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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 1:46:46 GMT
linkBusiness Insider.. “Experts say Bernie Sanders' call to allow people in prisons to vote would cause a monumental shift in the US prison system”From the article.. ”Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday said all prisoners, regardless of their crimes, should be allowed to vote. His stance on this issue has sparked Republican ire and division among 2020 Democrats. While some criminal justice experts say the idea goes too far, others argue that the change could help improve the prison system.” For me the answer is absolutely not. When they get out and paid their debt to society yes, they should be allowed to vote. Either they have or haven’t paid their debt to society and if have then it means they can vote. To me this is a stunt Sanders is playing to stand out in the field of 20 candidates running for President. And it’s a stupid stunt IMO.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 29, 2019 2:00:24 GMT
For me the answer is absolutely not. When they get out and paid their debt to society yes, they should be allowed to vote. Either they have or haven’t paid their debt to society and if have then it means they can vote. Agreed. One issue is that they are not necessarily confined near where they live, which could skew the results locally. They could live out of state. They could be pressured to vote certain ways.......... |
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Post by trollie on Apr 29, 2019 2:01:02 GMT
No
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Post by busy on Apr 29, 2019 2:02:10 GMT
I don’t care one way or another, honestly. But I think we need massive criminal justice reform and I’d tackle many other issues under that umbrella (including restoring the right to vote for people after prison), before this.
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Post by ~summer~ on Apr 29, 2019 2:03:00 GMT
I think I would say yes. If they are a citizen and subject to our laws they should be able to vote.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 29, 2019 2:07:43 GMT
I voted Don’t Care. I really don’t. Society wants them to vote, fine. Society doesn’t want them to vote, also fine. I’m not getting worked up about this one way or the other. I do think that once they’ve served their time, they should be allowed to vote. THAT I’m willing to get worked up about. I think it’s awful what they’re doing in Florida to try to keep ex-cons from voting, even though the voters chose to extend voting rights. And I think this is not an issue Bernie needs to go out on a limb over.  |
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Post by pjaye on Apr 29, 2019 2:09:34 GMT
No.
They committed crimes and are being punished for those crimes, that punishment includes not being allowed to be an active part of our society for that time.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 29, 2019 2:13:27 GMT
My knee-jerk reaction is no, they shouldn't get to vote. You lose privileges when you commit crimes. But when I think about it, voting is a right of being an American, much like the right to free speech or the right to practice your religion, and they're still Americans, just incarcerated. So I can see his side.
I'll be following this thread to see if any arguments sway me more in one direction or the other because I don't know the arguments for and against it.
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Post by auntkelly on Apr 29, 2019 2:25:33 GMT
I don't think persons who are in prison should be allowed to vote. Once they get out, I feel they should be allowed to vote again.
Prisoners are deprived of many of their Constitutional rights while they are incarcerated-the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc. It's the price you pay when you commit a crime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 2:29:03 GMT
My knee-jerk reaction is no, they shouldn't get to vote. You lose privileges when you commit crimes. But when I think about it, voting is a right of being an American, much like the right to free speech or the right to practice your religion, and they're still Americans, just incarcerated. So I can see his side. I'll be following this thread to see if any arguments sway me more in one direction or the other because I don't know the arguments for and against it. The first I heard of this grand scheme of Sanders was this from Pence.. ”The same people who want to restrict the right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding citizens believe the Boston Marathon Bomber should be given the right to vote on death row. Well I’ve got news for you, @berniesanders, NOT on our watch!” So the question is, would you be ok with Boston Marathon Bomber voting while in prison? I checked and he is a naturalized citizen. |
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 29, 2019 2:31:35 GMT
I don't think persons who are in prison should be allowed to vote. Once they get out, I feel they should be allowed to vote again. Prisoners are deprived of many of their Constitutional rights while they are incarcerated-the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc. It's the price you pay when you commit a crime. Not trying to argue, but simply understand... losing the right to assemble and bear arms makes sense because it's directly contradictory to what incarnation is--loss of freedom to move about and losing arms is just common sense. Wouldn't voting be seen as not contradictory and pretty harmless compared? Much like freedom of speech or practicing religion which are not rights you lose? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 2:35:55 GMT
I voted Don’t Care. I really don’t. Society wants them to vote, fine. Society doesn’t want them to vote, also fine. I’m not getting worked up about this one way or the other. I do think that once they’ve served their time, they should be allowed to vote. THAT I’m willing to get worked up about. I think it’s awful what they’re doing in Florida to try to keep ex-cons from voting, even though the voters chose to extend voting rights. And I think this is not an issue Bernie needs to go out on a limb over. This is where I am at. Once they have served their sentence, they are supposed to be contributing to society ideally. Why should they not be allowed to vote after their sentence is complete? If they were allowed to vote while in prison, how would that work? Would they be voting via absentee ballot for the area their prison is in or for their hometown? |
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Post by carhoch on Apr 29, 2019 2:42:12 GMT
No but once’s they have payed their dette to society (done their time ,community service or whatever the judge ordonne them to do ) they should be allowed to vote again.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 29, 2019 2:42:39 GMT
Prisoners are dependent on their keepers. That is a huge group who could be coerced to vote one way or another for privileges or leniency.
No, they absolutely should not be allowed to vote. After they are released the voting privilege should be restored.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 29, 2019 2:55:49 GMT
I read today, somewhere, that even where they can't vote they are counted in the districts they came from/normally live.
So with the high rate of non-white prisoners it's another way that the voting districts, along with gerrymandering, are out of whack.
Double whammy generally in favor of the GOP.
I also agree with the thought that if votes from prisoners would throw an election, there just may be too many people incarcerated and a lot of things wrong with the system.
I was more in the no, not until they are our and paid their dues but now I'm not so sure I'm firmly there anymore. So much stinks in the prison system.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Apr 29, 2019 2:56:51 GMT
Due to the racial disparities in incarceration rates, I feel that allowing those in prison to vote is one step on the path to criminal justice reform, so I voted yes.
If I’m not mistaken, this is one of the reasons Bernie is bringing up the issue in his campaign.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 29, 2019 3:07:02 GMT
While IN prison? No. After, and once the complete probation and/or restitution, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 3:09:47 GMT
Just because there are more people of color in prison then white folks is not a good enough reason to let those in prison vote.
I don’t have a problem with prison reform, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to make voting part of that reform.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 29, 2019 3:14:38 GMT
Due to the racial disparities in incarceration rates, I feel that allowing those in prison to vote is one step on the path to criminal justice reform, so I voted yes. If I’m not mistaken, this is one of the reasons Bernie is bringing up the issue in his campaign. so you said it more succinctly.   |
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Post by PLurker on Apr 29, 2019 3:20:33 GMT
Just because there are more people of color in prison then white folks is not a good enough reason to let those in prison vote. I don’t have a problem with prison reform, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to make voting part of that reform. except it may be one of the main reasons they are there. And may be one of the catalysts to prison reform- if the power and money is taken away. I'm not sure prison reform would happen without the pros of the corruption being taken away to those profiting monetarily or power-wise. It's kind of a chicken/egg thing, to me. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 29, 2019 3:37:37 GMT
I think everyone should be compelled to vote. Like paying taxes it should be required.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 29, 2019 3:49:48 GMT
I voted no for a myriad of reasons, but I don't know enough about what goes on in a prison to know if some of my assumptions would be correct.
Where would they get their information on candidates and ballot measures?
What district would they be registered to vote? Their last address or where the prison is located?
How would it work with a prisoner who is incarcerated out of state?
All felons? Even ones serving life or on death row?
Where would you put the machines?
Who would monitor the machines and the voting to make sure there was no coercion or bribing to vote specific ways?
I absolutely believe they should get their rights back when they have served their time.
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Post by chlerbie on Apr 29, 2019 3:51:36 GMT
Yes.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 29, 2019 3:55:21 GMT
I don't have an opinion either way. I'm a legal (law-abiding) permanent resident, and I don't have the right to vote (nor should I). So I don't see why people in prison should, but being I can't vote I don't have an opinion either way. I do think that once they have served their time they should be able to vote.
What is the rationale behind forfeiting the right to vote while incarcerated, and continuing it after incarceration? It doesn't seem to be unique to just this country, although the after incarceration is pretty rare.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 29, 2019 4:03:55 GMT
My knee-jerk reaction is no, they shouldn't get to vote. You lose privileges when you commit crimes. But when I think about it, voting is a right of being an American, much like the right to free speech or the right to practice your religion, and they're still Americans, just incarcerated. So I can see his side. I'll be following this thread to see if any arguments sway me more in one direction or the other because I don't know the arguments for and against it. The first I heard of this grand scheme of Sanders was this from Pence.. ”The same people who want to restrict the right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding citizens believe the Boston Marathon Bomber should be given the right to vote on death row. Well I’ve got news for you, @berniesanders, NOT on our watch!” So the question is, would you be ok with Boston Marathon Bomber voting while in prison? I checked and he is a naturalized citizen. I don't think this is a Bernie stunt to separate him from the Democratic pack. I think Pence is disingenuous to dismiss the idea by highlighting the worst kind of criminal. Should 99.9% not have the right to vote restored because the idea of the worst .1% voting is horrifying? Criminal justice reform is something that must be addressed and this is part of the discussion. |
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Post by gina on Apr 29, 2019 4:09:51 GMT
Absolutely not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 4:46:52 GMT
Ok, I’ll bite. How does letting people in jail vote constitute prison reform? What does one hope to accomplish by letting people in jail vote?
I’m just not seeing it.
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Post by zella on Apr 29, 2019 4:53:03 GMT
I'm actually shocked by how few people answered either "yes" version.
I voted yes because I believe the majority of prisoners shouldn't be in there in the first place and it is terribly racially biased. It is a way of suppressing the minority vote. The US has a ridiculous number of people in prison, so many for drug "offences." Our entire prison system is a disgrace. That's why I voted yes.
Prison should be for violent offenders only, IMO. The truly dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 4:53:20 GMT
The first I heard of this grand scheme of Sanders was this from Pence.. ”The same people who want to restrict the right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding citizens believe the Boston Marathon Bomber should be given the right to vote on death row. Well I’ve got news for you, @berniesanders, NOT on our watch!” So the question is, would you be ok with Boston Marathon Bomber voting while in prison? I checked and he is a naturalized citizen. I don't think this is a Bernie stunt to separate him from the Democratic pack. I think Pence is disingenuous to dismiss the idea by highlighting the worst kind of criminal. Should 99.9% not have the right to vote restored because the idea of the worst .1% voting is horrifying? Criminal justice reform is something that must be addressed and this is part of the discussion. So what that you suggest? Only certain criminals should be allowed to vote? The fact is, Pence is right. Unless there are limitations put on who or who can’t vote while in prison, killers like the Boston bomber will be allowed to vote. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 29, 2019 5:06:19 GMT
I don't think this is a Bernie stunt to separate him from the Democratic pack. I think Pence is disingenuous to dismiss the idea by highlighting the worst kind of criminal. Should 99.9% not have the right to vote restored because the idea of the worst .1% voting is horrifying? Criminal justice reform is something that must be addressed and this is part of the discussion. So what that you suggest? Only certain criminals should be allowed to vote? The fact is, Pence is right. Unless there are limitations put on who or who can’t vote while in prison, killers like the Boston bomber will be allowed to vote. I don't think it is right to dismiss an idea because of the worst case scenario which is one vote.  And yes, you could make the limitations be that anyone sentenced to life without parole or a death sentence does not have the right to vote. |
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