dexter
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Post by dexter on May 14, 2019 18:40:08 GMT
This is a little different than the typical vent, and I'll try to condense it.
DS2 is going on a trip to Costa Rica in the summer of 2020 as part of his school's Spanish Club. We've known for about 6 months - had to register and either pay outright the group running the tour or set up a payment plan. The cost difference was minimal so I set up payment plans knowing we would be doing fundraising to try to reduce the total trip cost. DS has participated in every event that has been a fundraiser - concession stands, Daddy/Daughter Dance, Spring Fling, etc. The club is also running the baseball and softball concession stands over the summer.
We had an update meeting to announce how much has been raised so far, and that the proceeds are being evenly split amongst everyone. If you had paid upfront for the trip, you get a refund check.
Here's my beef! The monies are split evenly, no matter if you worked any of the events or not. There are several students who have worked none. Not one, not one minute. They are getting a check because someone else worked. What is that teaching them? It is strongly suggested that everyone sign up for 6 shifts for the summer concessions, and of course, some have not signed up for any. My son (and I) have signed up for our 6 and will work them, but no more. it is frustrating to work our butts off to see someone else get free money.
Am I out of line?
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Post by tiffanyr on May 14, 2019 18:42:11 GMT
I don't blame you for being upset and I might would have to say something!!
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freebird
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Post by freebird on May 14, 2019 18:42:13 GMT
Our band has fundraisers for trips like this. You have your own account and how much work you do gets put into YOUR account.
Totally validated.
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Post by annabella on May 14, 2019 18:42:23 GMT
Not fair at all.
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dexter
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Post by dexter on May 14, 2019 18:48:18 GMT
I don't blame you for being upset and I might would have to say something!! It was brought up by someone else. Unfortunately, our district has a policy that states all fundraising must be shared by the group. So, there's not getting around it. But it sure doesn't seem very motivating for those who aren't doing anything to start, and it is a slap in the face to those working hours and hours to get pittance. |
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Post by trollie on May 14, 2019 18:48:45 GMT
Honestly, there are some families that have more resources than other and would prefer not to volunteer. I understand, except that I think working for something is a good life lesson for kids. We are a family that would work every volunteer shift we could because of our limited resources, so yes, this would irk me too.
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Post by yodutchess on May 14, 2019 18:49:10 GMT
I don’t think so. With band, there were fundraisers that went into an account and were credited towards your amount. These type sound like that. There were others, like dining out events that went into a general pot and were equally divided because no one could quantify who contributed towards them- these were the events where everyone went to a restaurant and the band got 15% back of the evening proceeds.Was it explained in the beginning HOW the money would be credited following each shift or event? If it was and then changed, I would be ticked.
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Post by luvnlifelady on May 14, 2019 18:56:42 GMT
I remember that being an issue even back when I was in high school and fundraising for a band trip. All the money was pooled for everybody and not individual sales.
Not sure it would help now but that’s the good thing about raising money through script. It’s your own individual account that benefits. I would be irritated if I were you too though.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 14, 2019 20:01:36 GMT
I’ll validate you. That would irritate me!
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Post by mom on May 14, 2019 20:11:41 GMT
Ugh. Totally wrong.
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Post by mikklynn on May 14, 2019 20:16:20 GMT
Our band has fundraisers for trips like this. You have your own account and how much work you do gets put into YOUR account. Totally validated. That is similar to how our band activities were handled. We knew in advance that 50% went to our kid's account and 50% to the general fund for buses, etc. |
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Post by cmpeter on May 14, 2019 20:17:40 GMT
That would totally irk me too.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 14, 2019 21:29:00 GMT
This is a little different than the typical vent, and I'll try to condense it. DS2 is going on a trip to Costa Rica in the summer of 2020 as part of his school's Spanish Club. We've known for about 6 months - had to register and either pay outright the group running the tour or set up a payment plan. The cost difference was minimal so I set up payment plans knowing we would be doing fundraising to try to reduce the total trip cost. DS has participated in every event that has been a fundraiser - concession stands, Daddy/Daughter Dance, Spring Fling, etc. The club is also running the baseball and softball concession stands over the summer. We had an update meeting to announce how much has been raised so far, and that the proceeds are being evenly split amongst everyone. If you had paid upfront for the trip, you get a refund check. Here's my beef! The monies are split evenly, no matter if you worked any of the events or not. There are several students who have worked none. Not one, not one minute. They are getting a check because someone else worked. What is that teaching them? It is strongly suggested that everyone sign up for 6 shifts for the summer concessions, and of course, some have not signed up for any. My son (and I) have signed up for our 6 and will work them, but no more. it is frustrating to work our butts off to see someone else get free money. Am I out of line? Nope and I would say something. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 14, 2019 21:29:58 GMT
So then...what if no one helps? Then what?
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Post by trollie on May 14, 2019 21:32:39 GMT
So then...what if no one helps? Then what? Then everyone pays for the trip out of pocket! Those who participate in the fundraisers should benefit from the funds raised. |
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Post by Really Red on May 14, 2019 21:41:51 GMT
I validate you. I would be super frustrated. I get that everyone can't do everything and I understand there are some that can't work because of their home situation, but a trip like this is a privilege and you should have to work for that privilege. It's a shame the district doesn't see it that way.
ETA: Optional trips should not fall under district rules.
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Post by maryland on May 14, 2019 21:45:52 GMT
I would be upset too. That doesn't sound fair. My daughter is on poms and they are part of the marching band. So for the band trip, if you volunteer, you raise money for your child's trip, not the group. My daughter didn't do any fundraising events, so she got no money towards her trip. My friend did a lot of fundraising for her daughter (they can work concession stands at the local nfl and college team games). So her daughter got a discount. That sounds fair to me! And only the parents can do the concession stands, so her child isn't being lazy, just wanted to add that.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on May 14, 2019 21:49:28 GMT
This falls under one of those "life isn't fair" umbrellas for me. Did everyone know upfront that the proceeds would be fully shared whether or not families worked or not? Perhaps it's district policy?
I'd be peeved, I suppose. But this sort of behavior seems to always happen in groups -- some pull their share and some don't.
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Post by mikewozowski on May 14, 2019 21:52:07 GMT
our band said it wasn't allowed to have each kid credited for the work they did. it was all split evenly.
not much incentive for people to man the volunteer activities.
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Post by milocat on May 14, 2019 21:53:40 GMT
Honestly, there are some families that have more resources than other and would prefer not to volunteer. I understand, except that I think working for something is a good life lesson for kids. We are a family that would work every volunteer shift we could because of our limited resources, so yes, this would irk me too. We have that here and it is up to the family if you want to pay outright or volunteer but you know that the volunteer funds will not be going to you and everyone is good with that. I know it gets some feathers ruffled that people aren't teaching their kids life lessons but that's their business at least they aren't benefiting from everyone else's fundraising efforts. What happened to OP is not ok. |
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Post by tanya2 on May 14, 2019 22:11:09 GMT
that kind of thing annoys me too
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Post by SockMonkey on May 14, 2019 22:14:41 GMT
Our band has fundraisers for trips like this. You have your own account and how much work you do gets put into YOUR account. Totally validated. That's how our music trips are funded, too. Each kid has their own account. |
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Post by eastcoastpea on May 15, 2019 0:17:19 GMT
That would bug me too.
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Post by ntsf on May 15, 2019 1:35:38 GMT
it may have to do with non-profit status.. and taxes. Girl Scouts insists that all fundraising by a troop must be used for the whole trip.. no individual accounts allowed.. and it is because of the tax laws for non-profits. so the organization should have explained this in advance.. but it is not uncommon.
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Post by cade387 on May 15, 2019 1:44:00 GMT
I get that it has to be that way but the organizer has the option (I would think) to enforce that everyone must do 6 shifts to be able to go on the trip. The way it is doesn’t seem right at all.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 15, 2019 1:57:47 GMT
it may have to do with non-profit status.. and taxes. Girl Scouts insists that all fundraising by a troop must be used for the whole trip.. no individual accounts allowed.. and it is because of the tax laws for non-profits. so the organization should have explained this in advance.. but it is not uncommon. ? Has this changed? Or is it your council rule? We were in the Nation’s Capitol council and we could put money in the girls account of they were aged Cadette and above. It was an official G.S. acct online and all. |
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Post by ntsf on May 15, 2019 2:00:00 GMT
I'd bet the organizer is unable to enforce the participation...either accept it ...or stop going on expensive trips.
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Post by Linda on May 15, 2019 2:09:58 GMT
it may have to do with non-profit status.. and taxes. Girl Scouts insists that all fundraising by a troop must be used for the whole trip.. no individual accounts allowed.. and it is because of the tax laws for non-profits. so the organization should have explained this in advance.. but it is not uncommon. That's what I was thinking - and my understanding is that the IRS is getting tougher about enforcing that also |
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Post by seaexplore on May 15, 2019 2:16:47 GMT
Move over on the bench, i’m Having a seat!
I think it should be a required number of shifts if the money is being evenly split!
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Post by mom2samlibby on May 15, 2019 2:59:47 GMT
Oh hell no. Did they announce that ahead of time? What a foolish policy.
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