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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 21:08:45 GMT
Liar, liar, pants on fire!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:13:14 GMT
Michelle Wolf joking about Sanders' lies during her roast at the 2018 WHCA dinner: "I actually really like Sarah. I think she’s very resourceful. But she burns facts and then she uses that ash to create a perfect smokey eye," Wolf said in her roast. Proud Ouachita Bible University grad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:16:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:30:47 GMT
Yeah, WOMEN are too emotional. But Barr gives POTUS a pass cuz he had teh madz.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 18, 2019 21:31:26 GMT
Criminal obstruction does not require success in implementation. No such thing. What it requires is corrupt endeavor irrespective of how the scheme unfolded. I think if that were actually the case then Mueller would have been able to nail Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:45:04 GMT
Criminal obstruction does not require success in implementation. No such thing. What it requires is corrupt endeavor irrespective of how the scheme unfolded. I think if that were actually the case then Mueller would have been able to nail Trump. Mueller was going by DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting prez. Leaving it to Congress to impeach so he could be indicted thereafter.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 21:46:46 GMT
Criminal obstruction does not require success in implementation. No such thing. What it requires is corrupt endeavor irrespective of how the scheme unfolded. I think if that were actually the case then Mueller would have been able to nail Trump. The only reason he hasn’t been indicted is because he’s a sitting president. Any other Joe would already either be in a plea bargain or awaiting trial.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 18, 2019 21:49:22 GMT
If I am reading analyses correctly, Mueller didn’t think that he could charge Trump because of DOJ guidelines. This is from the WaPo:
“The real story on obstruction
Ever since we found out Mueller had neither accused nor exonerated Trump of obstruction of justice, the question was why. Was it because:
The evidence was so inconclusive, or Existing Justice Department guidelines say a sitting president can’t be indicted? At a news conference before the report was released, Barr suggested it was the former. That would be better for Trump, because it would suggest his conduct wasn’t clearly criminal.
But the report is much more nuanced on this point. In fact, it seems Mueller decided he could clear Trump of obstruction, if warranted, but that he couldn’t accuse him because of those DOJ guidelines.
In saying why it didn’t make a “traditional prosecutorial judgment,” Mueller cites that policy but not the inconclusiveness of the evidence. He does, however, cite that evidence when explaining why he didn’t clear Trump:
... If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
Mueller didn’t accuse Trump of a crime, in large part, because he didn’t think he could — and not necessarily because the evidence was so inconclusive. That’s hugely significant, because it takes some sting out of the argument that Mueller didn’t find a crime — or, as Trump has claimed, “totally exonerated” him.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:54:52 GMT
trump...
”Donald Trump was being framed, he fought back. That is not Obstruction.” @jessebwatters I had the right to end the whole Witch Hunt if I wanted. I could have fired everyone, including Mueller, if I wanted. I chose not to. I had the RIGHT to use Executive Privilege. I didn’t!”
Nixon thought pretty much the same thing and look what happened to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:55:12 GMT
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 18, 2019 22:33:40 GMT
Criminal obstruction does not require success in implementation. No such thing. What it requires is corrupt endeavor irrespective of how the scheme unfolded. I think if that were actually the case then Mueller would have been able to nail Trump. Have you actually looked at any of the report. Mueller lays out a pretty damn good case for obstruction. He didn’t “nail” trump because DOJ policy says you can’t indict a sitting president. If you read the section regarding charging decisions it’s pretty clear he intended Congress to take up the issue of obstruction. Barr’s representation have been twisted at best and down right false at worst
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 22:39:18 GMT
Wonder how Schiff will proceed? Must be hard to know the person sitting next to you is passing all the info on.... So it was not all Nunes! Were he a true patriot, McConnell would take action against Burr. Sen. Mark Warner (vice chair) is the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee serving with Burr. I'm sure Warner is pissed! Thank you, I just fixed it to Warner... Too much typing this morning.........
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 22:45:34 GMT
Ha ha ha...KellyAnne is on fox saying the press should apologize to them!!!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 22:51:42 GMT
Rudy is at it again! President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani told Hill.TV on Thursday that special counsel Robert Mueller's report took a "cheap shot" at the president, calling Mueller's findings "one-sided." "The report is one-sided, it has an incredible standard of proof. It's that 'we couldn't be convinced that he didn't obstruct justice,' " Giuliani told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton and Krystal Ball. "Can you prove that he did? That answer is, no they can't," Giuliani continued. "That is like a cheap shot, but if they can't prove it, why don't they just regurgitate all the garbage that they have? It's all one-sided, a lot of it not true, a lot of it exaggerated." "Even if it's all true, which it isn't, he didn't commit a crime. He didn't do anything wrong," he said, adding that Trump's legal team would wait to release a rebuttal to Mueller's report. ** thehill.com/hilltv/rising/439577-giuliani-says-muellers-report-took-a-cheap-shot-at-trumpHe did lots wrong, however each thing did not equal a crime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 22:57:15 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2019 1:21:31 GMT
Who is “they”? That’s not something that came up in the report, is it? sorry for not getting back to you right away and not being more clear. In and out of naps after dental procedure. It wasn't in Mueller report (to my knowledge) I don't have a link but read it more than once somewhere(s) that an insider (CIA I think) said it was probably why he wasn't charged yet. so take it with a grain of salt. I just found it an odd almost humorous way of finding no intent. stupidity. And sorry, it took me even longer to get back to the thread. Thanks. That’s what I was thinking ... general “they,” not anything that was an official statement. I just wanted to make sure. I don’t know if he’s stupid or not, but he is a total putz!
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2019 1:33:40 GMT
Ha ha ha...KellyAnne is on fox saying the press should apologize to them!!!! Meanwhile, George Conway is busy retweeting loads of news stories about Trump aides covering for him/fixing things for him/lying for him/in a panic!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 1:51:36 GMT
Ha ha ha...KellyAnne is on fox saying the press should apologize to them!!!! Meanwhile, George Conway is busy retweeting loads of news stories about Trump aides covering for him/fixing things for him/lying for him/in a panic! I ❤️ George!!!
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 19, 2019 3:15:55 GMT
BARR SUMMARY: "In cataloguing the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitutes obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent…”
MUELLER REPORT: ** "The President launched public attacks on the investigation and individuals involved in it who could possess evidence adverse to the President, while in private the President engaged in a series of targeted efforts to control the investigation."
** “President Trump ... engaged in efforts to curtail the special counsel's investigation and the disclosure of evidence to it, including through public and private contacts with potential witnesses.”
** "Many of the president’s acts directed at witnesses, including discouragement of cooperation with the government and suggestions of possible future pardons, occurred in public view."
** "Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels."
Boy, Bill Barr really sucks at summarizing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 4:18:29 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 11:59:18 GMT
Yep...he sure did.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Apr 19, 2019 12:33:26 GMT
Okay, I've read it.
I thought the situation was bad, but to have it all laid out..... Man, it's damning.
But, what will come of it?
Those who already know that Trump's behavior is unpresidential will probably feel validated and sucker punched all at once.
How do Trump supporters feel? If you are a supporter, have you read the redacted report? Are you willing to accept his unethical behavior? Do you still want him as your president? Will you vote for him again?
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 19, 2019 12:46:23 GMT
“Like an impeachment referral.” Reading the report, it’s evident that was Mueller’s intent, not for Barr to make a formal DOJ exoneration of Trump on obstruction. It’s no surprise that some on Mueller’s team leaked their displeasure to associates on the misrepresentations and conclusions by Barr. And it’s equally not surprising that he would hold that propaganda masquerading as a press conference yesterday. And what a crock of sh*t that conference was – “As the special counsel’s report acknowledges, there is substantial evidence to show that the president was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents, and fueled by illegal leaks.” The report acknowledged no such thing. In effect, Barr is saying there is no corrupt intent here, folks; telling the public to view the report in that context. That whatever Trump may have done, he did them because of these "sincere" beliefs. That's a trick defense attys employ - scrubbing the dirt from the criminal motive by reframing it as an understandable and human reaction to outside forces. Yet, the actual report laid it all out, not just the context, but every single instance of obstruction, the corrupt motives, the “nexus to a pending proceeding,” all of which satisfy the three-prong requirement of obstruction. Barr is a disgrace. His bamboozling of the public was intentional. Thank goodness the public still knows how to read.
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Post by casii on Apr 19, 2019 13:00:48 GMT
Okay, I've read it. I thought the situation was bad, but to have it all laid out..... Man, it's damning. But, what will come of it? Those who already know that Trump's behavior is unpresidential will probably feel validated and sucker punched all at once. How do Trump supporters feel? If you are a supporter, have you read the redacted report? Are you willing to accept his unethical behavior? Do you still want him as your president? Will you vote for him again? I haven't read the whole thing, but my thought is that while the Senate is still GOP controlled, they are willing to overlook anything (ANYTHING) in order to retain power. In other words, we're fucked and I never say fucked and here I am saying fucked 3 times in one sentence.
I suspect Trump supporters will feel how their favorite Fox personalities tell them they should feel. I haven't asked my father and I won't, but when Trump was first elected, he point blank said he did not care if Russians interfered, he was still glad Trump was president and not "Killary". I would love to be wrong. Mueller clearly found sufficient evidence of multiple incidences of attempted obstruction. A regular Joe would be in jail. Mueller intended that Congress should decide. Will they?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 13:05:02 GMT
It didn't take long for trump to start denouncing McGahn! I wondered how long it would take for him to be relegated down to "coffee boy" LOL!
Of course trump remains delusional today.
So far, he has blamed Obama, Democrats, "Angry Leftists", "note taking lawyers" for his lying.
Sarah Sanders has also blamed the Democrats for her lies. But what is funny is that she, for weeks, has been calling the Democrats "radical, crazy, etc." yet now we are unfeeling, flat robots. What a fucking bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:11:43 GMT
It IS an impeachment referral. Thank you Bob Mueller.
I think the dems in the House will begin impeachment proceedings, but it will take a while. First they want the background materials so they can see some of the source documents for themselves. Then they will want to have Mueller before them for Q&A - some probably behind closed doors.
And let's not forget the other 12-14 matters out to other jurisdictions for follow-up there.
Patience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:28:00 GMT
What about Jr?
"HERE WE GO AGAIN. You ready? When we last left off, we were about to dive into the part of the Mueller report about how Donald Trump Jr. is too stupid to be indicted. And we ... kinda agree with Bob Mueller? But we kinda don't? And we think it's real fuckin' interesting that Mueller didn't interview Donald Trump or his son or anybody else in the family? But we're also curious about all those cases Mueller referred to other jurisdictions, especially the 12 of them that are REDACTED, and wonder what shoes are still gonna drop for people?"
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Post by jayfab on Apr 19, 2019 13:42:37 GMT
Okay, I've read it. I thought the situation was bad, but to have it all laid out..... Man, it's damning. But, what will come of it? Those who already know that Trump's behavior is unpresidential will probably feel validated and sucker punched all at once. How do Trump supporters feel? If you are a supporter, have you read the redacted report? Are you willing to accept his unethical behavior? Do you still want him as your president? Will you vote for him again? I'm not a supporter but I'll answer based on my facebook feed: How do Trump supporters feel? MAGA2020If you are a supporter, have you read the redacted report? Can't say if they read it. Are you willing to accept his unethical behavior? YESDo you still want him as your president? YESWill you vote for him again? HELL YES
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 19, 2019 14:07:42 GMT
Okay, I've read it. I thought the situation was bad, but to have it all laid out..... Man, it's damning. But, what will come of it? Those who already know that Trump's behavior is unpresidential will probably feel validated and sucker punched all at once. How do Trump supporters feel? If you are a supporter, have you read the redacted report? Are you willing to accept his unethical behavior? Do you still want him as your president? Will you vote for him again? I'm not a supporter but I'll answer based on my facebook feed: How do Trump supporters feel? MAGA2020If you are a supporter, have you read the redacted report? Can't say if they read it. Are you willing to accept his unethical behavior? YESDo you still want him as your president? YESWill you vote for him again? HELL YESWTH. How this country can impeach a president for lying about being fellated by an intern, yet legitimize and support another for a brazen scheme of repeatedly thwarting a federal investigation and welcoming and encouraging foreign intrusion into our election, is already beyond my level of understanding. I suppose the best method for future presidents intent on committing crimes is simply to install your own fixer in the DOJ.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 14:13:08 GMT
linkLawFare did their analysis of the Mueller Report. This is one of them. This one part really describes trump and his family to the “T”. ”No, Mueller did not find a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and no, he did not conclude that President Trump had obstructed justice. But Mueller emphatically did not find that there had been “no collusion” either. Indeed, he described in page after damning page a dramatic pattern of Russian outreach to figures close to the president, including to Trump’s campaign and his business; Mueller described receptivity to this outreach on the part of those figures; he described a positive eagerness on the part of the Trump campaign to benefit from illegal Russian activity and that of its cutouts; he described serial lies about it all. And he describes as well a pattern of behavior on the part of the president in his interactions with law enforcement that is simply incompatible with the president’s duty to “take care” that the laws are “faithfully executed”—a pattern Mueller explicitly declined to conclude did not obstruct justice.“ In trump world, you do whatever you have to do to win. Even if it means partnering with an enemy of this country. Because you got to win baby win. I do believe Russia wanted that meeting at trump tower to feel out the trumps, but walked away because they felt they were too dumb to pull off what Russia wanted. Instead they stuck to their original plan without trump & company. I also believe if the Russians had made some offer, trump and company would have accepted it if it meant they would “win”!
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