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Post by chlerbie on May 9, 2019 18:58:30 GMT
We have it for some cans/bottles and also curbside recycling for the rest of it. If I'm too lazy to bring my stuff back for deposit, I always put it on top of the bin we're using at the curb, and generally someone picks it out and makes use of it.
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Post by Jockscrap on May 9, 2019 20:18:12 GMT
Imho, as a small retailer in Scotland selling bottled drinks, this will only work if there are reverse vending machines or collecting points. I don’t have space in my shop to start storing empty bottles; I’m short on space as it is to store items that will turn a profit. Also small retailers will be up in arms if they are expected to pay to operate a system. It must be the big manufacturers who are responsible, not the little guys. For all that is told to us about the effects on the environment, many people I serve don’t really care. It’s a case of “my one bottle/bag won’t make a difference, I won’t bother”. The young folk are the worst! Their lack of awareness/consideration for the planet is shocking. There are a few who care but we need to be pushing environmental issues from primary school so recycling/care of our planet is second nature from cradle to the grave. Imho we need to have collection points outside public buildings and schools not expect people to return their empties to the shop. If someone buys a drink from me, more often than not they will drink it as they are walking along. They are not then going to carry an empty bottle home with them in order to bring it back at some point for 20p. Collecting points in public places with tokens dispensed is the way to go imho. Yes, despite my comments, I’m all for it. Yes, I can see it as a good fund raiser for organisations. I remember as a child we had a deposit system in England in the 60s and that helped with pocket money; there will be some kids for whom collecting bottles will be a big thing. I completely understand your concerns. The end of 2020 doesn’t seem long to instal all the infrastructure this scheme is going to require. Reverse vending machines outside shops that can be used out of hours, and machines at every current recycling area seems reasonable and convenient for all. I can’t imagine any shop, big or small, wants to use large areas of space they are paying for to store returned bottles. |
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Post by maryannscraps on May 9, 2019 23:09:44 GMT
We have this. You see very few deposit bottles on the roadside here. I donate mine to the Boy Scouts. Our town does not have trash pickup, so we go to the dump each weekend with all our trash and recycling. The Scouts have a shed where you can leave deposit bottles. The kids collect them and return them for the deposit once a week. They make about $400 per month for the troop. All the kids work at sorting the bottles and loading them onto a trailer, then they're returned to a recycling center for the cash.
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Post by gina on May 10, 2019 1:43:38 GMT
This has been done in NY for as long as I can remember (I'm 38). I have never in my life returned a bottle. lol Its not worth the time to me. We recycle them though (we have curbside recycling).
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Post by katlady on May 10, 2019 6:24:47 GMT
When I was a kid, my parents would return the bottles to the grocery store to get their deposit back. But ever since we started having curbside pickup of recyclables, we just dump them in the bin now. I don’t recall in recent years ever seeing someone return bottles to the store. I am sure some still do, but it seems rare to see it now days in my area.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 10, 2019 13:23:38 GMT
So again, a free money maker to the state, because most are generally too lazy to return them lol
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Post by miominmio on May 10, 2019 13:32:07 GMT
So again, a free money maker to the state, because most are generally too lazy to return them lol We have an 86% return rate here (and it is going up), are you saying Scots are lazier than other people? |
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Post by compeateropeator on May 10, 2019 13:48:13 GMT
So again, a free money maker to the state, because most are generally too lazy to return them lol I might even go as far as saying one of the only times that the state hopes for lazy residents.  I am lazy in so many ways...and I mean so many...but it would never occur to me to dump my returnables into the recycling. I consider returning my bottles as household chore, just like cleaning the toilet. It has been a chore since my childhood, just something you do. Although the money does add up, I love when kids come to my door asking for them. I consider that a win win.  I am wishing I could give up the guilt of dumping them, but I can just see my dad giving me that look of what the heck. He would be in amazement that I would willingly throw away money, especially my own money, just for being too lazy to return my bottles. And actually I really am lazy enough to throw them away, but the thought of that look from my dad continues to make me return them - and has for 40 years.  |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 10, 2019 13:56:38 GMT
So again, a free money maker to the state, because most are generally too lazy to return them lol We have an 86% return rate here (and it is going up), are you saying Scots are lazier than other people? Goodness no, lol Man, your panties got as far up your bum as Kim K's Gala dress. I live in Massachusetts and I know the return rate isn't 86% (where did this number come from?) I'd be shocked if 50% got returned for the redemption. Probably even 30%. And that's on beer, soda, juices, energy drinks and single sale water bottles. That is ALOT of money the state is pocketing. I'm saying people (including myself) do not want to deal with empties- and the time it takes to return them. Yes, there are more efficient ways, but here most of it is the reverse vending machine style that is typically broken and jammed and needs to be emptied, and smells like a back ally where winos have been living due to people not rinsing their bottles. It's not worth $10 (probably closer to $6 or $8 really) a month to me to spend an hour of my time doing it. I throw it in the recycle bin. Now.. if your 86% is counting redemption, AND curbside pick up- I believe that that number may be real. Edited to add: I did some quick fact checking and found that "The statewide redemption rate for containers with deposits was 59 percent in 2015, down from nearly 68 percent in 2011, according to state figures." www.boston.com/news/local-news/2016/03/26/bye-bye-bottle-bill-proposal-seeks-end-to-5-cent-deposits. So I underestimated my fellow humans.. that said 2 cents of every 5 goes to the state coffer. Out of the hands of citizens. And this is a population who has been returning for deposit for 30 years. And has been mentioned on this site, there are people from other states that bring tons of their bottles here to get that nickel from the state that they didn't even pay in the first place. Anyway... I'm not saying it's bad... I'm just saying that (for me) it is not realistic to spend at least an hour of my time and dedicate storage for $10. I call that lazy lol but it's also valuing my time. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 10, 2019 14:59:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 15:28:48 GMT
I love that Michigan has this law, but I wish they would expand it. Right now it only includes mainly carbonated beverages so there is still a ton of waste created by containers from water, Gatorade, juice, etc. I’m the opposite....I hate it and wish they’d get rid of it altogether. With curbside recycling it’s nothing but a giant pain in the ass go drag those bottles back to the store all the time. Just let me put it with the rest of my recycling and avoid the 10c deposit.
Here in NY We can do either one. We have people that rummage through the garbage looking for bottles to take in though, and they make a mess, and they're noisy.
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Post by Jockscrap on May 10, 2019 16:32:53 GMT
I agree, I think the deposit amount is crucial. Too little, and I can see folk thinking it just isn’t worth the hassle. I think 20p for the Scottish scheme is just right. |
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Post by miominmio on May 10, 2019 17:48:42 GMT
We have an 86% return rate here (and it is going up), are you saying Scots are lazier than other people? Goodness no, lol Man, your panties got as far up your bum as Kim K's Gala dress. I live in Massachusetts and I know the return rate isn't 86% (where did this number come from?) I'd be shocked if 50% got returned for the redemption. Probably even 30%. And that's on beer, soda, juices, energy drinks and single sale water bottles. That is ALOT of money the state is pocketing. I'm saying people (including myself) do not want to deal with empties- and the time it takes to return them. Yes, there are more efficient ways, but here most of it is the reverse vending machine style that is typically broken and jammed and needs to be emptied, and smells like a back ally where winos have been living due to people not rinsing their bottles. It's not worth $10 (probably closer to $6 or $8 really) a month to me to spend an hour of my time doing it. I throw it in the recycle bin. Now.. if your 86% is counting redemption, AND curbside pick up- I believe that that number may be real. Edited to add: I did some quick fact checking and found that "The statewide redemption rate for containers with deposits was 59 percent in 2015, down from nearly 68 percent in 2011, according to state figures." www.boston.com/news/local-news/2016/03/26/bye-bye-bottle-bill-proposal-seeks-end-to-5-cent-deposits. So I underestimated my fellow humans.. that said 2 cents of every 5 goes to the state coffer. Out of the hands of citizens. And this is a population who has been returning for deposit for 30 years. And has been mentioned on this site, there are people from other states that bring tons of their bottles here to get that nickel from the state that they didn't even pay in the first place. Anyway... I'm not saying it's bad... I'm just saying that (for me) it is not realistic to spend at least an hour of my time and dedicate storage for $10. I call that lazy lol but it's also valuing my time. Numbers are for 2015 in Norway. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 10, 2019 17:54:57 GMT
Interesting, too, that MI has the highest rate in the country (US), and as the previous posting pea said it's on a much narrower set of beverages, AND it is .10.
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Post by anniefb on May 10, 2019 19:57:06 GMT
We had it in New Zealand back in the 70s I think but it was phased out. I think a new scheme was recently mooted but nothing has been rolled out as yet.
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Post by melanieg on May 10, 2019 23:55:57 GMT
I grew up in Saskatchewan and they have bottle/can recycling. Im pretty sure most of Canada does.
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