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Post by Basket1lady on Jul 12, 2019 21:52:04 GMT
I think this every episode. At the very least, you would think she's been deported. I think the Waterfords kept quiet about her because they didn't want to get blamed because ole Fred couldn't keep his women in line. But Aunt Lydia is on to her and so are others. Why hasn't June at least been punished like other handmaids? There are lots of punishments where she could still bear children. And why does June keep antagonizing those in power? Wouldn't she be better off flying under the radar and letting another character be the defiant one? Having said all of that, I really like this show. It's the only reason I keep Hulu and I'm fascinated where the story will take us.
Well the show really is about June so killing her off would be like killing off Meredith on Grey's Anatomy.
I agree! I’m just saying that I’m not really buying why June isn’t being punished. To me, it’s a big hole in the plot. But as we say in our house, “Just go with it.”
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Post by Rhondito on Jul 12, 2019 21:57:14 GMT
Anyone else surprised June is still alive? I feel like the producers are letting her skate a little too much for the realities of the show. It's starting to bug me that June doesn't participate in things the way the other handmaids do and no one says anything about it. For instance, the chanting around the birthing bed - she was just lurking in the background. She did the same thing at a gathering earlier in the season - roaming and lurking around and no one cares. I don't get it.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 12, 2019 22:18:02 GMT
I agree with so many of you about June. On previous seasons and episodes she would never have gotten away with not chanting with the other handmaids (instead she now sits quietly and smirks) or not completely participating in handmaid events-at the birthing she is seen wandering around the entire house (with the same smirk) where in previous seasons as a handmaid she had to stay with the handmaids and preform her handmaid duty-chanting or whatever they were doing.
According to Aunt Lydia, "I've had trouble with that one" so why is June getting increased freedom and privileges instead of more rigorous rules and punishment as any other handmaid would have? I like logic. It doesn't logically make sense within the story line of the series. Of course I realize being a fictional series (thank goodness for that!) as a story it can go anywhere, but reading the posts I can see it frustrates others too.
I did like this past episode seeing the backstory of Lydia's pre-Gilead life. I like when they show these about the characters.
The climax of the scene in the loaves and fishes store was anxiety filled TV and had me biting on my nails. I didn't expect it at all.
I do love this show although I love the book more. Can't help that-I'm a book lover.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jul 12, 2019 22:32:52 GMT
Anyone else surprised June is still alive? I feel like the producers are letting her skate a little too much for the realities of the show. It's starting to bug me that June doesn't participate in things the way the other handmaids do and no one says anything about it. For instance, the chanting around the birthing bed - she was just lurking in the background. She did the same thing at a gathering earlier in the season - roaming and lurking around and no one cares. I don't get it.
Yes! This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm wondering if we're supposed to feel like she has some special circumstances because of her current commander or situation with Nicole.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 12, 2019 22:48:19 GMT
Two things are protecting June IMHO: - Commander Lawrence (still think he is a part of the Resistance and sees Gilead as a flawed experiment)
- she is needed in the fight to get Nicole back (she taunted Aunt Lydia about not being able to cut her tongue out as punishment because of how it would look if they needed her on TV again)
Did not expect that last scene in the store.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 13, 2019 0:11:00 GMT
Two things are protecting June IMHO: - Commander Lawrence (still think he is a part of the Resistance and sees Gilead as a flawed experiment)
- she is needed in the fight to get Nicole back (she taunted Aunt Lydia about not being able to cut her tongue out as punishment because of how it would look if they needed her on TV again)
Did not expect that last scene in the store.
Agree and will add that since June has given birth to 2 healthy babies that would obviously make her more valuable to Gilead too.
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Post by craftmepink on Jul 13, 2019 0:24:47 GMT
Agree with everyone else, June is bugging me too! I'm kind of over her story. We get it, she does live a hellish life. But compared to other handmaids who had eyes taken out (Janine) or a hand chopped off, June gets away with an awful lot. And I don't get it. She has really bothered me this season.
Actually, Season 3 is a downer for me. I loved Season 1 and Season 2 but they should've let June escape to Canada. A resistance or June leading an army over there would have been so much more interesting then what we see now. I would really like to see other characters like Emily, Luke, Moira, Janine, etc...anything over seeing June's look of torture and pain every second...ugh! And where the heck is Nick? He had such an interesting story line last year (being married to the child bride) but this season, practically nothing and we're already on episode 8.
I was kind of disappointed with Aunt Lydia's story. I mean, she gets all crazy because a guy, who lost his wife a couple years ago, rejected her? And it didn't feel like he really rejected her, he just wasn't ready for a relationship yet. I don't get why that would cause such a drastic change in her personality.
And lastly, the Nicole baby story line is stupid. Why would Canada want to have anything to do with Gilead after knowing what they do? It doesn't make sense at all. Gilead basically kidnapped Luke's child as well and a whole lot of other children, so why is baby Nicole so special?
I hope it gets better soon because I'm about to quit watching it.
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Post by camcas on Jul 13, 2019 9:51:03 GMT
Agree with everyone else, June is bugging me too! I'm kind of over her story. We get it, she does live a hellish life. But compared to other handmaids who had eyes taken out (Janine) or a hand chopped off, June gets away with an awful lot. And I don't get it. She has really bothered me this season. Actually, Season 3 is a downer for me. I loved Season 1 and Season 2 but they should've let June escape to Canada. A resistance or June leading an army over there would have been so much more interesting then what we see now. I would really like to see other characters like Emily, Luke, Moira, Janine, etc...anything over seeing June's look of torture and pain every second...ugh! And where the heck is Nick? He had such an interesting story line last year (being married to the child bride) but this season, practically nothing and we're already on episode 8. I was kind of disappointed with Aunt Lydia's story. I mean, she gets all crazy because a guy, who lost his wife a couple years ago, rejected her? And it didn't feel like he really rejected her, he just wasn't ready for a relationship yet. I don't get why that would cause such a drastic change in her personality. And lastly, the Nicole baby story line is stupid. Why would Canada want to have anything to do with Gilead after knowing what they do? It doesn't make sense at all. Gilead basically kidnapped Luke's child as well and a whole lot of other children, so why is baby Nicole so special? I hope it gets better soon because I'm about to quit watching it. This exactly
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Post by pancakes on Jul 14, 2019 18:53:40 GMT
Agree with everyone else, June is bugging me too! I'm kind of over her story. We get it, she does live a hellish life. But compared to other handmaids who had eyes taken out (Janine) or a hand chopped off, June gets away with an awful lot. And I don't get it. She has really bothered me this season. Actually, Season 3 is a downer for me. I loved Season 1 and Season 2 but they should've let June escape to Canada. A resistance or June leading an army over there would have been so much more interesting then what we see now. I would really like to see other characters like Emily, Luke, Moira, Janine, etc...anything over seeing June's look of torture and pain every second...ugh! And where the heck is Nick? He had such an interesting story line last year (being married to the child bride) but this season, practically nothing and we're already on episode 8. I was kind of disappointed with Aunt Lydia's story. I mean, she gets all crazy because a guy, who lost his wife a couple years ago, rejected her? And it didn't feel like he really rejected her, he just wasn't ready for a relationship yet. I don't get why that would cause such a drastic change in her personality. And lastly, the Nicole baby story line is stupid. Why would Canada want to have anything to do with Gilead after knowing what they do? It doesn't make sense at all. Gilead basically kidnapped Luke's child as well and a whole lot of other children, so why is baby Nicole so special? I hope it gets better soon because I'm about to quit watching it. Regarding Aunt Lydia: I don’t think she’s concerned about the rejection at all. I think she’s more angry at herself for sinning. And letting temptation get the best of her. Because that’s not what she expects of herself, morally. And it debases her to the level of “less worthy” women who let their desires lead them (like with her student’s mom).
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 18, 2019 21:09:24 GMT
Hey, did you all see Commander Lawrence married Mrs. McKenzie (Gilead mother of June's older DD)? Okay, it was Bradley Whitford and Amy Landecker who got married. And I feel really out of the loop, because I didn't know he and Jane Kaczmarek divorced almost 10 years ago.
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Post by craftymom101 on Jul 18, 2019 21:43:56 GMT
Did anyone watch the episode that was released yesterday? 7/17? **spoilers**
I found it boring. I understand Lydia was punishing June for her recent bad behavior by forcing her to sit and pray for her walking partner for months on end, but sheesh... the episode felt like it lasted for months.
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Post by Blind Squirrel on Jul 18, 2019 21:46:35 GMT
Yes, I feel like nothing has happened in quite a few episodes.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 18, 2019 22:12:54 GMT
I’m just saying that I’m not really buying why June isn’t being punished. To me, it’s a big hole in the plot. But as we say in our house, “Just go with it.” Exactly. Or as my Year 12 English Literature teacher used to tell us: "Suspend your disbelief." they should've let June escape to Canada. A resistance or June leading an army over there would have been so much more interesting then what we see now. I was kind of disappointed with Aunt Lydia's story. I mean, she gets all crazy because a guy, who lost his wife a couple years ago, rejected her? And it didn't feel like he really rejected her, he just wasn't ready for a relationship yet. I don't get why that would cause such a drastic change in her personality. Why would Canada want to have anything to do with Gilead after knowing what they do? It doesn't make sense at all. Gilead basically kidnapped Luke's child as well and a whole lot of other children, so why is baby Nicole so special? I'm not sure who you mean when you say " they should have let her escape to Canada." June could have escaped but she chose to stay because she thought she's have a better chance of getting to Hannah while still in Gilead. Or do you mean the writers when you say "they"? I don't think Aunt Lydia was angry or upset at the rejection so much, she was more angry at herself for her own behaviour, which she would see as sinful. Canada is being careful not to antagonise Gilead because Gilead has a very powerful army and they don't want to enter into a conflict with them.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 18, 2019 23:04:19 GMT
Did anyone watch the episode that was released yesterday? 7/17? **spoilers** I found it boring. I understand Lydia was punishing June for her recent bad behavior by forcing her to sit and pray for her walking partner for months on end, but sheesh... the episode felt like it lasted for months. It is definitely a change from the action packed last season, but I think they are doing a very deliberate slow down to really drive home how hard it is to fight against this regime. The big thing that came out in the episode was June's awakening to the long game IMHO. She was on a suicide mission to get revenge on Serena, Ofmatthew, and Aunt Lydia, who are replaceable cogs in Gilead. Until now, her focus has been on her daughter, no matter what the cost and collateral damage. I think this is the first time she woke to the realization it isn't about just her and Hannah. The doctor asked if she was still suicidal IIRC. She needs to keep her eyes and ears open, use her knowledge and information to get the young girls out. Cripple Gilead where it really hurts. It will be interesting to see where the doctor falls in all of this.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 18, 2019 23:05:55 GMT
Did anyone watch the episode that was released yesterday? 7/17? **spoilers** I found it boring. I understand Lydia was punishing June for her recent bad behavior by forcing her to sit and pray for her walking partner for months on end, but sheesh... the episode felt like it lasted for months. It is definitely a change from the action packed last season, but I think they are doing a very deliberate slow down to really drive home how hard it is to fight against this regime. The big thing that came out in the episode was June's awakening to the long game IMHO. She was on a suicide mission to get revenge on Serena, Ofmatthew, and Aunt Lydia, who are replaceable cogs in Gilead. Until now, her focus has been on her daughter, no matter what the cost and collateral damage. I think this is the first time she woke to the realization it isn't about just her and Hannah. The doctor asked if she was still suicidal IIRC, when he stitched her up. What she was planning to do was suicidal. She needs to keep her eyes and ears open, use her knowledge and information to get the young girls out. Cripple Gilead where it really hurts. It will be interesting to see where the doctor falls in all of this.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jul 19, 2019 0:11:53 GMT
Agree with everyone else, June is bugging me too! I'm kind of over her story. We get it, she does live a hellish life. But compared to other handmaids who had eyes taken out (Janine) or a hand chopped off, June gets away with an awful lot. And I don't get it. She has really bothered me this season. Actually, Season 3 is a downer for me. I loved Season 1 and Season 2 but they should've let June escape to Canada. A resistance or June leading an army over there would have been so much more interesting then what we see now. I would really like to see other characters like Emily, Luke, Moira, Janine, etc...anything over seeing June's look of torture and pain every second...ugh! And where the heck is Nick? He had such an interesting story line last year (being married to the child bride) but this season, practically nothing and we're already on episode 8. I was kind of disappointed with Aunt Lydia's story. I mean, she gets all crazy because a guy, who lost his wife a couple years ago, rejected her? And it didn't feel like he really rejected her, he just wasn't ready for a relationship yet. I don't get why that would cause such a drastic change in her personality. And lastly, the Nicole baby story line is stupid. Why would Canada want to have anything to do with Gilead after knowing what they do? It doesn't make sense at all. Gilead basically kidnapped Luke's child as well and a whole lot of other children, so why is baby Nicole so special? I hope it gets better soon because I'm about to quit watching it. I've been debating signing up for hulu again to watch this season. I like your ideas better than what seems to be happening.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 19, 2019 0:19:09 GMT
I'm officially starting to get bored with this show. And enough with the hate-filled look staring in to the camera. They do it every episode and it's been overplayed.
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Post by craftmepink on Jul 31, 2019 22:00:28 GMT
Anyone catch the latest episode? Geez, just when I threaten to quit the show, it sucks you right in. Ok, I'll leave a bit of space but obviously spoilers below:
Finally, something happened this episode! The past 2 episodes were actually quite good (episode 10 and 11). At the end of episode 11, I was like...what just happened? Did Serena "sell" Fred out to the Canadian government? I am glad that idiot Fred has finally been arrested.
I am hoping that Serena is punished too, but it seems that she made a deal with the Canadian government since they didn't read any rights to her. Yes Fred was evil, but so was Serena. I've never had that much sympathy for her, especially after all the vile things she did to June in Season 1. I will never forget the way she beat June for having a miscarriage. She was only nice to June because she wanted access to baby Nicole/Holly.
It would be awful if Serena was just able to have a fresh new start in Canada after all the lives she wrecked (Gilead was her idea too).
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 31, 2019 22:07:53 GMT
Finally it is getting back to it's roots! I was about ready to give up on it too. That last two episodes have been so good!
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Post by birukitty on Aug 1, 2019 16:23:20 GMT
I've been hanging in there because I had such hope for this show after the first two seasons were so incredible, although I do agree that the last few episodes (before episode 10 and 11) have been very slow and I was worried about the direction the show was going. I watched episode 11 on Tuesday after midnight and then watched episode 10 and 11 again last night. When Fred got caught by the Canadian government I was so excited and cheering in my seat! I only wish June had been able to see it.
Do I think Serena was in on the trap to catch him? Yes I do. I think there were several clues pointing to that. 1. She didn't get June in trouble after June went after her with the scalpel in the episode where June was made to kneel for hours in front of the hospital bed her walking partner was in-she could have easily had June seriously charged for that offence but she kept quiet about it-to me this shows she has seriously changed her attitude in regards to Gilead's rules from season 1 to this point, although she did strike back at June. 2. When she and Fred are visiting the "perfect" family with children on their way to the meeting in episode 11 and she and Fred go for a walk in the woods she reminds him of their first apartment and tells him that is where she wrote her first book and says, "how could you take that away from me". 3. She brings Fred the phone the man in Canada gave her to call him with if she ever decided to change her mind about escaping Gilead and tells him it's a way to get back Nicole since everything else hasn't worked. She tells him she's worked out a way to get Nicole back and convinces him that they should drive on their own.
I think maybe they promised her they'd give her Nicole if she gave them Fred but hopefully they won't do that since Nicole is the biological daughter of June who is married to (darn, I forgot his name) who has been taking care of her since June smuggled her out of Gilead. Yes, June was evil too and yes she committed crimes too but getting them Fred was a huge goal for Canada and probably gave June a lot of leniency as far as being charged with crimes go-just like it does in criminal court now. You squeal and give us the big guy and we'll let you off with a lighter sentence.
I'm worried about June now and everyone in that household. BTW, what about June killing that man in Jezabel's? Wow! I couldn't help but cheer her on! She'd finally had enough of being raped and just couldn't take it anymore. She was extremely lucky when a Martha she'd previously saved entered the hotel room and saved June (I love what your Year 12 English Lit teacher used to tell your class Aussie Meg-Suspend your disbelief-and I'm going to remember it from now on when it comes to writing). It was so amazing how they cleaned the room so well and got rid of the body.
I can't wait until next week and when the season is over-oh no!-we have Margaret Atwood's sequel to "The Handmaid's Tale" called "The Testaments" to tide us over coming out on September 10, 2019. On Amazon it says this sequel takes place 15 years after the first book (or first season) ends.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 20:55:41 GMT
Holy shit box......that is all I got after that last episode. The last 15 minutes hit me like a ton of bricks. GAH!!!! birukitty... PLEASE tell me that next week isn't the LAST episode. I am already depressed over the GOT ending (which I finally found the time to binge watch the last season last week...TOTAL let down).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 20:57:24 GMT
How is the sequel going to work if "Handmaid's Tale" isn't finished? Won't that throw things off whack?
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 1, 2019 21:18:56 GMT
How is the sequel going to work if "Handmaid's Tale" isn't finished? Won't that throw things off whack? The Testaments will take place 15 years after The Handmaid's Tale ended is narrated by three female characters (haven't heard whether they are new or current). Atwood has said: I don't think it will go into the story lines of the series, but fill in many of the gaps as to how Gilead came to be. ETA Loved the last episode. Commander Lawrence is such a coward - loved the way June called him out on trying to escape and save himself. Don't mess with the Marthas!!! Did not see it coming when June took out Commander Winslow, but was almost cheering as she did. What a pig. Two episodes left and season 4 will be happening!
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Post by naby64 on Aug 1, 2019 21:23:36 GMT
Gosh, last night...WOW! I have found it a bit of a snore-fest the last couple of episodes. So much so that I would just fast forward the long, drawn out glares at the camera. Or the long winding silence of car rides and such. I was not ready for what happened at Jezebel's and a bit disappointed. I thought I had read that that character was a closet gay. I was really hoping for a Gilead reply to that. But I did appreciate June's outcome. I love Bradley Whitford and I so hope that Commander Lawrence gets away somehow. Where is his wife? Did he get her someplace safe? I wondered if I missed something by fast-forwarding too far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 21:41:09 GMT
Gosh, last night...WOW! I have found it a bit of a snore-fest the last couple of episodes. So much so that I would just fast forward the long, drawn out glares at the camera. Or the long winding silence of car rides and such. I was not ready for what happened at Jezebel's and a bit disappointed. I thought I had read that that character was a closet gay. I was really hoping for a Gilead reply to that. But I did appreciate June's outcome. I love Bradley Whitford and I so hope that Commander Lawrence gets away somehow. Where is his wife? Did he get her someplace safe? I wondered if I missed something by fast-forwarding too far. Do you think it is possible that Comm. Lawrence killed his wife? He wasn't able to get out and I didn't see her when he came back. Then he hands June a gun, why? What does he expect her to do with it when "they" come? I am hanging in the wind as to what to expect next week. Dayum! Not to mention that we are traveling to Spain next week and I am not entirely sure I will have wi-fi where we are going! Boo!!!
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Post by naby64 on Aug 1, 2019 22:00:37 GMT
allipeas I wondered if he did kill her. He loves her and knows they can't stay there, she wouldn't survive without him it seems, that he/they can't get her out...All the whats and ifs. I wondered if he gave her the gun to either protect herself and take out as many as she can or to kill herself so they don't use her to make her an example of. Hope you find wi-fi!
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Post by craftymom101 on Aug 1, 2019 22:19:12 GMT
The latest episode... wow! So good. June covered in blood, walking down the hallway was an awesome scene.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 22:36:19 GMT
allipeas I wondered if he did kill her. He loves her and knows they can't stay there, she wouldn't survive without him it seems, that he/they can't get her out...All the whats and ifs. I wondered if he gave her the gun to either protect herself and take out as many as she can or to kill herself so they don't use her to make her an example of. Hope you find wi-fi! My thoughts exactly! You know as soon as she walked into Jezabell's, I had a feeling she was going to run into that guy. I wasn't surprised when I heard him call her name. His character is a real sicko. I too, am starting to think that maybe Serena had something to do with Fred getting arrested. There was a second when she had this "look" that made it seem like she knew what was going down. Toooooo much to process!!!! GAH!
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 1, 2019 23:47:11 GMT
Even though we didn't see Eleanor when Commander Lawrence came back, I'm pretty sure June told Billy in Jezebel's that she needed help getting 52 children, Commander Lawrence and his wife out. June wouldn't have said that unless she knew Eleanor was still alive, so I think she was in the house and we just didn't see her.
I'm also pretty sure we are going to see Serena pregnant soon. By sleeping with Fred the night before his arrest she can pass it off as his child, but I expect to see her sleeping with someone else in the near future.
I have no doubt Serena gave up Fred to the Canadians. She knows that a DNA test will prove Nicole doesn't even biologically belong to Fred, which will make her claim to being Nicole's mother even weaker (and I can't imagine an international court considering the case not ordering a paternity test). So she doesn't have Nicole, she has no life in repressive Gilead (no status without Fred, no career, can't even drive, no hope for another child through Fred) and the possibility of something/anything if she escapes.
And speaking of paternity, where is Nick? I hope we see him make an appearance in the next couple episodes.
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Post by roxley on Aug 2, 2019 0:23:46 GMT
allipeas I wondered if he did kill her. He loves her and knows they can't stay there, she wouldn't survive without him it seems, that he/they can't get her out...All the whats and ifs. I wondered if he gave her the gun to either protect herself and take out as many as she can or to kill herself so they don't use her to make her an example of. Hope you find wi-fi! I believe when he came back to the house after running away, we can hear him telling the Martha’s to take his wife up to her room. June was in his office and heard him saying this. So I think she is still alive.
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