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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Oct 9, 2014 11:01:47 GMT
I know someone who had her doberman certified as a therapy/support (not really sure the designation she got) so that she could not be turned down by landlords due to the breed of the dog. That's clearly an abuse of the system. But it reminds me of parents who lie about their address to get their children zoned for certain schools. People always seem to be able to rationalize their decisions when it's their own situation.
As far as dogs on planes... with all the egregious behaviors that PEOPLE demonstrate on planes, I'll take my chances with most people's dogs any time.
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Post by snappydog on Oct 9, 2014 11:19:38 GMT
My dog is a Seeing Eye Dog. She guides me. She has on a harness and a leash that both say she is a trained service dog from the Seeing Eye. Technically she could go into a store without the harness and still be a trained service dog. The actually label for "service dog" refers to the training and not the "clothing or equipment" the dog is wearing.
I was stopped one day in a mini mart and the manager said, "Miss, is that a service dog?" Now I was led into the store by the dog and we were standing in front of the drinks with me holding the harness handle. I had to laugh. Seriously, who is the blind one here?? I politely said yes, and then she says, "Well, I don't see a vest on it." I did laugh again. The store manager obviously needed some training. I explained what I explain to everyone that she is a working service dog and her clothing doesn't really matter, it's her training. Plus if she had taken the time to look at the dog she would have seen the harness but I guess she was so excited about getting me out of the store and looking like a badass that she made herself look pretty stupid.
I've had people accuse me of all sorts of things. I once had a clerk at a rest stop on the PA Turnpike tell me I was breaking the law and she was calling the police. I told her go ahead and do that and I'll finish my $50 lunch while you do that. I don't look blind. My eyes are normal and are not "jacked up" looking. Most of the people with the disease I have look completely normal and you would have no idea that I'm blind. The damage in our eyes is to the retina in the back and not the front of the eye.
It some days annoys me that I have to explain myself over and over again and most days I don't mind educating the public but there are just some days when I've had people say to me, "What is your problem that you need the dog?" and I feel no need to explain my complicated medical condition to them. I have occasionally responded with, "Why don't you tell me all about your medical conditions?" People can be rude. The majority are not and I usually don't mind answering questions.
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Post by snappydog on Oct 9, 2014 11:26:39 GMT
This is in no way, shape, or form a service dog. If my dog had done this she would have been retired immediately. It's all in the training and that dog was not trained!
Sandy
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Post by mstubble on Oct 9, 2014 15:22:24 GMT
And what business owner in today's instant media wants to be the one to stand up and ask even the 1st two questions? Can you imagine the reviews/feedback if the business owner asked a disabled person and used the wrong tone or words? Not many will chance it. I think you'd be surprised just how many times this happens.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 9, 2014 17:15:40 GMT
What happens when you are around a true service dog? People keep saying they don't want dogs unless they are a service dog. So then I always wonder, how their allergic reaction would be different. I'm only asking you since you are allergic, not because you've said that yourself  Unfortunately many people abuse the system by knowing that businesses aren't always 100% sure what they can ask about a service dog. So they bring their therapy dogs in places they shouldn't. But they know the risk of someone questioning them is low. My allergies and asthma don't discriminate true service dogs vs. non service dogs, so I unfortunately would have the same reaction. I'm not saying service dogs shouldn't be allowed, but yes, I do have to make sure there aren't pets being seated near me. I get agitated by people who think their pets, with the exception of service animals, can and should be brought around wherever they please. OT: I love animals, I'd have a zoo if I could, but I also believe that pets are a lot like kids. Just because you think they are cute and want to be surrounded by them, doesn't mean everyone else does. I completely agree with you and it does seem like a catch 22 for both of you. And I agree about kids, pets and parents  I know not everyone is going to love my animals like I do. So no, we do not bring them everywhere. I even decide which dog goes when invited based on the environment. We went to my sister's birthday party at BILs cabin that is very pet friendly. She wanted me to bring our 2 1/2 yr old German Shepherd Dog to play with her 2 1/2 yr old Mastiff/Lab. But I know my mom is nervous around the GSD so we brought the goofy Samoyed instead. Just about everyone loves him and he's such a goofball he entertains them as well 
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 9, 2014 17:46:26 GMT
I find this thread very interesting. I will be traveling, for the first time ever, on a plane with a bona fide service dog - a guide dog to be exact. I can only speak from my perspective, but when in enclosed quarters (movie theater, restaurant) I am seated where the addition of my dog will not be offensive to others. If the airline needs to move me to ensure that an allergic or anti-dog person is not offended, I am ok with that. My dog, a Golden Retriever, can curl up and slides under the seat in front of me. Honestly, they are trained to do this and lay quietly throughout the flight -even a long one. Often times, people do not even know I have a dog with me, until I stand up to exit an area. I am a little nervous about the trip but know that my dog will do just fine. If there was one thing I could shout from the rooftops it would be this - ignore my dog, and she will ignore you. The rise in "fake" dogs can and is causing a problem for some who truly use service dogs to compensate for a disability. The judgment should not be whether that dog is truly necessary or not. Rather, the judgment should be whether the dog in question is behaving properly, exhibiting proper behavior (ignoring others and noises, not barking, not trying to interact with others, etc.) and working directly with, and under the control, of its handler. FYI, the ADA allows a business owner to remove a service dog (not the disabled person) IF that dog is disruptive to the business or misbehaving.We were socializing our GSD when she was a puppy at an outdoor market. A guy at a vendor table had a yellow lab in a service vest with his lead attached to the table leg. When we walked our puppy by their table, not stopped, just casually walked by. The dog lunged at our puppy that was a good 20+ feet away. When he lunged he pulled the table over! That to me would be one of the fake service dogs. We have a 4-H club that raises puppies that go into service dog training. Service dogs are trained so much differently than other dogs.
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 9, 2014 17:54:12 GMT
I've flown with my dogs and with other animals as well. If a person is allergic to animal fur they should be able to ask for an animal free flight. If someone with a pet is already ticketed the allergic person would choose to take a different flight. If a stated allergic person is already ticketed the airline should decline to accept a pet for that flight.
I've been on flights with all sorts of animals and find it hard to believe the general public thinks pets go in the hold.
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Post by ashwyness on Oct 9, 2014 18:56:11 GMT
I have shown dogs for over 20+ years, and I can tell you that in the show dog world, handlers fly around with these dogs as "service/comfort/therapy" dogs in order to avoid having them travel in the cargo hold and also not have to pay the fees.
It cost $125 each way to carry on a dog that fits in a carrier that must fit under the seat in front of you. That is what I get charged if I fly with a puppy (my breed is too large, full grown, to travel in a carrier) If I take adult dogs with me, they are traveling as checked baggage and it has to do with the weight of the dog in the crate, and its around $200-$300 each way.
I would never dream of making my show dog a fake "therapy/comfort/service" dog just so I can fly around the country with it and not pay.
People who do this are abusing the system and are causing it to be harder for the people who truly do need these animals with them in this capacity.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Oct 11, 2014 17:51:39 GMT
I know of one dog, a golden retriever, whose owner bought him a first-class ticket on a plane. I don't believe that he tried to pass him off as a therapy dog but he was required to have the ticket/ seat.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 11, 2014 19:34:15 GMT
I think some people think only service dogs can be allowed in the cabin-this is not true. Planes have weight limits, and most animals (not just dogs), are allowed in the cabin as long as they meet all requirements. Exactly and customers pay dearly to do so. If you have issues with it take it up with the airlines, they are the ones that provide the service and allow it. $100 each way - at least that's what it is here. And the animals have to stay in a carrier that fits under the seat. I'm kind of curious where the bigger dogs in the OP stayed during the flight. I could see all kinds of safety issues with having a larger dog underfoot.
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Post by mallie on Oct 11, 2014 21:17:15 GMT
Exactly and customers pay dearly to do so. If you have issues with it take it up with the airlines, they are the ones that provide the service and allow it. $100 each way - at least that's what it is here. And the animals have to stay in a carrier that fits under the seat.I'm kind of curious where the bigger dogs in the OP stayed during the flight. I could see all kinds of safety issues with having a larger dog underfoot. Is staying in the carrier a FAA rule or an individual airlines rule?
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Post by quiltz on Oct 11, 2014 21:37:26 GMT
January 25, 2012 National Post
There are plenty of things that can delay a flight – bad weather, ground delays, mechanical issues – but a cat getting loose and hiding somewhere in the cockpit normally isn’t one of them.
However, that’s what happened to Air Canada flight 603 from Halifax to Toronto on Wednesday morning.
The flight, which was scheduled to take off at 5:40 a.m., was delayed for four hours after Ripples the cat — brought on board by one of the plane’s passengers — got loose from its carrier and hid inside the plane’s cockpit.
“They were of course first looking [for Ripples] in the cabin, as I understand it. Then it became apparent that it had gone into the cockpit,” says Peter Spurway, vice-president of corporate communications for the Halifax Airport Authority.
“Then it squirmed down into a little space and the game was on.”
Although Mr. Spurway says he doesn’t know how the cat got loose, he says it was just hiding from the people trying to find it – it wasn’t hurt or stuck.
“Because I’m sure it was pretty frightened by the whole set of circumstances, it found its way down inside a panel in the cockpit into the wiring,” says Mr. Spurway.
The crew got all the passengers off the plane, and called maintenance crews into the cockpit to remove panels and retrieve the cat.
“They had to disassemble the cockpit, to a degree,” he says. Peter Fitzpatrick, a spokesperson for Air Canada, says the cat managed to hide in the avionics bay in the cockpit, an area that houses vital navigational instruments. Any damage caused by Ripples could have been potentially catastrophic if it occurred mid-flight.
Some passengers were put on other flights, but many just had to wait.
“The flights are pretty full, typically, so you don’t have a lot of extra capacity. But we were able to move some of them on flight 605 [from Halifax to Toronto],” says Mr. Fitzpatrick.
Employees found the cat at around 8:40 a.m. AT, checked to make sure Ripples hadn’t done any damage, put all the panels back in the cockpit, re-boarded the plane and by the time they were ready to leave it was 10 a.m.
“And of course the owner [was] primarily concerned about the safety of the cat,” said Mr. Spurway.
Mr. Fitzpatrick said Ripples was fine after his rediscovery, and was allowed to join his owner and fly to Toronto when the flight finally took off – four hours after it was supposed to.
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Post by jumperhop on Oct 11, 2014 22:04:07 GMT
Only 3 lap dogs are allowed on a flight. You have to pay a fee and call the airline in advance to reserve a spot. Unless the dog is a disabled assistance dog, there's aren't rules for that. Jen
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 11, 2014 23:10:14 GMT
$100 each way - at least that's what it is here. And the animals have to stay in a carrier that fits under the seat.I'm kind of curious where the bigger dogs in the OP stayed during the flight. I could see all kinds of safety issues with having a larger dog underfoot. Is staying in the carrier a FAA rule or an individual airlines rule? In Canada, it's the TCCA but, to answer your question, I think it's an airline rule.
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