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Post by dewryce on Jun 15, 2019 2:24:30 GMT
I sorry. I would speak with his cardiologist and double check that that is the correct diagnosis. I'm surprised that his GP would deliver this news vs his cardiologist. I missed the part where his GP is the one that told him this, and am surprised as well. I think GPs play a very important part in our healthcare, but this is not their bailiwick. Let the specialists who deal with your husband’s illnesses on a daily basis and keep up with relevant current treatments give you their opinions before going any further down the rabbit hole!!! Yes, that’s 3 exclamation points
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Post by tanya2 on Jun 15, 2019 2:44:40 GMT
I'm so sorry that must have been awful to hear! I agree, he should go see the cardiologist to find out how accurate that is. Huge hugs for you!
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Post by mlynn on Jun 15, 2019 3:13:40 GMT
A year or so ago, things kept going wrong in my body. When my doctor came into the exam room, I point blank asked her "I'm dying, aren't I?" She said that I would not live to my 70's or 80's, but they were not ready to call hospice. (I was 57.)
Early this year I had a follow-up cystoscopy for bladder cancer. The doctor said we did not do the next one until 3 years because with my co-morbidities I would not be lasting very long.
A few months ago, I had blood in my stool. Based on my past experience, I was quite reluctant to even consider doing the bowel prep again. I was tussling with my GP about it. I asked if it was even worth doing with my co-morbidities and her prediction that I would not make it into my 70's or 80's. She said "Oh, I don't think that any more." Seems my co-morbidities have stabilized - particularly with my oxygenation.
Moral of the story, things change and doctors can alter their opinions.
Also, I have a new ARNP on my case with Palliative Care/Home Med Services. He says I am much more stable than I look on paper. That may also apply to your husband. You never know.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jun 15, 2019 3:22:08 GMT
I'm really sorry you and DH received such a blow. I hope the news was delivered a little more compassionately than it sounds. I suppose the blessing is that you won't needlessly pursue treatments that won't be beneficial to his overall health (such as the surgery). I wish you both strength and then peace for what comes. My sister-in-law was diagnosed with the most deadly form of Glioblastoma last October and she has weathered her treatments very, very well and the doctors are very surprised and happy at her status right now. There will always be a few outliers that defy the statistics. Keep hope.
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Post by mlana on Jun 15, 2019 3:44:01 GMT
You have my empathy. I do understand about the slap in the face when you’re not expecting a dr to say what they say and a husband to react the way they do.
My DH has stage 4 CKD, but his numbers have been steady for a year or so. He saw his fistula surgeon in early Jan ‘19 and was told everything was great, the fistula is ready, but with his numbers being so steady, he probably wouldn’t need it for a while.
When we went to his nephrologist a few weeks later, we expected to hear that things were stable and to just continue as we were. Instead, he told us that DH could start dialysis whenever he was ready. Talk about jaws dropping and our hearts going to out throats. We were both reeling! When the nurse realized how upset we were, she had the dr come back in.
He told us that he had not meant DH HAD to start dialysis. DH had complained about being so tired so the dr was just offering to go ahead with the dialysis to remedy the exhaustion, if we so chose. We didn’t so choose to take that route, so the dr started looking for other alternatives. DH started doing iron infusions and they have made a huge difference.
Meanwhile, my DH, like yours, takes advantage of any time I’m not watching to eat things he knows he shouldn’t. Like your hubby, mine is diabetic, hypertensive, and overweight. He lives on a very restrictive diet that I spend hours making from scratch and making as tasty as possible. It is SO DAMN frustrating when, instead of heating up something I’ve made in the fridge, he goes out and gets something he knows he shouldn’t eat. Is it really so hard to use the microwave? He used it for years, before his diagnosis.
Please consider reaching out to the cardio to see if he can clarify and expand on how your husband is actually doing. Maybe he can help get your DH back on track.
Take care, Marcy
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Post by peace on Jun 15, 2019 3:52:37 GMT
I am so sorry
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Post by Lexica on Jun 15, 2019 3:56:54 GMT
That had to be a very shocking thing for you both to hear. But, as others have already posted, doctors can make dire predictions like this and then the patient lives for years and years. My mom told me that when she was about 15, a doctor told their family that her mother, my grandmother, would probably have another 5 years to live at best. They were all shocked and devastated. My grandmother lived to 99 years old.
My father had so many health issues, mostly brought on by his lifestyle of drinking and smoking for so many years. He had asthma, heart attacks, and a whole list of ailments at the end including complete kidney failure. He was on peritoneal dialysis for a couple of years. He died at 90 years of age.
I know of a man whose mother was given news like this and believed it. She spent her life basically in a cocoon, afraid to live. She always told everyone how sick she was and lived each day anticipating her death. She outlived everyone in her family and died at 89.
I would do as you have planned, try to get him to clean up his diet and lose some weight. Also, tell him of the number of people who have been given news like this that do not die as their doctors predicted. There is always hope, and doing what you can to improve your health and life is never a waste.
Hugs
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Jun 15, 2019 3:58:52 GMT
I'm so sorry about the sad news. ((HUGS))
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 15, 2019 4:08:20 GMT
I am so very sorry, I will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers.
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Post by mlynn on Jun 15, 2019 4:11:25 GMT
As a child, my husband and his parents were repeatedly told that he would never see 30. In February he will be 60.
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Post by alexa11 on Jun 15, 2019 4:27:29 GMT
Wow-that's a lot to take in. Sending prayers for you and your DH.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 15, 2019 4:29:31 GMT
What a shock! I can understand you must be reeling.
There is a cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic, Dr Esselstyn, who I bet would be happy to talk to you and your hubby and help you. The nicest guy you will ever meet. He saved my cousin’s life. But, and this is a huge but, my cousin was willing to do anything to save his life and made some drastic lifestyle changes. According to his first cardiologist and also his internist, the cancer and CHF should have killed him within 3 years. His drs have been so impressed by his outcome that both his cardiologist AND his oncologist have begun implementing the same lifestyle changes. You really need to want to do it though, it cant be forced on someone against their will.
Wishing you strength and peace as you travel this part of your life’s journey.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 15, 2019 4:30:47 GMT
As a child, my husband and his parents were repeatedly told that he would never see 30. In February he will be 60. When I was in kindergarten (1967?) they told my father to brace us for losing our mom by morning or that week. She died. Thanksgiving of 2016- nearly 50 years later. @bergdorfblonde I am so very sorry to hear of his diagnosis and the frustration with your hubby's eating habits. Perhaps (and I hope) after the shock of it wears off some he will start taking care of himself better. I wish only the best for you both. @mlna Good luck to your husband. I too had a fistula put in in prep for dialysis need. My numbers "said" that I should start dialysis but my worst complaint was exhaustion. My nephrologist left me be saying only at some point he would "insist" because most people would have started with those numbers. But to me, I weighed "exhaustion" vs "dialysis" and opted to take more naps instead of dialysis. It worked for me and the only time the fistula wasn't used much until after transplant before the new kidney kicked into high gear. My best of luck to your DH too. ((hugs)) all around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 6:19:52 GMT
So sorry you and your DH are going through this. He is probably scared, overwhelmed, discouraged and depressed after receiving such bleak news. He will need time to process the information.
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Post by JoP on Jun 15, 2019 6:23:32 GMT
((((Hugs)))
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Post by gar on Jun 15, 2019 6:40:32 GMT
((hugs))
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Post by gillyp on Jun 15, 2019 8:32:08 GMT
Oh dear, I am so sorry. What a blow to you both.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jun 15, 2019 10:47:05 GMT
Moral of the story, things change and doctors can alter their opinions. Just because one doctor said it, doesn't guarantee it will happen. My first step would be to return to the cardiologist and ask for clarification. I'd also be planning strongly to defy the odds. I fully believe in the power of the mind when it comes to health. Lastly, I'd be having a heart-to-heart about your husband's lack of compliance with the things he can do to improve his health. Meantime, sending a hug because you guys seem to never catch a break. I hope this latest episode turns out not to be a dire as what you are thinking based on the doctor's statements. Fingers crossed that the cardiologist has better news.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 15, 2019 10:52:25 GMT
Oh my gosh Bergdorfblonde I can't begin to express how sad this news makes me. You've both dealt with so much and now this on top of everything else? Please try not to worry. I'm sending you a PM now.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jun 15, 2019 10:54:15 GMT
I'm sorry you both had to hear that. I read it in a slightly different way. My interpretation was if your DH made lifestyle changes and lost weight, his life expectancy could improve. Do you think they could have been trying to shock him into helping himself? I realise that right now he's reacting by taking control in a destructive way, but maybe he needed to hear that to make constructive changes.
Hugs to you both.
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 15, 2019 11:19:39 GMT
I am so sorry you received such devastating news.
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Post by Zee on Jun 15, 2019 12:33:14 GMT
The poor man. I'm so sorry. I kind of don't blame him for deciding to say screw it and live the rest of his life the way he wants to. He has so many issues and I'm sure it's mentally overwhelming for him (and you, who just wants him to be as healthy as possible).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:33:27 GMT
Wow! This is a lot to be told all of a sudden. I’m sorry that you all are dealing with this. I assume he sees a therapist to help him emotionally deal with what’s at hand? I wish the best for you both in finding the right care and strategies to become healthier. He does see a psychiatrist at the V.A. to help with his depression & anxiety, but that's a good reminder to make an appointment asap with them since he has so much more to talk about. Gosh, he had enough before. I don't think that either of us has processed this newest news yet. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:44:00 GMT
I sorry. I would speak with his cardiologist and double check that that is the correct diagnosis. I'm surprised that his GP would deliver this news vs his cardiologist. Great point!! This was a new cardiologist and DH just went through all new tests and then we heard the results. That's when the cardiologist mentioned that it looks like DH had a heart attack (which we never knew about, but it's entirely possible since those were his symptoms when he was admitted into the ICU last year), and he did say that the bottom portion of his heart was only functioning at 50%, but that the rest looked okay, despite his congestive heart failure and A-FIB. He said to concentrate on losing weight, eating heaalthy and moving around much more. He didn't mention anything more serious. We did ask him if DH could withstand a long surgery to remove his bladder, and the cardiologist said he'd have to come back in for an angiogram before he made that decision. Now his GP is saying that the cardiology notes claim DH cannot withstand a surgery and he has at most 5 years to live due to his heart. We will go back to the cardiologist and ask more questions. We really liked this doctor. He was older and very frank and he gave DH a positive outlook. More pressing will be Monday's Urology appointment where we learn which treatment is next for this current bladder malignancy. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:54:56 GMT
I am so sorry. It’s a tough road and he probably is depressed. The one question I would ask is this: Do you want to see 74 or 78? 74 feels young, while many people are lucky to get as close to 80 as 78. My dad had Parkinson’s and fought it like crazy for several years. Then glioblastoma took him at 80 while he was still getting as much life as he could despite Parkinson’s. Your DH has a choice to keep fighting as long as he can. 78 or 79 is a nice long life. And he may get longer. My dad did. His hard work probably bought him a couple more years. He’d always say that every day above ground is a good day. That's a good question. Some days with his depresion and his view on life, he has said that he might not have much longer. I assumed he was being morbid because his cancer was a lot to deal with. Then there are many days where he is intent on living for another 10 years (until 83). That's our hope. 78 would be cuthing is life so short. Some days his attitude is positive, joking, etc... And some days he is just immobile, staring at movies all day and night. He does say that every day on earth is a good day, even though we've had very tough days. We just both keep looking for an answer to get him healthier and feeling better.
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Post by piebaker on Jun 15, 2019 15:05:17 GMT
I am sorry. ((Hugs))
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 15:10:49 GMT
I sorry. I would speak with his cardiologist and double check that that is the correct diagnosis. I'm surprised that his GP would deliver this news vs his cardiologist. I missed the part where his GP is the one that told him this, and am surprised as well. I think GPs play a very important part in our healthcare, but this is not their bailiwick. Let the specialists who deal with your husband’s illnesses on a daily basis and keep up with relevant current treatments give you their opinions before going any further down the rabbit hole!!! Yes, that’s 3 exclamation points I know I wrote a lot in my OP, but it was in there. The cardiologist (he's a new choice) ran all heart tests on DH and gave us the results. He didn't mention any timeline and said just to focus on eating right, losing weight and moving around. He said that DH was feeling so badly because of inactivity and poor diet. He never said that his heart issues were serious and would only give him up to 5 more years of life. His GP only repeated that because we asked her (again) if he could finally go to Moffitt Cancer Care even for. Diagnosis. She read the cardiology notes and that's when she stated that the cardiologist wouldn't approve of a big surgery (bladder removal) because it wasn't worth it, and that he'd "die within up tp 5 years of either his cancer, heart issues or other health issues". News to us!!!!! We did leave off with the cardiologist on a good note. He didn't make anything sound dire. He did exptlain he damage to DH's heart but he said that with weight-loss, a healthy diet and moving around, he'd feel much better, he said point blank that DH's biggest issue was his huge stomach pushing up on his heart and making him feel terrible. Sounded reasonable to us. He also said to come in for an angiogram if DH was to face any surgery and he'd see if he's up for it. Nowhere did he mention his life being cut so short due to his heart issues. We'll go back and ask more questions after we're done seeing the Urologist on Monday with his next treatment plan. Thanks!
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Post by tincin on Jun 15, 2019 15:19:20 GMT
I’m sorry to hear that you and your DH got such disheartening news. It can’t be easy to live as though your time is limited. I’m a stress eater so I can totally relate to your DH’s reaction.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 15, 2019 15:23:34 GMT
My dad lived longer than that with 20% total heart function. We had a doctor here tell us we should probably put him in hospice care (thank goodness my dad was out of the room!); we took him to UAB in Birmingham where he had surgery. They gave him another 5 years with us. Don't let what someone says give you an expiration date and give up. Doctors aren't gods and what they say isn't written in stone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 15:24:40 GMT
A year or so ago, things kept going wrong in my body. When my doctor came into the exam room, I point blank asked her "I'm dying, aren't I?" She said that I would not live to my 70's or 80's, but they were not ready to call hospice. (I was 57.) Early this year I had a follow-up cystoscopy for bladder cancer. The doctor said we did not do the next one until 3 years because with my co-morbidities I would not be lasting very long. A few months ago, I had blood in my stool. Based on my past experience, I was quite reluctant to even consider doing the bowel prep again. I was tussling with my GP about it. I asked if it was even worth doing with my co-morbidities and her prediction that I would not make it into my 70's or 80's. She said "Oh, I don't think that any more." Seems my co-morbidities have stabilized - particularly with my oxygenation. Moral of the story, things change and doctors can alter their opinions. Also, I have a new ARNP on my case with Palliative Care/Home Med Services. He says I am much more stable than I look on paper. That may also apply to your husband. You never know. Thanks, that's positive news & I'm so happy that you're doing so much better. Strange about the bladder cancer treatment because DH has had these other serious medical issues for 30 years now. I guess his Urologist felt they were all under control more than his cancer and constant recurring tumors so they kept taking them out and doing the chemo/BCG treatments. DH wasn't able to handle much and I swear that it all took years off of his life. In these few years he's aged so very much andhas become so much more immobile and depressed. I'm hoping for better answers and a better plan other than keeping him on this hamster wheel of tumor removals and attempted chemo, then infections and weakness. He's already had sepsis and almost died a year ago. This is why we were insistent on going to Moffitt for their overall opinion. I think that's where our answers lie. One more thing : this is the same team of doctors who left me in immense pain with my eye situation and had no competent doctors within their plan. I felt hopeless until I found my own surgeon and pushed to have her added to my insurance and it worked. I go to much beter hospitals and deal with a whole ocular team at USF & Tampa General Hospital. It meant a world of difference. I think that's what DH is in need of, but his GP just made it sound like it doesn't matter either way... Might be time to change insurance for him & we've been trying to move back to NY where I know he'd get much better care andhis spirits would be lifted with family and friends there. Trying... Continued good luck to you!! I'm so happy that your situation has turned around!!! Xo
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