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Post by crafty on Jul 10, 2019 15:56:26 GMT
I’m sick of scrap/card making celebrities complaining about thumbs down feedback on You Tube. Who cares? So what that someone didn’t like your video? Most of us get feedback in our job and it isn’t always positive. Sometimes that feedback is accurate and sometimes the person giving it is just an asshole. Whatever.
If your feelings and ego are this fragile, don’t put stuff out in the universe.
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Post by wendifful on Jul 10, 2019 18:32:43 GMT
I agree. I can understand that they don't like it (who does like negative feedback?) and I can even understand complaining about it, but you should complain about it to your friends/family, not your large social media following. Blasting it on social media makes your followers feel guilty or triggers an avalanche of "OMG who would ever do that?! You work so hard!" When I worked retail, I never complained about other customers TO customers because that would be unprofessional. I view this the same way.
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Post by joblackford on Jul 10, 2019 18:35:33 GMT
OMG I saw that too! (well, maybe the same thing you saw - someone upset for someone else's sake, and then someone else piling on on IG stories). I just shook my head.
10 or 20 thumbs down on a video with 12k views and 1k likes - yeah, who cares?!
Sure, sometimes you love a video so much and you see some people have thumbs downed it and you think, ugh, how could they? (especially if it's a newbie YTer or someone who obviously isn't a pro and was just sharing their passion). But someone with 300 or 400k subscribers doesn't need to worry about the few people who say "no thanks."
Maybe it was someone who hates you, or was expecting something different from the video. YT sometimes shows videos that they think a person will like based on their other videos and it's WILDLY off base. Or maybe it's 14 yo boys who like to hate stuff. I don't know. (I blame 14yo boys for everything that happens that I don't like on YT - that's my bias. lol)
I don't know that the YTer who made the video was necessarily upset, at least in the case I think we're talking about. It was someone else being upset on their behalf, which is a bit dumb. And if you're a YTer you probably would wish that everyone gave everything a like, on everyone's channel, not just your own.
My personal policy is to only thumbs down something that was deliberately misleading. Otherwise I just click away to someone else's video. But getting bent out of shape by a handful of trolls is pretty pathetic.
ETA: I don't know why I didn't name names. The thing I saw yesterday was JMcGuire quoting someone I don't know (maybe just a regular fangirl?) defending KWerner in her Stories. Just a quick screenshot and share kind of thing, so maybe not a lot of thought was put into how that comes across.
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Post by fireant on Jul 10, 2019 18:42:07 GMT
I can't comment on this specific situation since I don't know who's doing the complaining -- but in general ANY engagement is good for the youtuber whether it's a thumbs up or thumbs down. As long as they are getting interaction, that boosts the creator up in the algorithm. If folks aren't leaving super nasty comments, then people need to just calm down and let it go.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 10, 2019 18:42:28 GMT
I agree. However, a thumbs down 1 minute after the video goes live? The thumbs-down person hasn't even had time to watch the intro. In that case they are basing their opinion on the YTer, not the content. Just sayin'. If you don't like that person why watch?
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 10, 2019 18:45:06 GMT
OMG I saw that too! (well, maybe the same thing you saw - someone upset for someone else's sake, and then someone else piling on on IG stories). I just shook my head. 10 or 20 thumbs down on a video with 12k views and 1k likes - yeah, who cares?! Sure, sometimes you love a video so much and you see some people have thumbs downed it and you think, ugh, how could they? (especially if it's a newbie YTer or someone who obviously isn't a pro and was just sharing their passion). But someone with 300 or 400k subscribers doesn't need to worry about the few people who say "no thanks." Maybe it was someone who hates you, or was expecting something different from the video. YT sometimes shows videos that they think a person will like based on their other videos and it's WILDLY off base. Or maybe it's 14 yo boys who like to hate stuff. I don't know. (I blame 14yo boys for everything that happens that I don't like on YT - that's my bias. lol) I don't know that the YTer who made the video was necessarily upset, at least in the case I think we're talking about. It was someone else being upset on their behalf, which is a bit dumb. And if you're a YTer you probably would wish that everyone gave everything a like, on everyone's channel, not just your own. My personal policy is to only thumbs down something that was deliberately misleading. Otherwise I just click away to someone else's video. But getting bent out of shape by a handful of trolls is pretty pathetic. Watch CZ's instagram stories.
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Post by fireant on Jul 10, 2019 18:49:56 GMT
I agree. However, a thumbs down 1 minute after the video goes live? The thumbs-down person hasn't even had time to watch the intro. In that case they are basing their opinion on the YTer, not the content. Just sayin'. If you don't like that person why watch? Hmm, in this case my first assumption is that it's some kind of bot rather than a person stalking a youtuber's page just to dislike videos as soon as they are posted. Perhaps I just don't understand the kinds of intense emotions that crafty videos inspire, LOL!
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Post by joblackford on Jul 10, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
Watch CZ's instagram stories. I choose not to any more! She reminded me that there was a MUTE button on Stories and I was happy to use it on her. lol. The thing I saw yesterday was JMcGuire quoting someone I don't know (maybe just a regular fangirl?) defending KWerner in her Stories. Just a quick screenshot and share kind of thing, so maybe not a lot of thought was put into how that comes across.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jul 10, 2019 19:02:43 GMT
It always makes me giggle how worked up people get about a thumbs down.
I thumbs down many videos of a particular youtuber because she will do a tutorial or project based on someone's video or blog etc snd she never links the post/video. She always uses some bullshit excuse that she can't remember where she saw the inspiration.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 10, 2019 19:40:21 GMT
Its always Jennifer McGuire and Kristina Werner crying about thumbs down. This really is a case of either get a thicker skin or get off you tube. And yes, I have seen the many, many posts on IG from Jennifer McGuire about her anxiety issues. That does not make her immune from feedback, positive AND negative. She’s on a platform that allows feedback. Every time she goes on a kindness kick and all her buddies join in on their pages, I assume she got a thumbs down recently.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 10, 2019 20:02:09 GMT
I saw a YouTuber complain recently about getting one single dislike on her videos. She just couldn't figure out why anyone would give a thumbs down. Her reasoning was that people should be grateful and not complain because it's free content. I guess that's one point of view but to expect everyone to agree with that is silly. People have different opinions and they won't always be in line with ours. Fact of life.
I checked CZ's IG stories and she doesn't have any right now. What did I miss?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 10, 2019 20:12:24 GMT
Oh brother I judge kids public presentations and they want the negative so they can improve! Sometimes adults can be so ridiculous!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 10, 2019 20:13:53 GMT
Yep, totally. I don't usually thumbs down videos (and almost never thumb up them, either) but I have done it on a few. One I recall vividly was from someone I really like but she was given free product to use in her video and you could really tell she was uncomfortable feeling like she had to praise this company...or at least that's how it came across because the quality of her video and what she had to say was worse than something I'd produce without any editing...nothing at all like her usual quality.
The problem is (and I've said this on just about every video from people I generally like that feels the need to attack any thumbs downers as having horrible lives who want to share their misery), this constant need for positive feedback and mob like mentality that builds up everywhere means that even when people have constructive criticism to offer, they end up essentially being digitally cornered and harassed by fangirls. Sometimes it's just easier to leave a thumbs down and walk away than get into an argument with people who cannot handle even the slightest bit of criticism (the fangirls, not necessarily the content creator).
The reality is, just because you pour your heart and soul into something and spend ages on it (and even if you don't edit a thing but usually have good content) sometimes something you do or make sucks. That's the part of being in the art realm, not everything is going to be amazing. Can you imagine what the world would be like if actors spent their promotional time bitching to interviewers how mean the critics were, how awful people were for saying a movie they spent months working on sucked and how terrible their lives must be for disliking something someone put so much effort into? Effort does not equal a masterpiece and to get offended because someone doesn't like something you make is ridiculous.
There are definitely instances of people feeling the need to just write down whatever thought pops into their head and it can certainly be unnecessary, but this projection on what a thumbs down means about the person who left it is RIDICULOUS. If you can't accept that not everyone is going to like you, like what you make or appreciate the efforts you took into producing something, you shouldn't be creating content. Things you put on the web aren't just going out to people in your safe space. Hell, there are scrapbookers who make stuff JUST FOR THEM who get criticism about their choice of hobby AT HOME.
I think I'm rambling now...off the soapbox...
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 10, 2019 20:19:37 GMT
Watch CZ's instagram stories. I choose not to any more! She reminded me that there was a MUTE button on Stories and I was happy to use it on her. lol. The thing I saw yesterday was JMcGuire quoting someone I don't know (maybe just a regular fangirl?) defending KWerner in her Stories. Just a quick screenshot and share kind of thing, so maybe not a lot of thought was put into how that comes across. Kristina lost me a while ago when she started ranting about 'how dare people take my videos on HOW TO MAKE SOMETHING and MAKE IT...dun dun dun...EXACTLY LIKE MINE.' The only way to keep something secret is to not show people the end result...and certainly don't share HOW YOU MADE THE THING. If you didn't want people copying you (usually because emulation is the best fucking way to learn how to do something and branch out on your own, ffs) then you shouldn't share what you made. To add insult to injury, sharing this shit MAKES HER MONEY BECAUSE PEOPLE THEN BUY THE STUFF SHE'S USING. Either by buying the stuff she designed or using affiliate links. The audacity she had to bitch about that.
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Post by Embri on Jul 10, 2019 20:55:43 GMT
I thumbs down a lot of videos. I also thumbs up a lot of videos, and probably ignore (no thumbs either way) about 75% of what I watch.
The reasons for thumbs down vary hugely. It might be the host has a lot of verbal tics, maybe the camera was all wobbly, they had kids/pets making a lot of noise constantly, they rambled instead of getting to the point, the audio was excessively loud/quiet, it was an obvious shill for a company, the title didn't accurately reflect the video's contents (clickbait) or any one of many other things. They all end up being 'I did not enjoy watching this video, and would have preferred to have spent X minutes on something else by the end of it' which equals a thumbs down from me. I've never downvoted a video because of the channel/person. That's just silly; if I know I don't like person X's videos, I stop watching them.
I fully expect to see some downvotes on every single video I watch on YouTube. If a video has no downvotes, I get suspicious (unless the view count is also very low) - no video pleases everyone. Some downvotes is normal and to be expected.
A few times I've tried actually saying why I downvoted (not saying 'hey I downvoted you' but just stating my concerns, i.e. 'hey when you said X it's actually Y'. ) and I have been white knighted and called a troll (lol! that's not what a troll is) for that, despite trying to remain objectively polite as possible and sticking to facts instead of feelings. So I stopped. Now I just downvote and move on, possibly tell YouTube 'I don't like this video' so it stops showing me content from that channel.
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Post by papersilly on Jul 10, 2019 21:13:38 GMT
exactly! if you are going to get all cry-baby about public comments, don't make something public and accessible to comments. if you (the celebs) want to control the comments, then do your thing in your living room and invite only the people who will shower you with kisses.
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Post by crabbycrafter on Jul 10, 2019 21:46:00 GMT
It’s all about attention and nothing more. Some people will do whatever they can to make themselves the topic of conversation. Gushing about their picture perfect lives, and then being surprised when they discover people get sick of hearing about it. Attention is what it all boils down to, the positive and negative. It doesn’t matter which kind.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 10, 2019 22:13:05 GMT
The problem is (and I've said this on just about every video from people I generally like that feels the need to attack any thumbs downers as having horrible lives who want to share their misery), this constant need for positive feedback and mob like mentality that builds up everywhere means that even when people have constructive criticism to offer, they end up essentially being digitally cornered and harassed by fangirls. Sometimes it's just easier to leave a thumbs down and walk away than get into an argument with people who cannot handle even the slightest bit of criticism (the fangirls, not necessarily the content creator). The reality is, just because you pour your heart and soul into something and spend ages on it (and even if you don't edit a thing but usually have good content) sometimes something you do or make sucks. That's the part of being in the art realm, not everything is going to be amazing. Can you imagine what the world would be like if actors spent their promotional time bitching to interviewers how mean the critics were, how awful people were for saying a movie they spent months working on sucked and how terrible their lives must be for disliking something someone put so much effort into? Effort does not equal a masterpiece and to get offended because someone doesn't like something you make is ridiculous. There are definitely instances of people feeling the need to just write down whatever thought pops into their head and it can certainly be unnecessary, but this projection on what a thumbs down means about the person who left it is RIDICULOUS. If you can't accept that not everyone is going to like you, like what you make or appreciate the efforts you took into producing something, you shouldn't be creating content. Things you put on the web aren't just going out to people in your safe space. Hell, there are scrapbookers who make stuff JUST FOR THEM who get criticism about their choice of hobby AT HOME. I think I'm rambling now...off the soapbox... The video I mentioned above turned into this. Actually it was the comments, too. The YouTuber basically said that people who thumbs down or complain must be miserable and the fangirls got riled up and came to her defense. I think that's what the YouTuber wanted. Everyone tell that one person who is giving me a thumbs down how awful they are and tell me how awesome I am. So, actually, no. A thumbs down or a negative comment doesn't mean a person is miserable.As Embri said, it could be any number of things.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 10, 2019 22:34:08 GMT
I'm not sure how I feel about his actually. I can see both sides of it. Perhaps as a teacher I am wearing a bit of a different hat. I have never left a thumbs down (and I have seen the good and the bad). I am also not a person who would do that without explaining. I think we live in an everybody gets a trophy era and people react differently to that. Personally, if I had an issue with content, a wobbly camera, etc. I would leave a comment (and do it nicely). I think many people do work hard to put out free content and are surprised that someone would leave negative feedback. I also think there are some people out there who get their jollies on being mean, and some people have actual issues with the video. Perhaps having a discussion in the comments would be more productive. That way someone could work on what was explained and not just clicked.
I personally love it when a cat walks over someone's stuff. Kind of makes me chuckle. Other people hate it. If you comment kindly that the cat is kind of distracting, maybe the person would make sure the cat isn't in the next video. I just think people (in general) need to explain things and do it in the way they want to be treated. I also don't get why people would watch a video they would give a thumbs down. When one starts going off the rails for me (or when I know jazz hands are coming up for the good-bye) I just stop the video and move on.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 10, 2019 22:39:39 GMT
OMG I saw that too! (well, maybe the same thing you saw - someone upset for someone else's sake, and then someone else piling on on IG stories). I just shook my head. 10 or 20 thumbs down on a video with 12k views and 1k likes - yeah, who cares?! Sure, sometimes you love a video so much and you see some people have thumbs downed it and you think, ugh, how could they? (especially if it's a newbie YTer or someone who obviously isn't a pro and was just sharing their passion). But someone with 300 or 400k subscribers doesn't need to worry about the few people who say "no thanks." Maybe it was someone who hates you, or was expecting something different from the video. YT sometimes shows videos that they think a person will like based on their other videos and it's WILDLY off base. Or maybe it's 14 yo boys who like to hate stuff. I don't know. (I blame 14yo boys for everything that happens that I don't like on YT - that's my bias. lol) I don't know that the YTer who made the video was necessarily upset, at least in the case I think we're talking about. It was someone else being upset on their behalf, which is a bit dumb. And if you're a YTer you probably would wish that everyone gave everything a like, on everyone's channel, not just your own. My personal policy is to only thumbs down something that was deliberately misleading. Otherwise I just click away to someone else's video. But getting bent out of shape by a handful of trolls is pretty pathetic. Watch CZ's instagram stories. She’s friends with Kristina Werner so I think that tells me who the crybaby is. I usually like cz, but handslapping those of us with opinions is a bit off putting.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 10, 2019 22:47:51 GMT
Watch CZ's instagram stories. She’s friends with Kristina Werner so I think that tells me who the crybaby is. I usually like cz, but handslapping those of us with opinions is a bit off putting. No matter who it is I still think it's out of line to thumbs down a video when there is no way you watched it. That's just my opinion. You have yours. It's OK that they are different.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 10, 2019 22:54:41 GMT
The problem is (and I've said this on just about every video from people I generally like that feels the need to attack any thumbs downers as having horrible lives who want to share their misery), this constant need for positive feedback and mob like mentality that builds up everywhere means that even when people have constructive criticism to offer, they end up essentially being digitally cornered and harassed by fangirls. Sometimes it's just easier to leave a thumbs down and walk away than get into an argument with people who cannot handle even the slightest bit of criticism (the fangirls, not necessarily the content creator). The reality is, just because you pour your heart and soul into something and spend ages on it (and even if you don't edit a thing but usually have good content) sometimes something you do or make sucks. That's the part of being in the art realm, not everything is going to be amazing. Can you imagine what the world would be like if actors spent their promotional time bitching to interviewers how mean the critics were, how awful people were for saying a movie they spent months working on sucked and how terrible their lives must be for disliking something someone put so much effort into? Effort does not equal a masterpiece and to get offended because someone doesn't like something you make is ridiculous. There are definitely instances of people feeling the need to just write down whatever thought pops into their head and it can certainly be unnecessary, but this projection on what a thumbs down means about the person who left it is RIDICULOUS. If you can't accept that not everyone is going to like you, like what you make or appreciate the efforts you took into producing something, you shouldn't be creating content. Things you put on the web aren't just going out to people in your safe space. Hell, there are scrapbookers who make stuff JUST FOR THEM who get criticism about their choice of hobby AT HOME. I think I'm rambling now...off the soapbox... The video I mentioned above turned into this. Actually it was the comments, too. The YouTuber basically said that people who thumbs down or complain must be miserable and the fangirls got riled up and came to her defense. I think that's what the YouTuber wanted. Everyone tell that one person who is giving me a thumbs down how awful they are and tell me how awesome I am. So, actually, no. A thumbs down or a negative comment doesn't mean a person is miserable.As Embri said, it could be any number of things. The thing is, mercytiara said that that's exactly what it means about the person leaving the thumbs down. SHE'S A FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST and is blanketing one action to define what someone must be like. If ANYONE should know better than to say some shit like that, it ought to be someone who spends their career delving into the complexities of the lives of people with issues (even just life problems, not necessarily mental health crises) and knows that everyone is complex and not a single action defines who they are, wouldn't you think?
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Post by BSideCrafter on Jul 10, 2019 22:54:46 GMT
A thumbs down during the early part of the video could be YouTube recommended it to them, but it's not something they are interested in. So a thumbs down means it won't end up in their recommended anymore.
I don't understand being upset. They're clearly making a living off of it even with 10 "negative" responses. If you only want positive responses only post to Facebook where you can delete those you don't like and keep your overly crazy positive thing going.
I don't watch KW anymore. I didn't like the weird on-screen intro thing and I don't need 5000 videos about water coloring and some of her stuff started to feel the same.
I don't watch JM because her videos are 2 hours just doing the same thing over and over.
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Post by KelleeM on Jul 10, 2019 22:56:52 GMT
If I don’t care for a video I just stop it and move on. I typically give a thumbs up if I find it interesting enough to watch the whole video. I’m with 950nancy in liking the cats that walk onto the project! I really appreciate that people make videos.
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Post by scrappyem on Jul 10, 2019 23:04:19 GMT
I pretty much give a thumbs up to every video I watch unless I really don't like it because it's my way of thanking the creator for making the video. If I really don't like it, I never give a thumbs down, I just move-on. Everyone has a bad day/project and I honesty don't care that much. I'd rather not hurt someone's feelings & the thumbs down do seem to hurt folk's feeling in a way that can be overly dramatic and overblown. But I have no problem with folks that do leave the thumbs down if that's what they want to do. Some dislikes should be expected.
!00% agree that it's bs when someone thumbs down a video they don't watch or thumbs down one particular Youtuber on every video. Get a life and go watch something else. I have a friend who has someone do this on every video. We laugh about it but it does annoy her.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 10, 2019 23:05:03 GMT
And this is where creators can't please everyone. I really don't like to see pets included (unless they're in the photo being scrapbooked) whatsoever. I find that to be distracting, but I won't thumbs down a video for that unless it's overtly distracting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 23:24:41 GMT
I'm not sure how I feel about his actually. I can see both sides of it. Perhaps as a teacher I am wearing a bit of a different hat. I have never left a thumbs down (and I have seen the good and the bad). I am also not a person who would do that without explaining. I think we live in an everybody gets a trophy era and people react differently to that. Personally, if I had an issue with content, a wobbly camera, etc. I would leave a comment (and do it nicely). I think many people do work hard to put out free content and are surprised that someone would leave negative feedback. I also think there are some people out there who get their jollies on being mean, and some people have actual issues with the video. Perhaps having a discussion in the comments would be more productive. That way someone could work on what was explained and not just clicked. I personally love it when a cat walks over someone's stuff. Kind of makes me chuckle. Other people hate it. If you comment kindly that the cat is kind of distracting, maybe the person would make sure the cat isn't in the next video. I just think people (in general) need to explain things and do it in the way they want to be treated. I also don't get why people would watch a video they would give a thumbs down. When one starts going off the rails for me (or when I know jazz hands are coming up for the good-bye) I just stop the video and move on. I absolutely agree with this. Could be that I am wearing my teacher hat too. I'm a new YT content creator and I expect that I will inevitably get some negative feedback. I'm human. I make mistakes. What I do will not appeal to everyone. But I don't consider a thumbs down to be an effective form of feedback. As this thread has demonstrated, there are a multitude of reasons why someone may give a video a thumbs down (some genuine,some not so genuine). But none of those reasons are able to be communicated with the click of just one button. So the content creator has no way of knowing what could be improved. As a viewer I do t think I've ever looked at the thumbs up/thumbs down count on a video, to me it's such an anonymous and impersonal judgement of the content.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 10, 2019 23:44:41 GMT
She’s friends with Kristina Werner so I think that tells me who the crybaby is. I usually like cz, but handslapping those of us with opinions is a bit off putting. No matter who it is I still think it's out of line to thumbs down a video when there is no way you watched it. That's just my opinion. You have yours. It's OK that they are different. I don’t even watch videos so I don’t thumbs up or down. I just think KW is a twat is all.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 11, 2019 0:02:06 GMT
No matter who it is I still think it's out of line to thumbs down a video when there is no way you watched it. That's just my opinion. You have yours. It's OK that they are different. I don’t even watch videos so I don’t thumbs up or down. I just think KW is a twat is all. Wow, uh, okay.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 11, 2019 0:38:35 GMT
No matter who it is I still think it's out of line to thumbs down a video when there is no way you watched it. That's just my opinion. You have yours. It's OK that they are different. I don’t even watch videos so I don’t thumbs up or down. I just think KW is a twat is all. Haha, I think she comes off as very inauthentic.
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