oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 29, 2019 4:33:41 GMT
Man oh man!
Okay we have a new big ass top of the line tv and I could see the weird filter they used on the castle battle scenes. It was so bad, wth? It reminded me of back in the early days of photoshop when everyone was overusing those spider webby looking filters on every photo. It was super distracting, and I wonder why they went that “artistic” route, knowing these newer TVs show everything.
That’s being said that’s was still an amazing episode, but I too am left with so many questions...and why did Melisandre sacrifice herself at the end?
I am ok with who lived and who died. I love that Theon redeemed himself and Arya being the hero wasn’t a surprise but it was still perfect.
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Post by alexa11 on Apr 29, 2019 4:50:40 GMT
What is the point of Bran? Why does the Night King want Bran? There didn't seem to be a point to any of it. This is where Bran explains it in episode 2.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 29, 2019 4:56:02 GMT
The main characters I did not catch a look at from previews for next week were Brienne, Jaime, Poddrick and Greyworm. Arya was kissing someone, best I could tell, so I’m assuming that was Gendry. And I couldn’t tell if Jon’s dragon died or not. The thing that tugged at my heart the most was Drogon comforting and protecting Dany while she mourned Jorah.
When Melisandre was talking to Arya she was quoting something Syrio (her ‘dancing’ teacher) taught her. She did the same thing with Jon (“you know nothing, Jon Snow”) so I’m assuming she had greensite?
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Post by valincal on Apr 29, 2019 5:01:44 GMT
I just finished watching it and I’m drained! Glad the battle is over...very satisfying at the end. I always watch the later show and turn off all the lights so I can see better!
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Post by piebaker on Apr 29, 2019 5:12:14 GMT
I loved that Melisandre repeated the words of Arya's fencing teacher: "What do we say to the god of death? " Not today. There was a theory from a few years ago that the fencing teacher was a Faceless Man. Maybe Melissandre was a Faceless One?
I kept waiting for Jon to step into the fire/ice fire of the ice dragon and be Unburnt too, proving he was a Targaryean.
Wish I knew if the crypt Sansa and Tyrion hid behind was possibly Ned's or Lyanna's.
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Post by fredfreddy44 on Apr 29, 2019 5:30:27 GMT
So effing dark...who actually died?
Night King...worst pyramid scheme ever!!!
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Post by gale w on Apr 29, 2019 5:30:38 GMT
DD said Melisandre and the teacher were from the same place, so maybe it's a regional saying?
I felt like there was too much time spent with people gazing at each other, or just showing pretty much nothing going on. The battles were so confusing that it would have been easier to just skip them and read recaps later.
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Sue
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Post by Sue on Apr 29, 2019 6:13:46 GMT
So disappointed in this episode. My eyes are red and burning from straining so hard to see and understand what was happening onscreen. In my opinion the director did a major disservice to the show, the cast and loyal viewers by filming this way.
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Post by peaname on Apr 29, 2019 10:13:50 GMT
It was so violent and full of despair that I couldn’t watch some of it but wow, that ending was amazing. I watch with DH and DS and they loved the battle.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 29, 2019 10:41:33 GMT
It was hard to keep up with, but I think if we'd been on the battlefield, we would've had the same issue. That's how I tried to view it anyway. It was hard to believe our favorites / main characters could keep going when he raised the 2nd wave, but it is what it is. The Crypt scene was bonkers. Guess Tyrion got to see some action after all and prove he couldn't have done anything on the wall but die.
I really thought when Brienne got tackled at the beginning she was done for. I don't think Sam is dead, he was just exhausted and ready to give up. Next time, he needs to stay in the crypt too.
I jumped out of my chair for the Arya scene. SO happy to see her do it.
Hasn't Melisadre always gone on and on about her role in "The Great War"? She swapped her loyalties multiple times to help The God of Light achieve victory. She went back to Winterfell to fulfill her purpose - she's very, very old, so she knew that one eyed dude would die to protect Arya (his purpose and why he was resurrected 30 something times), then she would go onto kill the Night King. Boom, time to take off this necklace.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 29, 2019 10:55:04 GMT
So disappointed in this episode. My eyes are red and burning from straining so hard to see and understand what was happening onscreen. In my opinion the director did a major disservice to the show, the cast and loyal viewers by filming this way. Yes! I feel the same way. This was so difficult to watch, and not because of the story line or the deaths. They really couldn’t have turned the moonlight up a tiny amount so that viewers could actually see what was happening? 🙄 We watched it in the dark. Didn’t even touch our cell phones while we were watching it (to ensure total darkness) and we could still barely see anything most of the time. I considered turning the brightness up or the shadows down on my tv, but then the whole thing would have been screwed up. Twitter tells me that some people did try this and that it didn’t really help either. I’m really annoyed by it. THey built up this magnificent battle, and people couldn’t even see it! 👎
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Post by gsquaredmom on Apr 29, 2019 11:02:59 GMT
I kept holding my breath and telling myself to breathe!
We changed out tv to cinema mode and that made it possible for us to see it. We had some graininess, but at least we could see it!
I HAVE to watch again!
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Post by naby64 on Apr 29, 2019 12:15:20 GMT
Sorry, just woke up. But did anyone catch that Melisandre said "Valor Margoulis" to Grey Worm? I probably murdered that spelling of the second word. Was it just because that is what you would say before war? Or another hint of what's to come?
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Post by lily on Apr 29, 2019 12:52:52 GMT
Agree it was exhausting and my eyes still are burning from straining to watch! Bran was pissing me off!! He sent his birds out and then nothing!! I am pretty sure GreyWorm died because they showed who I believe was him come back to life with blue eyes. And I am pretty sure Gilly was a goner in the crypt.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Apr 29, 2019 13:42:24 GMT
I still despise Bran.
What is they say? He's like that kid who does nothing to help and still gets the "A" on the group project.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 29, 2019 13:52:17 GMT
I guess my old tv was best for this episode. Lol. I didn’t think it was all that dark, but I also tried not to look too closely during the worst battle scenes. I thought the filters made it look like there was smoke since there was fire everywhere.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 29, 2019 13:52:43 GMT
What is the connection between Varys and Melisandre?
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Post by Loydene on Apr 29, 2019 13:57:07 GMT
I think Bran is a total zero - the whole 3 Eyed Raven thing will likely have more fruition in the last episodes - otherwise there is little reason for that arc (well - except to drive motivation for the Night King.) I didn't understand the the Night King could raise "old" dead - or dead not killed by a "wight" -- I didn't realize that the invaders in the crypt were supposed to be Stark "long deal" relatives - so I couldn't figure out how or why the wights would have tunneled into the crypt. So - I think THAT is a big issue that was ... annoying/over-played/inappropriately unexplained. I don't know entirely, but it is just an annoyance factor!
But -- what next? The preview at the end showing a smiling Dany talking about winning the great war now on to the next war -- with WHAT? With WHO? The Dolraki are gone, the Unsullied are gone, the Wildings are gone.
The Dothraki death was .... beautiful --- so subtly done. The extinction of a people played out in light. The Unsullied - Greyworm's choice to drop the bridge and light the trench with his Army still "protecting the retreat" "standing their ground" .. another extinction of an army playing out in duty.
But -- annoyance again -- why wouldn't that trench light ... was it frozen? Why didn't someone think about that? Why didn't Jon and Jorah and Tyrion or somebody coordinate the fire archers - create a wall of flaming arrows... why wasn't the defensive perimeter farther out into the woods -- why didn't they burn the woods with the wights in them on the advance? I thought there was some seriously poor planning on the side of the "living". And there is some big explaining to be done on who remains living and HOW - last we actually saw SerLady Brianna of Tarth she was going down in a bunch of zombies.
I'm going to watch it again.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 29, 2019 14:01:27 GMT
Many thanks! I'm so glad Ghost is still alive! Did Jon's dragon die? The scene of Drogon wrapping his wings around Dany made me tear up. I wondered that too! But in episode 4's previews, DH said he saw 2 dragons flying around!
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Post by bianca42 on Apr 29, 2019 14:08:58 GMT
I think Bran is a total zero - the whole 3 Eyed Raven thing will likely have more fruition in the last episodes - otherwise there is little reason for that arc (well - except to drive motivation for the Night King.) I didn't understand the the Night King could raise "old" dead - or dead not killed by a "wight" -- I didn't realize that the invaders in the crypt were supposed to be Stark "long deal" relatives - so I couldn't figure out how or why the wights would have tunneled into the crypt. So - I think THAT is a big issue that was ... annoying/over-played/inappropriately unexplained. I don't know entirely, but it is just an annoyance factor! But -- what next? The preview at the end showing a smiling Dany talking about winning the great war now on to the next war -- with WHAT? With WHO? The Dolraki are gone, the Unsullied are gone, the Wildings are gone. The Dothraki death was .... beautiful --- so subtly done. The extinction of a people played out in light. The Unsullied - Greyworm's choice to drop the bridge and light the trench with his Army still "protecting the retreat" "standing their ground" .. another extinction of an army playing out in duty. But -- annoyance again -- why wouldn't that trench light ... was it frozen? Why didn't someone think about that? Why didn't Jon and Jorah and Tyrion or somebody coordinate the fire archers - create a wall of flaming arrows... why wasn't the defensive perimeter farther out into the woods -- why didn't they burn the woods with the wights in them on the advance? I thought there was some seriously poor planning on the side of the "living". And there is some big explaining to be done on who remains living and HOW - last we actually saw SerLady Brianna of Tarth she was going down in a bunch of zombies. I'm going to watch it again. They were supposed to signal Dany and her dragon was supposed to light the trench. She didn't see the signal because she was out flying around and they really didn't have a backup plan
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Post by jlynnbarth on Apr 29, 2019 14:15:48 GMT
My hope is that Jon’s dragon is still alive. If he was dead, wouldn’t he have come back as a zombie dragon when the Night King raised the newly dead? (I didn’t see him in the previews I’ll have to look again).
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Post by crm1367 on Apr 29, 2019 14:17:58 GMT
I was worried about Rhaegal too and wasn't sure what happened to him. I hope he made it.
Some of my favorite parts:
1) Arya telling Sansa to use the pointy end lol 2) I loved when Melisandre created fire in all of the Dothraki weapons. I thought it really told how powerful the dead army was since they basically wiped out the Dothraki within a minute. 3) Also loved Melisandre telling Arya what she originally told her in season 3 or 4 about the color of the eyes and tying it back to what her sword instructor told her during season one about telling death 'not today'
What I didn't like:
1) I agree with Husker regarding the number of dead being overwhelming and it just really wasn't believable that some people lived in some of the battle scenes....especially after seeing what they did to the Dothraki. When the Night King created more dead by raising his arms Jon was totally surrounded and there is NO WAY he would have fought his way out of that as the dead would have just all fallen on him.
BUT...that being said, I did love the episode and I loved that Arya was the one. I really loved Theon! I hated him in season 1 and he just changed so much and I was so sad to see him die.
Great show!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 29, 2019 14:22:19 GMT
I really did not like how dark it was. I have a giant headache now from trying to strain my eyes to see what the hell was happening on the screen. I hate ultra dark episodes and movies. Lyanna Mormont died a good death. I agree; the sound was difficult, too. A lot of times it was really soft... I kept having to turn the sound up/down to hear things. I haven't read the entire thread yet, but had to comment on this. But WHAT THE HELL was Bran doing??? He got into the eyes and then nothing! and this! so much this!! Did he fly his crows to the Night King just to taunt the Night King, to bring him to the Gods Wood faster? It seemed like the Night King knew Bran was controlling the crows... but what the heck was Bran doing the whole REST of the episode, then? Overall, I was a bit disappointed in this episode, I think- mostly due to the dark lighting and the sound issues, but also because SO MUCH was happening and it had to happen so quickly that it was hard to process everything going on. I loved seeing the flaming swords when Melissandre lit up the Dothraki swords; when they got extinguished by the army of the dead, then man... that was a bit of a gut punch. That was the first indication that the rest of the battle was going to be baaaaaad.
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Post by Merge on Apr 29, 2019 14:41:45 GMT
I loved this episode even though it was dark (both literally and figuratively). I thought it conveyed the confusion and then despair of the whole thing really well. And then Melisandre walking out and seeing the first light of dawn? Just perfect.
The music throughout was excellent, but especially the piano score for the final ten minutes or so. Just gorgeous.
I think having Melisandre remind Arya of their earlier meeting, and also of what she learned from her combat teacher, was there to remind us that nothing in GoT is a throwaway. Everything comes full circle eventually. As Bran told Theon (paraphrasing) - everything you've done has led you to this moment, right where you need to be. And of course the same is true for Arya, Sansa, Jon, Dany and everyone else - all the seemingly pointless problems and suffering have in some way prepared them for this moment. Particularly Arya. Two years in the House of Black and White (fairly dull years from our perspective) made her able to do what she did.
Anyway, all that is to say - I'm sure there will have been some reason for Bran and the ravens, which seemed kind of pointless last night. It will provide something that is needed in the battle with Cersei to follow. And my guess is that that battle will be fought in broad daylight, with every detail out in the open.
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Post by Monica* on Apr 29, 2019 14:47:31 GMT
The Dothraki death was .... beautiful --- so subtly done. The extinction of a people played out in light. The Unsullied - Greyworm's choice to drop the bridge and light the trench with his Army still "protecting the retreat" "standing their ground" .. another extinction of an army playing out in duty. These were such touching moments. The view from the distance of the lights of the Dothraki army being methodically extinguished was masterful in its effectiveness.
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 29, 2019 15:21:30 GMT
Okay so all these responses, and all I'm seeing is the complaint that the scenes were too dark. Did no one else see the filter overlay like we did on our tv? Did you find that totally distracting too?
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 29, 2019 15:29:15 GMT
Okay so all these responses, and all I'm seeing is the complaint that the scenes were too dark. Did no one else see the filter overlay like we did on our tv? Did you find that totally distracting too? We saw the overlays as well. They were distracting. I get why they were there, but I think it was unnecessary. But my biggest complaint is how freaking dark almost all the scenes were. I’d rather have a hazy filter and be able to make most of the scene out vs almost a oitch black screen the whole time.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 29, 2019 15:39:42 GMT
Okay so all these responses, and all I'm seeing is the complaint that the scenes were too dark. Did no one else see the filter overlay like we did on our tv? Did you find that totally distracting too? We saw the overlays as well. They were distracting. I get why they were there, but I think it was unnecessary. But my biggest complaint is how freaking dark almost all the scenes were. I’d rather have a hazy filter and be able to make most of the scene out vs almost a oitch black screen the whole time. Right? I was so shocked you could totally see that..did they forget the newest tvs would expose the overlays so clearly? And now I'm thinking damn if you had an older model tv how the hell could you see anything at all if it was that bad on a newer one?
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 29, 2019 15:42:27 GMT
We saw the overlays as well. They were distracting. I get why they were there, but I think it was unnecessary. But my biggest complaint is how freaking dark almost all the scenes were. I’d rather have a hazy filter and be able to make most of the scene out vs almost a oitch black screen the whole time. Right? I was so shocked you could totally see that..did they forget the newest tvs would expose the overlays so clearly? And now I'm thinking damn if you had an older model tv how the hell could you see anything at all if it was that bad on a newer one? Our tv that we watched it on is not new. It’s probably 7-8 years old. And we could def see the overlays. But on top of just a black screen. 😄. I wonder what it looks like on the tv in the basement. That one is only a year old. Not sure I want to watch this episode again to find out. I didn’t love it as much as I thought I would (aside from the technical difficulties).
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Post by huskergal on Apr 29, 2019 17:02:46 GMT
The Bran/Night King even with the explanation is still a bit lame. For 8 seasons the battle between the dead and the living and it is to erase history. Hopefully Bran does become more important at the end.
Plus there are books of history. I guess the Night King will destroy those as well. Just not good writing in my opinion.
This is my other complaint. Jon knew the Night King could raise the dead. He knew bodies had to be burned. The dragons should have been burning the fields of dead people. It was so much the battle of the bastards all over again. Impossibly outnumbered. Impossible exhausted. Impossibly trapped. Then saved in the nick of time. Don't get me wrong, I flippin' loved the end. Made me love Arya all the more. I just find glaring holes. I know it is fantasy, but they to too far. And I can only think, that they will do the same thing when they battle Cersei.
I would really love to see Cersei's expensive band of mercenaries all run away when they start getting burned by dragons. They hae no loyalty to her. They are paid to fight.
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