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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 24, 2019 11:26:30 GMT
I struggled with a title to this one. But Peas, this is what I’m doing. I turned 40 this year. I am volunteering for the Parkgate Pregnancy Clinic in Tupelo, MS. They need diaper bags. Let me tell you a little bit about Parkgate tho. They are a clinic that’s helps women choose what they are going to do with their pregnancy. The girl comes in and they offer a pregnancy test and a sonogram. They also share the gospel with her in her counseling session. If she chooses abortion, she has to go to a different clinic. They do not perform them there. If she chooses life, whether she keeps the baby or puts him/her up for adoption, they counsel the girl and her young man if he wants to. They go through parenting classes. If they choose adoption, they stay with the young woman through the whole process. Parkgate is in need of diaper bags for those that choose life. It’s my goal to provide 40. I partnered with a Thirty one Consultant friend of mine and we are trying to reach our goal! If you would like to donate, it’s $30 and my PayPal is izzy1327@gmail.com. Just please let me know in the notes that you are a Pea and that you donated! This is not a discussion on pro abortion or pro life. It’s just something I’m opening up to the Peas because I would love to reach my goal and help the clinic!
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Post by mustlovecats on Apr 24, 2019 11:47:47 GMT
I struggled with a title to this one. But Peas, this is what I’m doing. I turned 40 this year. I am volunteering for the Parkgate Pregnancy Clinic in Tupelo, MS. They need diaper bags. Let me tell you a little bit about Parkgate tho. They are a clinic that’s helps women choose what they are going to do with their pregnancy. The girl comes in and they offer a pregnancy test and a sonogram. They also share the gospel with her in her counseling session. If she chooses abortion, she has to go to a different clinic. They do not perform them there. If she chooses life, whether she keeps the baby or puts him/her up for adoption, they counsel the girl and her young man if he wants to. They go through parenting classes. If they choose adoption, they stay with the young woman through the whole process. Parkgate is in need of diaper bags for those that choose life. It’s my goal to provide 40. I partnered with a Thirty one Consultant friend of mine and we are trying to reach our goal! If you would like to donate, it’s $30 and my PayPal is izzy1327@gmail.com. Just please let me know in the notes that you are a Pea and that you donated! This is not a discussion on pro abortion or pro life. It’s just something I’m opening up to the Peas because I would love to reach my goal and help the clinic! Everything about a “pregnancy clinic” is a discussion on pro choice or pro life.
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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 24, 2019 11:51:43 GMT
Ok well that’s not why I started the thread. If y’all want to talk about it, that’s fine. I can’t stop you. Ha. But I can’t participate! 😁
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Post by ashley on Apr 24, 2019 11:51:59 GMT
I’d probably also donate to the women who make the harder choice too.
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Post by kelly8875 on Apr 24, 2019 12:40:39 GMT
I’d probably also donate to the women who make the harder choice too. What is the “harder” choice is going to be different for everyone. Some abortion is a hard choice, some keeping the baby is the hard choice, and some adoption is the hard choice. I think what you’re doing to help is very nice!
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 24, 2019 14:33:46 GMT
Nope, I cannot donate for this. I could just scroll by but really, I think asking for people here to donate to what is basically your religious POV and your choice to reward pregnant women who choose your religious view with a free tote bag is just over the top for me.
Many people may think it is so awesome and nice but I don't. I think generally peas are pretty tolerant of other points of view, but I imagine a fair number have chosen abortion or know someone close who has in the decades since it has been legal, and maybe even before then when it wasn't. So when you post asking for donations to fill 31 tote bags for only certain people then you lose me. Of course I knew which way your post was going early on when you said they provide the sonogram - the old "there is your baby's heart beat and little features already a person" manipulation. Mothers who choose LIFE - was that emphasis needed? I think not.
Don't come here and say your post isn't for discussion, it's just for people to donate.
Sorry.
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Post by lurkyloo on Apr 24, 2019 14:46:24 GMT
Women who choose pregnancy (more accurate than mothers who choose life) when they are in crisis, unprepared, and otherwise unable to procure a diaper bag within the 8 remaining months...I’m not sure they should bring children into the world?
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 24, 2019 15:36:11 GMT
Good luck on your quest. I am always happy to see people trying to help those who need it. There are many ways to help many diverse organizations and people. I am glad there are people who support organizations who make a difference in someone’s life and help people who voluntarily choose to get their help. I also think that posting this thread is no different than any other thread. Some will hate it, some will love it, some will skip it, and some will read it when they should have just skipped it. What do you do? There would be very little activity on this board if people give in to the pressures of what they should or should not post. As long as it is not harming someone or overly offensive (although that is kind of subjective) I say go forth and post...but also prepare yourself for how the thread may go or the twist and turns that it may take. While my donation budget is limited and there are other organizations and causes that I am more aligned with, I commend you for trying to make a difference and hope that you can meet your goal.
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Post by rodeomom on Apr 24, 2019 15:46:20 GMT
Putting aside the debate of pro-birth or pro-choice, and overlooking this gem "They also share the gospel with her in her counseling session". I think a new mother would need diapers more than a $30 bag. You can find them a lot cheaper at walmart.
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Post by withapea on Apr 24, 2019 15:54:33 GMT
Mississippi has only one clinic in the entire state that provides abortion care, it's called Pink House. A quick search shows many "pregnancy centers" located throughout the state. Mississippi has the highest infant mortality rate and the maternal mortality rate isn't so hot either. Mississippi is the poorest state and also ranks 49th in health and education. Seems like there are a lot of underserved in there and I won't knock anyone who wants to help them but there are definitely options in the way that help is offered.
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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 24, 2019 16:52:56 GMT
Ok well I get it. Don’t worry about the diaper bags.
What they do is they give the young girls and boyfriends or husbands or whatever the case may be...parenting classes. At the beginning of the class they get the free diaper bag. Every class they come to they get to get free baby things from the baby closet. Whether it be diapers or clothes or blankets or whatever.
I get that there are a lot of people who chose abortion. There are a lot of people pro choice. I understand that. I have several friends who have chosen abortion and that’s their choice. I don’t love them any less. We talk about it if they want to...or we don’t if they don’t.
What I don’t understand is that if your pro choice and the pro lifers are supposed to respect that. Then why don’t the pro choice respect the pro lifers? It’s ultimately a young, well any age woman’s choice.
I posted about diaper bags for those who choose life. Because we are trying to help in ways that we can should they choose life. If they choose abortion, we don’t love anyone any less.
I didn’t mean for it to be anything but a diaper bag drive. I understand that there is a lot of other ways to get diaper bags and a lot of other things that they need. I understand that this is small in the huge picture for these women.
I was just trying to help how I could.
You can comment how you like. Or debate if you want to. I honestly was just trying to get help to reach my goal for these women.
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Post by Linda on Apr 24, 2019 16:59:42 GMT
I appreciate your desire to help women facing a unplanned pregnancy to get a diaper bag. I just think that this particular drive benefits the consultant more than the women in question and that there are better ways for ME to spend my donation money. For $30 I can get a diaper bag at Walmart and fill it with a pack of diapers and wipes.
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Post by muggins on Apr 24, 2019 17:03:18 GMT
Ok well I get it. Don’t worry about the diaper bags. What they do is they give the young girls and boyfriends or husbands or whatever the case may be...parenting classes. At the beginning of the class they get the free diaper bag. Every class they come to they get to get free baby things from the baby closet. Whether it be diapers or clothes or blankets or whatever. I get that there are a lot of people who chose abortion. There are a lot of people pro choice. I understand that. I have several friends who have chosen abortion and that’s their choice. I don’t love them any less. We talk about it if they want to...or we don’t if they don’t. What I don’t understand is that if your pro choice and the pro lifers are supposed to respect that. Then why don’t the pro choice respect the pro lifers? It’s ultimately a young, well any age woman’s choice. . Because pro-choice is not pro-abortion. It means allowing the woman to choose whether to continue the pregnancy or not. Hence the word choice in the title. Pro-life is a political and religious movement specifically dedicated to removing women’s right to choose. Taking that right away from women does not warrant any respect.
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Post by teri on Apr 24, 2019 17:08:08 GMT
heck I can't even justify spending my own money on myself for the 31 stuff. It's expensive. Your consultant is making all the money here and I'm sure you get something free too (hosting a sale)
sorry, but it's a no from me too
You could buy lots more bags at retail if it's really just about getting the center more bags.
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Post by rodeomom on Apr 24, 2019 17:08:49 GMT
Ok well I get it. Don’t worry about the diaper bags. What they do is they give the young girls and boyfriends or husbands or whatever the case may be...parenting classes. At the beginning of the class they get the free diaper bag. Every class they come to they get to get free baby things from the baby closet. Whether it be diapers or clothes or blankets or whatever. I get that there are a lot of people who chose abortion. There are a lot of people pro choice. I understand that. I have several friends who have chosen abortion and that’s their choice. I don’t love them any less. We talk about it if they want to...or we don’t if they don’t. What I don’t understand is that if your pro choice and the pro lifers are supposed to respect that. Then why don’t the pro choice respect the pro lifers? It’s ultimately a young, well any age woman’s choice. I posted about diaper bags for those who choose life. Because we are trying to help in ways that we can should they choose life. If they choose abortion, we don’t love anyone any less. I didn’t mean for it to be anything but a diaper bag drive. I understand that there is a lot of other ways to get diaper bags and a lot of other things that they need. I understand that this is small in the huge picture for these women. I was just trying to help how I could. You can comment how you like. Or debate if you want to. I honestly was just trying to get help to reach my goal for these women. I applaud your efforts to help these girls/woman I really do. We are always saying that pro-birthers just are pro-birth and not pro-life after the child is born. So I do like your efforts to help after the child is born. What I have trouble with is the preaching of your religion to these very vulnerable people. It reminds me of the Christian missionaries who converted the Native Americans. And I think that you may not love them any less if they choice abortion, but that is the end of the help you offer. I also think there might be pressure applied to these vulnerable people to choose birth.
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Post by likescarrots on Apr 24, 2019 17:14:37 GMT
I'll donate to planned Parenthood in honor of your birthday.
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Post by muggins on Apr 24, 2019 17:50:48 GMT
Interesting that ‘sharing the gospel’ isn’t mentioned anywhere on the website. Is that just a surprise freebie when vulnerable young women come looking for the ‘non- judgmental’ support? www.parkgateclinic.com/Default.aspx
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Post by 2marbles on Apr 24, 2019 17:59:03 GMT
I'll donate to planned Parenthood in honor of your birthday. Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 18:12:17 GMT
I'll donate to planned Parenthood in honor of your birthday. That's really a shitty thing to say and do.
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Post by likescarrots on Apr 24, 2019 18:23:35 GMT
I'll donate to planned Parenthood in honor of your birthday. That's really a shitty thing to say and do. why is it a shitty thing to do? OP is concerned about women being pregnant. Planned Parenthood provides services to all women, services that help them not get pregnant when they don't want to be, services that provide care when they are pregnant but can't afford a doctor. Only 3% of services provided by planned Parenthood are abortions, so why wouldn't OP be happy with a donation to an organization that does all that? Sounds like you've been brainwashed by a religion that doesn't want women to have agency over their own bodies.
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Post by ellen on Apr 24, 2019 18:27:42 GMT
Do they still send new moms home from the hospital with a can of formula in a diaper bag? I got that with both of my hospital stays and that was a very standard thing at the time.
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Post by rodeomom on Apr 24, 2019 18:30:24 GMT
I'll donate to planned Parenthood in honor of your birthday. That's really a shitty thing to say and do. Why! Planned Parenthood is a great organization with all kinds of help for women.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 18:30:46 GMT
Sounds like you've been brainwashed by a religion that doesn't want women to have agency over their own bodies No. I'm an atheist and I believe in the right to choose. I don't believe in being a miserable cow to someone else based on their beliefs.
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Post by likescarrots on Apr 24, 2019 18:57:40 GMT
Sounds like you've been brainwashed by a religion that doesn't want women to have agency over their own bodies No. I'm an atheist and I believe in the right to choose. I don't believe in being a miserable cow to someone else based on their beliefs. I mean, you sound like a miserable cow based on your posts in this thread, so I guess I'm in good company.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 19:18:26 GMT
Whatever you want to believe. You know you made that statement just to poke at the original post. You didn't make the donation out of charity (if you made it at all). You made the statement to be a bitch to the OP for having a different belief than you and to try to just make her feel some sort of anguish about a donation in her name to Planned Parenthood.
I don't love the original post. The intent is good, but I don't like the 31 element of it or the fact that the consultant (if not the OP herself) is going to benefit (and I believe it was probably the consultant's idea since a charity event is a frequent MLM ploy). But I believe the OP's heart is in the right place with her values and she was very clear about what the services were of the facility that she is supporting were in the first post. She wasn't trying to trick anyone into supporting something that goes against their beliefs. It's too bad that you had to turn it into something else. Make all the donations you want to Planned Parenthood. They do good work. But there is absolutely no need to crow about it here on this thread and more specifically to say that it was in the OP's name. That's the shitty part but you already knew that or you wouldn't have said it.
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Post by Linda on Apr 24, 2019 19:22:36 GMT
Do they still send new moms home from the hospital with a can of formula in a diaper bag? I got that with both of my hospital stays and that was a very standard thing at the time. at least in the US, hospitals have been moving away from the free formula giveaways (sponsored, of course, by formula companies) in favour of pushing breastfeeding. I think there are pros and cons to both approaches so not passing a value judgment but I wouldn't count on a free diaper bag at birth anymore.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 24, 2019 19:31:24 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks there has been an uptick in the number of "innocent" posts from conservatives? Did they send a bat signal out or something?
Anyway, OP, I'm going to presume your heart is in the right place and that you aren't just trying to passively aggressively stir up debate.
I don't think a diaper bag is really a useful tool to give a woman who has chosen to keep a baby she may not be financially, physically qnd/or emotionally prepared for. That woman needs shelter, good nutrition and prenatal care. She needs support once this child comes into the world. Help with childcare and access to medical care for her child. Food, shelter, diapers, wipes, formula, etc.
This type of charity seems hollow, especially because the consultant will benefit from it. I'm not sure, but I think jesus would prefer that you feed the children instead of give them a diaper bag.
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 24, 2019 19:45:42 GMT
What kind of support does the pregnancy clinic provide to those who choose to not go through with the pregnancy?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 24, 2019 20:03:25 GMT
Ok well I get it. Don’t worry about the diaper bags. What they do is they give the young girls and boyfriends or husbands or whatever the case may be...parenting classes. At the beginning of the class they get the free diaper bag. Every class they come to they get to get free baby things from the baby closet. Whether it be diapers or clothes or blankets or whatever. I get that there are a lot of people who chose abortion. There are a lot of people pro choice. I understand that. I have several friends who have chosen abortion and that’s their choice. I don’t love them any less. We talk about it if they want to...or we don’t if they don’t. What I don’t understand is that if your pro choice and the pro lifers are supposed to respect that. Then why don’t the pro choice respect the pro lifers? It’s ultimately a young, well any age woman’s choice. I posted about diaper bags for those who choose life. Because we are trying to help in ways that we can should they choose life. If they choose abortion, we don’t love anyone any less. I didn’t mean for it to be anything but a diaper bag drive. I understand that there is a lot of other ways to get diaper bags and a lot of other things that they need. I understand that this is small in the huge picture for these women. I was just trying to help how I could. You can comment how you like. Or debate if you want to. I honestly was just trying to get help to reach my goal for these women. You can choose to have a party to buy expensive bags for pregnant women who choose to continue on with their pregnancy. The consultant wins ($$$) the person having the party wins ($$$ free stuff), and the pregnancy girl wins (a diaper bag). If a woman comes to your clinic who decides to abort, she’s turned away. (No diaper bag, right?) I’m curious to know what YOUR gospel says about that. It’s a shame that there is an attack on PP, who wouldn’t turn either scenario away.
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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 24, 2019 20:37:05 GMT
Actually the consultant is helping me purchase the bags at her discount so I asked her to make double sure and she is not receiving any commission. I don’t receive any kind of credit for Thirty One.
If someone come to the clinic and is set on abortion she gets the same services as anyone else. They are not set up to provide abortions. But she has the same services as anyone else that comes to the clinic.
I know pro life/pro choice is a hot button topic around here. I wasn’t posting to debate it. I’ve done that before and I am learning that whether I believe it is right or wrong. Not even wrong. Just something I wouldn’t choose maybe....there’s no reason that I can’t respect your choice. It’s your choice. Just like my choice is my choice.
I’m trying to be so much more respectful of people’s choices. So anyway. I didn’t post to be mean or hateful or undermine anyone’s views. I really was just trying to help some women.
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