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Post by Lexica on May 12, 2019 15:33:10 GMT
I also find the whole influencer thing to be ridiculous. Especially if the influencer doesn’t have their own product. It is like a 30- to 40-minute commercial. I could go to Ulta or Sephora and have makeup recommended by their sales staff and try it out on my own face. I could never watch them. I tried to watch Laurie Laughlin’s daughter a few weeks ago when she was so upset about losing followers and didn’t make it more than 5 minutes.
I would rather spend that amount of time watching someone create something. I’ve been watching this artist create amazing paper mache animals and teaching her followers how she does it, providing her recipe for the clay, and warning which products will ruin the batch of clay. etc.
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Post by disneypal on May 12, 2019 15:41:54 GMT
Do you think that at some point this whole influencer world will crumble at one point? One could only hope!!
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 12, 2019 15:54:34 GMT
I’ve been following this. I’ve watched some of Jame Charles videos and I always thought it was arrogant but I still watched because he has a lot of talent. Fun fact... he is best friend who is almost always featured in his vlogs was a well known scrapbooker YouTuber a few years ago and I believe the friend was also a Pea on the old board. Drew doesn’t scrapbook anymore..he’s into the fashion design/modeling life now.
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Post by AnotherPea on May 12, 2019 15:54:37 GMT
I have only recently learned that being an "influencer" is a thing. Meaning it's a social media presence in which one creates a large following, which in turns brings them revenue and gifts because they have recommended a product. My only previous knowledge of "influencing" is from the popular scrapbookers and mixed media artists that have parlayed their popularity into a profitable or free gifts accepted entity. I thought it was "say you like an item, product, etc... and the "influencer" receives a tiny financial or free gift kickback form the mentioned company". I had no idea that it was a widespread extremely profitable business/career/job. I am not a follower, of influencers, per say. If I follow someone it's because I have seeked them out, because I like their products or their creative style, and I wish to stay informed of future products, tutorials, or ideas. I certainly don't go buy every single product because one person says to. It's one thing, to ask for recommendations or advice on something, like we do here on this board. It seems crazy to me, that so many people are "followers" and purchasing things because certain "influencers" say to. It's alarming that there is such a mass mentality. I totally agree with this. People seem to have forgotten how to think for themselves. You want to know what happens when I try to teach and assess critical thinking skills? Parents get upset. VERY upset. Not all, but a lot. Parents SAY they want their kids to develop those skills but they don’t understand why test questions don’t come directly from the notes, word-for-word. Plus, students are sooo much more reluctant to try and figure things out. They are used to whipping out their phones and googling single facts. It’s only going to get worse as kids spend more and more time plugged in.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:07:10 GMT
I totally agree with this. People seem to have forgotten how to think for themselves. You want to know what happens when I try to teach and assess critical thinking skills? Parents get upset. VERY upset. Not all, but a lot. Parents SAY they want their kids to develop those skills but they don’t understand why test questions don’t come directly from the notes, word-for-word. Plus, students are sooo much more reluctant to try and figure things out. They are used to whipping out their phones and googling single facts. It’s only going to get worse as kids spend more and more time plugged in. While that has truth to it, a lot also access the internet to gain more information. But how is that different then when I was a kid who went to get a dictionary or encyclopedia to get a direct answer? Google has taken the place of those. There have always been those kids who want just that info and others who like to expand their knowledge . Eta: but of course there are parents who encourage expansion and those who teach just get it done
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Post by sassyangel on May 12, 2019 16:08:19 GMT
I follow exactly two people on You Tube. Both are trained makeup artists, and stay away from all the drama and just do great helpful (or SFX amazing) tutorials. When they (rarely) recommend something, it’s because they personally purchased and use it. IF it’s something they were sent, they say so, and their reviews of those are not always favorable. I got rid of all the ones that are involved in any drama and/or hawk sketchy products. And I enjoy YouTube much more now.
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Post by pilcas on May 12, 2019 16:09:28 GMT
I will always remember my High School had a mandatory English class about advertisement and the techniques they use to get people to buy. The beauty industry sure knows how to use them.
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Post by Just T on May 12, 2019 16:13:24 GMT
I guess I'm an old fuddy duddy because I do NOT get social media influencers. At all.
One gal I know of just travels all over the place, posting pictures of herself in different outfits, that she won't tell you where she got them unless you follow her on Like to Know app. It's sooooo bizarre. She clearly has no job, she lives in a huge house, is a young newlywed. Yeah, she's gorgeous, but sheesh. Making money and traveling, just to show photos of your outfits, and what you are drinking. And companies send her free furniture and other stuff to use in her home.
I always wonder what will happen to people like that when the social media influencing trend has run it's course. What will they do for money then?
There is another person, who used to be a pea who wrote a cooking blog. I follow her on Instagram, and almost daily, she posts pics from all around the world.
I dunno, maybe I'm just jealous that I can't get paid to travel around the world wearing cute outfits.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:26:37 GMT
I follow exactly two people on You Tube. Both are trained makeup artists, and stay away from all the drama and just do great helpful (or SFX amazing) tutorials. When they (rarely) recommend something, it’s because they personally purchased and use it. IF it’s something they were sent, they say so, and their reviews of those are not always favorable. I got rid of all the ones that are involved in any drama and/or hawk sketchy products. And I enjoy YouTube much more now. Yes! I unfollowed a bunch of moms who started to pimp out those blue apron and the like meal services as well as Grove Colab. I am here to see your routines or meal plans. Not for you to sale me something. And many would complain too. Rightfully so.
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Post by mustlovecats on May 12, 2019 17:10:40 GMT
I follow exactly two people on You Tube. Both are trained makeup artists, and stay away from all the drama and just do great helpful (or SFX amazing) tutorials. When they (rarely) recommend something, it’s because they personally purchased and use it. IF it’s something they were sent, they say so, and their reviews of those are not always favorable. I got rid of all the ones that are involved in any drama and/or hawk sketchy products. And I enjoy YouTube much more now. Yes! I unfollowed a bunch of moms who started to pimp out those blue apron and the like meal services as well as Grove Colab. I am here to see your routines or meal plans. Not for you to sale me something. And many would complain too. Rightfully so. I’ve noticed viewership is way down for a few channels that do almost all sponsored. How Jen Does It is a good example of someone who used to have good and useful content and now every video is sponsored and her viewership has dropped substantially.
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Post by uksue on May 12, 2019 17:49:34 GMT
I find Tati a bit of a drama queen, however on this occasion I think she has a right to be miffed. Whether 43 minute video miffed is necessary - no idea . When you compare this with natural disasters , cancer, murder- I’m a bit meh.
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Post by valincal on May 12, 2019 18:37:52 GMT
I went down the YouTube rabbit hole after the Tati/James Charles brouhaha and discovered there are many, many channels that exist strictly to analyze the fights between other YouTubers! They’re bringing the tea and the receipts. 🙄😄
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Post by Country Ham on May 12, 2019 21:00:30 GMT
He is a pig and Tati went into what he was saying at her birthday party about sex and it was vile. He is disgusting and does not get a pass because he is a celebrity and he is not trans so he should stop calling himself Sister James. I just hate him.
Well to me it sounds like she was willing to give him a pass until he promoted her competition.
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Post by heather on May 12, 2019 21:13:03 GMT
He is a pig and Tati went into what he was saying at her birthday party about sex and it was vile. He is disgusting and does not get a pass because he is a celebrity and he is not trans so he should stop calling himself Sister James. I just hate him.
Well to me it sounds like she was willing to give him a pass until he promoted her competition.
Yep. And she’s willing to put up with Jeffrey Star’s vile behavior...until he turns on her. They’re all trash. Im totally rubbernecking. Mostly because it’s interesting to me why some get away with stuff while others don’t.
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Post by muggins on May 12, 2019 21:16:03 GMT
Yes! I unfollowed a bunch of moms who started to pimp out those blue apron and the like meal services as well as Grove Colab. I am here to see your routines or meal plans. Not for you to sale me something. And many would complain too. Rightfully so. I’ve noticed viewership is way down for a few channels that do almost all sponsored. How Jen Does It is a good example of someone who used to have good and useful content and now every video is sponsored and her viewership has dropped substantially. I think there’s a fine line between genuine, honest reviews and just hawking the latest free stuff. However, we shouldn’t expect all YouTubers to continually provide well produced free content without making any money.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 21:36:40 GMT
I’ve noticed viewership is way down for a few channels that do almost all sponsored. How Jen Does It is a good example of someone who used to have good and useful content and now every video is sponsored and her viewership has dropped substantially. I think there’s a fine line between genuine, honest reviews and just hawking the latest free stuff. However, we shouldn’t expect all YouTubers to continually provide well produced free content without making any money. Several of the YTers I watch have sponsored content, in the form that an item was sent, they review it, and can give it away if they want or offer a code for savings. Their review is not pre written and they do this every so often. Maybe 6 times a year. Anyways, they still make money based off if views and commercials.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 12, 2019 21:49:52 GMT
This reminds me that I need to unfollow a bunch of people. I feel like I only actually watch a handful and they are mostly travel vloggers.
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Post by annabella on May 12, 2019 22:15:04 GMT
All the makeup I've bought in the last 5 years is only because I saw someone use it on youtube. However now the two youtubers I liked the most hardly make makeup videos, but are always doing unboxing videos. Their friends must be lucky to get all that makeup. Makeup brands send them on expensive trips to tropical islands. I just looked one up and she makes $127K a year from her youtube views alone. You know when you view a video on youtube, they make money on each view and ads. That's why when someone is controversial they say not to go to their youtube channel to view their video, but this other proxy site that allows you to view youtube videos. Another makeup youtuber Jeffree Star makes $2 million a year from his channel alone and Tati (the woman linked in the OP) also makes $2 million a year. This is just their youtube stats, doesn't count their brand partnership income. Some people are speculating the drama between them as fake. They are copying the drama between KhloeK and Jordyn to raise the celeb profile of the lesser of the two. If it is real, I find it strange a 40 year old women created a 45 minute video where she pretends to be calm and level headed to diss a 19 year old boy. It's called mean girl behavior. I get it, he wronged her, but he's immature and didn't understand plus they have different audiences anyway. There's very few clothing I buy on my own in a store. Most clothes I saw someone else wear on instagram and I used their link to go straight to the product. Those influencers are like having a personal stylist. I liked the look and go to a store I hadn't thought of to get the dress. I actually go to consumer reports and buy based on reviews, what fits into what I need, and what fits into my budget. We're not talking about house hold cleaning products, but rather fashion and makeup. I also find the whole influencer thing to be ridiculous. Especially if the influencer doesn’t have their own product. It is like a 30- to 40-minute commercial. I could go to Ulta or Sephora and have makeup recommended by their sales staff and try it out on my own face A product recommendation from a Sephora employee is no different from a youtuber. The few times I've gotten my makeup done at Sephora I wasn't too impressed. I think a youtuber would spend more hours researching brands and staying on top of trends and new releases. Some influencers are starting to get their own product, but again it's no different than any other product they use. This is just a product a brand slapped their name on, they gave a few guidance on color and package design, and now they are advertising it because they are getting a bigger cut of the profits since it's their eyeshadow palette made by an already in existence brand. For me the key is to follow youtubers who look like me with the same skin color so I know a color they use will work on me.
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Post by trollie on May 12, 2019 22:53:13 GMT
YouTube and other social media is not going away. Hardly anyone watches traditional TV anymore, and certainly not commercials. I have learned so much from watching YouTube.
eta - my most current purchase was from doing research on youtube. It was a tech product. Thanks to youtube I was able to watch several videos and decide which device would be best for me!
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Post by pilcas on May 12, 2019 23:15:24 GMT
They are commercials but it is nice to see the product being used as opposed to a picture in a magazine as we used to see years ago. You just have to be a wise consumer as with everything else. This makeup will not transform you into a beauty nor make you look 25 again no matter how beautiful the influencer is. The product will not look the same on my 58 yr old face. Nor do I believe any eyeshadow palette is worth the $100+ tag on some of these eyeshadow palettes. I have been there done that in my youth. A cream will NOT take away my wrinkles no matter how expensive they are. But I’m sure there are people who fall for the hype.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 13, 2019 0:14:11 GMT
YouTube and other social media is not going away. Hardly anyone watches traditional TV anymore, and certainly not commercials. I have learned so much from watching YouTube. eta - my most current purchase was from doing research on youtube. It was a tech product. Thanks to youtube I was able to watch several videos and decide which device would be best for me! Yup! YouTube taught me how to get rid of a computer virus, how to find the best seats on the Eurostar to Paris, show me attractions and sights of the city I want to visit., let me see various reviews on the refrigerator and camera I was interested in, let me see swatches of a foundation I was interested in. I love YouTube. It's another resource when I need it. I don't blindly follow it, but the resources do help me make decisions.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 13, 2019 0:24:06 GMT
Sephora just had a sale and a few influencers got sponsored by Sephora. They most likely got $1000 to spend on makeup and posted what they got. I don’t mind that. The stuff that gets me is the shit they promote (poor performing) products they call roses. That’s where I draw the line and get pissed off at.
One youtuber was excited because she had Revlon shampoo sponsor her commercial. I turned that off faster than I could spit. She has loads of money and said how much she liked Revlon haircare when in fact she is using super high end stuff and is bullshitting. She uses La Prairie makeup and uses Revlon shampoo? What a crock of shit. Then she said ‘do you really think I would endorse something I didn’t fully believe in?’ Fuck that. La Prairie vs Revlon? Give me a break. She is full of shit.
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Post by Lexica on May 13, 2019 1:25:21 GMT
All the makeup I've bought in the last 5 years is only because I saw someone use it on youtube. However now the two youtubers I liked the most hardly make makeup videos, but are always doing unboxing videos. Their friends must be lucky to get all that makeup. Makeup brands send them on expensive trips to tropical islands. I just looked one up and she makes $127K a year from her youtube views alone. You know when you view a video on youtube, they make money on each view and ads. That's why when someone is controversial they say not to go to their youtube channel to view their video, but this other proxy site that allows you to view youtube videos. Another makeup youtuber Jeffree Star makes $2 million a year from his channel alone and Tati (the woman linked in the OP) also makes $2 million a year. This is just their youtube stats, doesn't count their brand partnership income. Some people are speculating the drama between them as fake. They are copying the drama between KhloeK and Jordyn to raise the celeb profile of the lesser of the two. If it is real, I find it strange a 40 year old women created a 45 minute video where she pretends to be calm and level headed to diss a 19 year old boy. It's called mean girl behavior. I get it, he wronged her, but he's immature and didn't understand plus they have different audiences anyway. There's very few clothing I buy on my own in a store. Most clothes I saw someone else wear on instagram and I used their link to go straight to the product. Those influencers are like having a personal stylist. I liked the look and go to a store I hadn't thought of to get the dress. I actually go to consumer reports and buy based on reviews, what fits into what I need, and what fits into my budget. We're not talking about house hold cleaning products, but rather fashion and makeup. I also find the whole influencer thing to be ridiculous. Especially if the influencer doesn’t have their own product. It is like a 30- to 40-minute commercial. I could go to Ulta or Sephora and have makeup recommended by their sales staff and try it out on my own face A product recommendation from a Sephora employee is no different from a youtuber. The few times I've gotten my makeup done at Sephora I wasn't too impressed. I think a youtuber would spend more hours researching brands and staying on top of trends and new releases. Some influencers are starting to get their own product, but again it's no different than any other product they use. This is just a product a brand slapped their name on, they gave a few guidance on color and package design, and now they are advertising it because they are getting a bigger cut of the profits since it's their eyeshadow palette made by an already in existence brand. For me the key is to follow youtubers who look like me with the same skin color so I know a color they use will work on me. My point was I like being in the store and trying the product on my own face. Watching an influencer won’t tell me how the product will look on me. I think doing as you are, following women who have your same complexion, is the smart thing to do. I’ve just not seen an older 60-plus year old influencer that looks like me.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 13, 2019 1:48:25 GMT
All the makeup I've bought in the last 5 years is only because I saw someone use it on youtube. However now the two youtubers I liked the most hardly make makeup videos, but are always doing unboxing videos. Their friends must be lucky to get all that makeup. Makeup brands send them on expensive trips to tropical islands. I just looked one up and she makes $127K a year from her youtube views alone. You know when you view a video on youtube, they make money on each view and ads. That's why when someone is controversial they say not to go to their youtube channel to view their video, but this other proxy site that allows you to view youtube videos. Another makeup youtuber Jeffree Star makes $2 million a year from his channel alone and Tati (the woman linked in the OP) also makes $2 million a year. This is just their youtube stats, doesn't count their brand partnership income. Some people are speculating the drama between them as fake. They are copying the drama between KhloeK and Jordyn to raise the celeb profile of the lesser of the two. If it is real, I find it strange a 40 year old women created a 45 minute video where she pretends to be calm and level headed to diss a 19 year old boy. It's called mean girl behavior. I get it, he wronged her, but he's immature and didn't understand plus they have different audiences anyway. There's very few clothing I buy on my own in a store. Most clothes I saw someone else wear on instagram and I used their link to go straight to the product. Those influencers are like having a personal stylist. I liked the look and go to a store I hadn't thought of to get the dress. We're not talking about house hold cleaning products, but rather fashion and makeup. A product recommendation from a Sephora employee is no different from a youtuber. The few times I've gotten my makeup done at Sephora I wasn't too impressed. I think a youtuber would spend more hours researching brands and staying on top of trends and new releases. Some influencers are starting to get their own product, but again it's no different than any other product they use. This is just a product a brand slapped their name on, they gave a few guidance on color and package design, and now they are advertising it because they are getting a bigger cut of the profits since it's their eyeshadow palette made by an already in existence brand. For me the key is to follow youtubers who look like me with the same skin color so I know a color they use will work on me. My point was I like being in the store and trying the product on my own face. Watching an influencer won’t tell me how the product will look on me. I think doing as you are, following women who have your same complexion, is the smart thing to do. I’ve just not seen an older 60-plus year old influencer that looks like me. I do the same as Annabella. Watching videos gives me ideas of products that might work for me. But then I try to find the ones I am interested in the store to test out if possible. Or at least look at the color more closely. I don’t think people are just blindly buying everything that an influencer suggests as is stated in this thread. For one thing, most people don’t have the money to do that.
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Post by pilcas on May 13, 2019 2:39:32 GMT
I think influencers are very good about showcasing brands and bringing them to your attention. There are so many out there that we would not even know what to look at. An influencer creates brand recognition and you may not buy an item because they may recommend it but they may get you to go to the store and take a closer look.
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Post by trollie on May 13, 2019 2:43:53 GMT
All the makeup I've bought in the last 5 years is only because I saw someone use it on youtube. However now the two youtubers I liked the most hardly make makeup videos, but are always doing unboxing videos. Their friends must be lucky to get all that makeup. Makeup brands send them on expensive trips to tropical islands. I just looked one up and she makes $127K a year from her youtube views alone. You know when you view a video on youtube, they make money on each view and ads. That's why when someone is controversial they say not to go to their youtube channel to view their video, but this other proxy site that allows you to view youtube videos. Another makeup youtuber Jeffree Star makes $2 million a year from his channel alone and Tati (the woman linked in the OP) also makes $2 million a year. This is just their youtube stats, doesn't count their brand partnership income. Some people are speculating the drama between them as fake. They are copying the drama between KhloeK and Jordyn to raise the celeb profile of the lesser of the two. If it is real, I find it strange a 40 year old women created a 45 minute video where she pretends to be calm and level headed to diss a 19 year old boy. It's called mean girl behavior. I get it, he wronged her, but he's immature and didn't understand plus they have different audiences anyway. There's very few clothing I buy on my own in a store. Most clothes I saw someone else wear on instagram and I used their link to go straight to the product. Those influencers are like having a personal stylist. I liked the look and go to a store I hadn't thought of to get the dress. We're not talking about house hold cleaning products, but rather fashion and makeup. A product recommendation from a Sephora employee is no different from a youtuber. The few times I've gotten my makeup done at Sephora I wasn't too impressed. I think a youtuber would spend more hours researching brands and staying on top of trends and new releases. Some influencers are starting to get their own product, but again it's no different than any other product they use. This is just a product a brand slapped their name on, they gave a few guidance on color and package design, and now they are advertising it because they are getting a bigger cut of the profits since it's their eyeshadow palette made by an already in existence brand. For me the key is to follow youtubers who look like me with the same skin color so I know a color they use will work on me. My point was I like being in the store and trying the product on my own face. Watching an influencer won’t tell me how the product will look on me. I think doing as you are, following women who have your same complexion, is the smart thing to do. I’ve just not seen an older 60-plus year old influencer that looks like me. You should be one!!
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Post by busy on May 13, 2019 2:45:50 GMT
I would rather spend that amount of time watching someone create something. I’ve been watching this artist create amazing paper mache animals and teaching her followers how she does it, providing her recipe for the clay, and warning which products will ruin the batch of clay. etc. Then do that. We all get to make our own choices about what interests us and how we like to spend our time. But there are a lot of people who find hair and makeup to be art forms in their own rights and get inspiration, etc. out of influencer-style content. Maybe it's not for you (it's not for me, either, and neither is watching paper mâché getting made) but there's nothing wrong with people loving it. No one is forcing anyone to watch if they're not interested.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 13, 2019 3:16:10 GMT
“Sister” James is going to get himself killed. He had a thing for hitting on straight men. Sooner or later he will hit on the wrong straight guy and will end up like Matthew Shepherd. He boasts about this behaviour. That’s pretty irresponsible because there is a lot of homophobia still in the world. I am not saying it’s right but be careful who you piss off.
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Post by AllieC on May 13, 2019 3:52:40 GMT
So many wannabee influencers buy followers too. You only have to google and heaps of companies come up. About $40 for 5000 followers. If you are so inclined, you can look up influencers on SocialBlade and can see huge jumps in followers overnight with some people. This can happen if they have some sort of media exposure but mostly it is bought followers.
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Post by Zee on May 13, 2019 12:51:31 GMT
Sephora just had a sale and a few influencers got sponsored by Sephora. They most likely got $1000 to spend on makeup and posted what they got. I don’t mind that. The stuff that gets me is the shit they promote (poor performing) products they call roses. That’s where I draw the line and get pissed off at. One youtuber was excited because she had Revlon shampoo sponsor her commercial. I turned that off faster than I could spit. She has loads of money and said how much she liked Revlon haircare when in fact she is using super high end stuff and is bullshitting. She uses La Prairie makeup and uses Revlon shampoo? What a crock of shit. Then she said ‘do you really think I would endorse something I didn’t fully believe in?’ Fuck that. La Prairie vs Revlon? Give me a break. She is full of shit. You mad, bruh? Lol I almost never watch YouTube videos, I hate them. I hate sitting there watching someone put on makeup and telling you about the product in that same annoying voice they all have. Boring, boring, boring. Maybe it's their stupid voices and dumb comments that keep me from watching? I have looked up specific pallettes for reviews but it's almost painful to sit through some of these twats' videos.
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