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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 27, 2019 15:02:04 GMT
I think 3/4 of these folks need to drop out and focus on taking back the Senate. And Sanders needs to drop out- we dont need an 80 year old in the white house. 👍👍👍 |
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 27, 2019 15:04:36 GMT
I was so behind Beto for Senate in Texas. And, he almost beat much hated Cruz.. It seems like he was on such a high from that election that he figured that he’d just keep the ball going and enter the big one. But he’s really never showed me much of anything since then. It was a nice try with the standing on the counters in the diners bit, but he sadly didn’t have much substance. The Spanish speaking last night was another nice try, but resulted in him looking pathetic. I am 100% behind Mayor Pete. “Would you support a marginal 70% tax rate on those making more than ten million dollars per year?” I thought that question was easy. As a candidate, if you haven’t figured out by now whether you’re for or against a wealth tax, you need to step aside. Booker’s and Warren’s side looks at Beto were priceless. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 27, 2019 15:09:17 GMT
I will admit to wanting age limits in all offices. Sanders, Warren, Biden are all too old for me. While I know people are living longer all the time and there are plenty of sharp-minded people in their 70's and beyond, I would rather they just retire and stick with local volunteering if they still want to serve. This applies at all levels - city, state, and federal. Real term limits should be a thing. We already have them in place in certain offices. Why not ALL offices? I will wait for the field to thin out a little bit more before I form a real opinion about any candidate. I don't think age is the problem. The problem is elected officials that stay in office for decades and are so entrenched that they become self serving instead of serving the people. They start making all the kickbacks and payoffs and become consumed with greed. Smart new 70 or 80 year olds would do just as well as smart new 30 year olds or even better because there is a wisdom that comes with age. The key word here is “new”. The system needs to be flushed regularly and the voters just aren't doing that. |
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Post by flanz on Jun 27, 2019 16:06:36 GMT
Honestly, nothing said in any of the Democratic debates will change my final vote. Yes, I will participate in the primaries and hopefully find a candidate that I can fully support, but I will be voting for the Democratic nominee for president. I find it horrifying that so much money is being wasted by candidates who do not have a chance of being nominated and that the campaigning is starting so early. If it were up to me, they would begin officially campaigning the July 1st before the presidential election and limit each candidate to $500,000 in total campaign spending! AGREED! In Canada I believe it is usually 6 weeks from the time an election is called until the actual election. Not constant campaigning like the sheer nonsense here in the U.S.! |
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Post by mom on Jun 27, 2019 16:15:02 GMT
I was so behind Beto for Senate in Texas. And, he almost beat much hated Cruz.. It seems like he was on such a high from that election that he figured that he’d just keep the ball going and enter the big one. But he’s really never showed me much of anything since then. It was a nice try with the standing on the counters in the diners bit, but he sadly didn’t have much substance. The Spanish speaking last night was another nice try, but resulted in him looking pathetic. I am 100% behind Mayor Pete. This is EXACTLY where I am. I voted for him in Texas. I wanted to think he could get something done. But honestly? I feel like he just wants the fame without actually doing anything. |
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Post by teri on Jun 27, 2019 17:50:38 GMT
I'd like to have the same insurance as all these candidates have. I'm pretty sure they aren't all going to switch to Medicare for all...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 18:44:47 GMT
I will admit to wanting age limits in all offices. Sanders, Warren, Biden are all too old for me. While I know people are living longer all the time and there are plenty of sharp-minded people in their 70's and beyond, I would rather they just retire and stick with local volunteering if they still want to serve. This applies at all levels - city, state, and federal. Real term limits should be a thing. We already have them in place in certain offices. Why not ALL offices? I will wait for the field to thin out a little bit more before I form a real opinion about any candidate. I don't think age is the problem. The problem is elected officials that stay in office for decades and are so entrenched that they become self serving instead of serving the people. They start making all the kickbacks and payoffs and become consumed with greed. Smart new 70 or 80 year olds would do just as well as smart new 30 year olds or even better because there is a wisdom that comes with age. The key word here is “new”. The system needs to be flushed regularly and the voters just aren't doing that. That I can agree with. We need NEW people. We need real term limits. |
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Post by gardengoddess on Jun 27, 2019 19:34:33 GMT
I thought both Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar were strong and I was surprised that Julian Castro came out of the gate with some big swipes at Beto. The battles of the Texans. Bill DeBlasio had a decent night but he's not in my top 5. I did disagree with the some of the pundits afterward that they were disappointed the candidates didn't go after Trump. I don't want them to talk about him. We all know he's terrible. There will be time enough for that down the road.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 27, 2019 20:10:50 GMT
I believe there would have to be a Constitutional amendment to effect term limits for federal office. Maybe lizacreates could comment on this because she knows a heckuva lot more than I do. In any case, I’m not in favor of term limits. I really do think the voters should be entitled to send the same people back to Washington over and over again if they’re happy with his or her representation. I like my Congressman and Senators, and I want to keep them. California instituted term limits for state office and I think it has really screwed with our legislature. Really, let the voters decide, even if some people prefer some arbitrary limit. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 27, 2019 20:57:27 GMT
I believe there would have to be a Constitutional amendment to effect term limits for federal office. Maybe lizacreates could comment on this because she knows a heckuva lot more than I do. In any case, I’m not in favor of term limits. I really do think the voters should be entitled to send the same people back to Washington over and over again if they’re happy with his or her representation. I like my Congressman and Senators, and I want to keep them. California instituted term limits for state office and I think it has really screwed with our legislature. Really, let the voters decide, even if some people prefer some arbitrary limit. Well, some states did impose term limits for their representatives and senators for a few years, but the Supreme Court decided this practice is unconstitutional and thus ended it. The states are not granted by the Constitution with the power to impose term limits, and the 17th Amendment had conferred the decision to elect their representatives upon the people. Therefore, it is not states, but the people, who should decide at the ballot box. Only a constitutional amendment at this point can achieve it. Not likely something we’ll see in our lifetimes as it has the same poor odds as abolishing the Electoral College. Proponents will need 34 states for a convention and 38 states for ratification. That’s a very steep climb. IMO, it should be left to the people to decide. We have bigger problems than this. |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 27, 2019 23:17:06 GMT
I believe there would have to be a Constitutional amendment to effect term limits for federal office. Maybe lizacreates could comment on this because she knows a heckuva lot more than I do. In any case, I’m not in favor of term limits. I really do think the voters should be entitled to send the same people back to Washington over and over again if they’re happy with his or her representation. I like my Congressman and Senators, and I want to keep them. California instituted term limits for state office and I think it has really screwed with our legislature. Really, let the voters decide, even if some people prefer some arbitrary limit. Well, some states did impose term limits for their representatives and senators for a few years, but the Supreme Court decided this practice is unconstitutional and thus ended it. The states are not granted by the Constitution with the power to impose term limits, and the 17th Amendment had conferred the decision to elect their representatives upon the people. Therefore, it is not states, but the people, who should decide at the ballot box. Only a constitutional amendment at this point can achieve it. Not likely something we’ll see in our lifetimes as it has the same poor odds as abolishing the Electoral College. Proponents will need 34 states for a convention and 38 states for ratification. That’s a very steep climb. IMO, it should be left to the people to decide. We have bigger problems than this. Thank you! I was right about you.  |
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 28, 2019 0:03:47 GMT
Thank you! I was right about you. As always, you're too kind. I credit Centrum Silver! Lol. |
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Post by mom on Jun 28, 2019 0:18:34 GMT
UGH. Came upstairs to my scrapbook room and got all settled in to watch the debate tonight - perfectly timed, so I thought, so I could fast forward through commercials. Turn the tv on and it still doesn't start for another hour. Ugh. Now to kill time til it does come on.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 28, 2019 1:19:37 GMT
These Round Two candidates are fierce right out of the gate. I"m afraid to even go get a glass of water for fear I'll miss something vital.
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Post by mom on Jun 28, 2019 1:27:10 GMT
Geez. This is like the Bernie Sanders Show tonight. He's getting a ton of airtime.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 28, 2019 1:41:59 GMT
Geez. This is like the Bernie Sanders Show tonight. He's getting a ton of airtime. Lol. He’s very passionate, that’s for sure. I’m doubtful that M4A is viable, though. Pragmatically speaking, I predict incremental changes to Obamacare if a Dem wins, supplemented by adding Medicare as a public option in the marketplace. (Dang, Kamala’s got game. “Guys, guys, America doesn’t want to witness a food fight. They want to know how to put food on the table!”) |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 28, 2019 1:44:36 GMT
... aaaaand I’m sitting in my car at tae kwon do. For the next hour.
No debate for you, lucyg!!
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Post by lisae on Jun 28, 2019 1:44:44 GMT
Tonight is a different tone and behavior for certain. Kamala Harris is making some good points. That scenario about walking through the ER door and knowing you are going to have to pay $5000 out of pocket because you have a high deductible. That's real. I've thought of that for myself for sure. I have a $7,400 deductible. Fortunately, so far I haven't had to go the ER for myself.
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Post by mom on Jun 28, 2019 1:45:13 GMT
Geez. This is like the Bernie Sanders Show tonight. He's getting a ton of airtime. Lol. He’s very passionate, that’s for sure. I’m doubtful that M4A is viable, though. Pragmatically speaking, I predict incremental changes to Obamacare if a Dem wins, supplemented by adding Medicare as a public option in the marketplace. (Dang, Kamala’s got game. “Guys, guys, America doesn’t want to witness a food fight. They want to know how to put food on the table!”) I agree- I don't think M4A is viable at all - and if the Dem nominee pushes it, I predict it will hand Trump 4 more years. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 28, 2019 1:45:49 GMT
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Post by mom on Jun 28, 2019 1:47:40 GMT
I swear she's only running so she can get publicity for her books and speeches. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 28, 2019 2:05:05 GMT
Buttigieg is holding his own. But I'm not sure if it’ll help; if he cannot solve the racial and police brutality problems in South Bend, how can he be expected to solve bigger national and foreign policy issues? When asked why he couldn't solve it, his answer wasn't satisfactory - Because I couldn't get it done. ?? Still being investigated. He's been mayor for two terms.
I don’t understand Yang’s “Trickle Up” theory at all. I’ll have to read something about it as it was just flying over my head.
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Post by lisae on Jun 28, 2019 2:22:27 GMT
It's been a long day so I'm going to bed. Biden has been on the defense. It's not surprising since he is the front runner and has such a long political career. I'm not sure he has successfully argued his case.
I got tired of Kirsten Gillibrand's interruptions.
Kamala Harris was the best debater imo. She makes her points with specific examples, touts her past experience appropriately, takes on the current president and had the best one liner of the debate. I like her except I'm not for Medicare for All.
While some of the people who have zero chance brought up some good ideas, I hope the group is culled down quickly. We are wasting time listening to Hickenlooper, Marrianne whatever, and some of the others when I'd rather hear more from someone electable.
I just about forgot Bernie. I think the moderators have forgotten him too. He doesn't seem to be getting any questions in this second half. He isn't my pick anyway.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 28, 2019 2:35:40 GMT
And ....now I 💙 Kamala !
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 28, 2019 2:50:40 GMT
While some of the people who have zero chance brought up some good ideas, I hope the group is culled down quickly. We are wasting time listening to Hickenlooper, Marrianne whatever, and some of the others when I'd rather hear more from someone electable. I think the culling will happen soon. By the second debate on July 30, I bet only the frontrunners will remain because if a candidate is still polling in the single digits by then, he/she won’t be able to raise the money. By the third debate in Sept, I think we’ll just have four or five remaining because the DNC rule is that everyone in the third debate should have at least 130,000 donors. |
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Post by ntsf on Jun 28, 2019 3:57:48 GMT
bernie yelled too much, avoided the questions and interrupted too much. kamala was the best..biden is going down...
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 28, 2019 3:58:20 GMT
Kamala Harris showed she can take on anyone, and I think she’d do well against Trump in debates. I don’t like the Medicare for All plan, but I’m not sure it would happen anyway.
Gillebrand annoyed me with her interruptions and insistent attitude, I know people want to get their views out there, but it was off-putting.
I still like Buttigieg, although I think he may be a good candidate for VP at this time.
Honestly, every Democratic candidate sounds so much more rational and intelligent than Trump, but we do need to get rid of a bunch. There are a lot who have no chance of winning the nomination.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 28, 2019 4:01:04 GMT
lisae - I think ultimately if your country does get to a single payer/medicare for all scenario, it would have to be done the way someone (Gillibrand, maybe?) said - incrementally. I think someone like Harris will figure out if she can get a deal done to achieve it and if not, will find some way to improve the system that will work for the majority of every day people. She's pragmatic, practical & thoughtful.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 28, 2019 4:08:19 GMT
Biden did not do well at all
Is Bernie always that obnoxious? If so how did he get so popular?
Marianne Williamson would be a great spiritual advisor to the President. Or in some role related to mental health. But beyond that, no.
I just don't like Kirsten Gillibrand. I know that is a terrible reason to oppose someone but it's where I'm at. Yet I think she and Harris would make a fantastic team.
Kamala Harris was fantastic.
I did think Mayor Pete was quite good. I loved his comments on religion & the border. And I didn't hate his answer re: racism & police brutality. I agree with the point that he's had two terms as mayor so should maybe be further ahead. But I also admired his willingness to admit what he doesn't know, which is a huge departure from Trump. He did well enough to stay in the race, I think.
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Post by andreasmom on Jun 28, 2019 5:05:32 GMT
Can’t stand Bernie. I get the passion but he’s far out there.
Would love to see Harris or Buttigieg in the ticket somehow.
Best comment of the night (paraphrasing) we shouldn’t be going left or right, we should be moving forward.
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