many shoulders above the actual addicts. An entire systemic problem. If there are actual individuals responsible for amoral decisions I’d hope they could be held accountable — it would be great if those profits could somehow be redirected towards recovery, for example. Thanks for explaining some of the background
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Post by trollie on Apr 15, 2019 14:00:06 GMT
Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking. Not sure. Would be interesting to see internal documents and memos... Don't think for one moment that pharmaceutical companies have your (general you) best interests at heart. Like everything else, it's all about the Benjamins.
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 14:02:03 GMT
oh yikes, yes, there are definitely some questionable practices there. Pushing to prescribe for profit is likely never going to lead to good choices. How awful
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Post by ashley on Apr 15, 2019 14:05:14 GMT
Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking. Link to article from FORBES. The drug OxyContin was incorrectly marketed as being far safer than its predecessor Ocycodone, leading it to be prescribed for many more types of patients. But then I read this one and wonder, did they know the new version could be crushed up and snorted? I suppose pharma companies should have teams dedicated to considering potential means of drug abuse.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 15, 2019 14:37:11 GMT
Link to article from FORBES. The drug OxyContin was incorrectly marketed as being far safer than its predecessor Ocycodone, leading it to be prescribed for many more types of patients. But then I read this one and wonder, did they know the new version could be crushed up and snorted? I suppose pharma companies should have teams dedicated to considering potential means of drug abuse. Considering they pushed the FDA aggressively to approve it in record time, perhaps they should have spent a bit more time researching these things before rushing to get it on the market so they could cash in on it.
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Post by busy on Apr 15, 2019 14:49:40 GMT
Link to article from FORBES. The drug OxyContin was incorrectly marketed as being far safer than its predecessor Ocycodone, leading it to be prescribed for many more types of patients. But then I read this one and wonder, did they know the new version could be crushed up and snorted? I suppose pharma companies should have teams dedicated to considering potential means of drug abuse. People have been crushing and snorting pills since at least the ‘60s. This shouldn’t be a surprise.
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Post by basketdiva on Apr 15, 2019 14:51:14 GMT
I understand the part the company has played in the opioid issue but why are we not hearing about the doctor's responsibility in the epidemic? It's not like this epidemic happened overnight, so why are they a target of investigation for over prescribing.
Is there any sort of national database that monitors a person's purchase of the drugs? I know in my state I have to be entered into a database search for my Sudafed purchases so why not a database for powerful drugs.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 15, 2019 14:55:05 GMT
I understand the part the company has played in the opioid issue but why are we not hearing about the doctor's responsibility in the epidemic? It's not like this epidemic happened overnight, so why are they a target of investigation for over prescribing. Is there any sort of national database that monitors a person's purchase of the drugs? I know in my state I have to be entered into a database search for my Sudafed purchases so why not a database for powerful drugs. Watch the linked piece in the OP, it somewhat explains how the ball was dropped by those who were supposed to be monitoring and controlling the dispensing of the drug.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 15, 2019 16:00:58 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Yes, they have.
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Post by mrssmith on Apr 15, 2019 17:45:42 GMT
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Post by missmiss on Apr 15, 2019 18:01:55 GMT
Interesting read here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2622774/From the paper: A lucrative bonus system encouraged sales representatives to increase sales of OxyContin in their territories, resulting in a large number of visits to physicians with high rates of opioid prescriptions, as well as a multifaceted information campaign aimed at them. In 2001, in addition to the average sales representative's annual salary of $55 000, annual bonuses averaged $71 500, with a range of $15 000 to nearly $240 000. Purdue paid $40 million in sales incentive bonuses to its sales representatives that year.19 From 1996 to 2000, Purdue increased its internal sales force from 318 sales representatives to 671, and its total physician call list from approximately 33 400 to 44 500 to approximately 70 500 to 94 000 physicians.19 Through the sales representatives, Purdue used a patient starter coupon program for OxyContin that provided patients with a free limited-time prescription for a 7- to 30-day supply. By 2001, when the program was ended, approximately 34 000 coupons had been redeemed nationally.19 The distribution to health care professionals of branded promotional items such as OxyContin fishing hats, stuffed plush toys, and music compact discs (“Get in the Swing With OxyContin”) was unprecedented for a schedule II opioid, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration.19
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Post by shevy on Apr 15, 2019 18:06:21 GMT
My Mom was a nurse for 40 years - both patient care, phone triage and scheduling. Our house always had pens, pencils, note pads, oven pads, glasses, key chains, containers, lunch bags, etc with pharmaceutical names on them. She's been retied for 7 years and every pen in her kitchen is still a medication pen.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 15, 2019 18:38:20 GMT
Thats the piece I’ve read, also internal memos I’ve seen quoted are pretty disgusting. I don’t feel sorry for them at all.
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Post by purplebee on Apr 15, 2019 18:53:24 GMT
One of my favorite museum exhibits happens to be The Temple of Dendur in the Sackler Wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. I have been visiting it for over 40 years. After reading the above-mentioned article in the New Yorker when it was published, I am not so sure that I can ever go back. The Sacklers are vile....
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 15, 2019 19:43:54 GMT
Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking. Hopefully this link works. This podcast episode is helpful in understanding their role. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000431824503
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Post by inkedup on Apr 15, 2019 20:15:35 GMT
Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Did this company commit fraud in their belief the drugs aren’t addictive? I’m not familiar enough with this aspect to know, so I am asking. There is a great deal of evidence that they knowingly lied about the addictive qualities of the drugs they were producing.
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Post by Zee on Apr 15, 2019 20:21:47 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. Everyone knew they were addictive. What the medical field did was change the definition of "addicted" to "tolerance" and made pain the 5th vital sign and insisted on opioids bring made available for everyone's pain. That included making pain assessment "what the patient says it is, not how they appear" so that patients eating pizza, talking on the phone, and rolling their IVs outside to smoke could say their pain was level 10 and get drugs. Of course, not every doctor followed this to a T and some people didn't get opioids, but the push was from the medical field AND pharmaceuticals to treat everyone's pain and it seemed no one started with Tylenol. I graduated from nursing school in 1998 and this was very much stressed to us at that time. Most of us smelled bullshit that an across-the-board approach was needed for everyone, but when guidelines and protocols are created, you end up having to follow them.
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Post by Zee on Apr 15, 2019 20:24:16 GMT
My Mom was a nurse for 40 years - both patient care, phone triage and scheduling. Our house always had pens, pencils, note pads, oven pads, glasses, key chains, containers, lunch bags, etc with pharmaceutical names on them. She's been retied for 7 years and every pen in her kitchen is still a medication pen. They pretty much stopped the free pen/etc gravy train, dammit. Few and far between due to decreased budgets and federal guidelines about gifts. I treasured my Vytorin pen. Such smooth flowing ink.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 20:27:05 GMT
This family made billions off the pain suffering and addiction of America's children and adults.
They have been vaunted for decades.
Two-bit pushers who get you addicted go to jail. The Sacklers go to society functions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 21:21:42 GMT
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Post by h2ohdog on Apr 24, 2019 18:55:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 21:09:04 GMT
As soon as I read anything about the opioid crisis, I cringe, because I'm a pain patient who depends on opioids. I fear that any changes with opioids takes into consideration the large number of truly disabled people who go through the proper channels and testing to get their opioid Rx's.
I go to a pain mgmt doctor who used to see me monthly (for a few years) & now it's every 3 months. He checks my blood/urine and sees me for a consultation. He takes my blood pressure and talks to me. The goal is to be off of pain meds, depending on your physical situation. I CANNOT take more than I'm given or I'm short at the end of the month, so my meds are precious to me. I'm careful with my diet and lifestyle.
As for people who abuse opioids, yes, something should be done, but I believe it should start with the dentists who hand out pain meds like it's candy. I've NEVER had pain meds until recently--not even after major surgeries and living with pain. Too many dentists and doctors are not doing their due diligence and they're handing them out too freely.
I've said it here before that my DS29 lost more than HALF of his high school graduating class to ODing. That's a tragedy. My son could have been one of them, but he pulled himself out of it (with much help from his family). So, I am compassionate to those who lost loved ones to ODing, but this whole topic has to be handled with thought and care.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 21:12:24 GMT
Why should the family be vilified over their company’s products? Have they contributed towards abuse of their drugs by users? Because pharmaceutical companies testified in the past that opioids were not addictive. Because the pharmaceutical companies were doing nothing to curb the abuse of these drugs, even when large amounts of opioids were being shipped to populations that couldn't possibly be consuming the amount of opioids that were being distributed in those areas. They knew there were issues and did nothing and made a fortune off the abuse of these drugs. I knew about the certain States where the pharmacies were given MUCH more than the # of people that lived there, so that's terrible and should have been a huge red flag!
I didn't know about pharmaceutical companies testifying that opioids were not addictive. Do you have any links or reference to that?? I've been on them for about 6 years now and I've never heard that. I've always been advised of how serious the meds were and what possible side effects were (addiction was one of them & has always been clearly written in the handout with the Rx). Thanks!
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