camcas
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Post by camcas on Jul 11, 2019 23:48:17 GMT
Honestly with that kind of open and juvenile complaining, they’re just going to open themselves up to a bunch of people thumbs downing them, because they can. Exactly! i just saw a new JM video up and had a fleeting thought that I should thumbs down to see what happens..... ‘I didn’t but.......🤪
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Post by joblackford on Jul 12, 2019 0:08:29 GMT
ooh, her attitude and superiority irritated me so much I posted a comment on her latest instagram post. oops. (I really should STOP thinking about her- except that the superior, smarter-and-better-than-you attitude reminds me SO much of my older sister.) Here's the thing (I hate that phrase, by the way-- she uses it a lot)... I used to LOVE reading CZ's blog. I thought she was sort of sarcastic, but funny. Has she changed, or is it truly a case of not being able to read 'tone' and not seeing her expression thru her writing? And now that I can see her talking (I never watched any videos of hers before), maybe I never WOULD have liked her had I heard her talking instead of just reading her writing. Replying to this and other previous comments about CZs bitchiness and negativity lately, yeah, I think something's shifted. She always had that snark and negativity and I used to find it pretty funny. I liked that she would sometimes say things that were a bit unguarded and sarcastic or bitchy, but lately it's gotten to be too much. I don't know if she's hardening somehow, or if she is getting too much in her own head about some stuff (is business not going well?) Maybe some bitchiness has rubbed off from certain friends. Or maybe I've just gotten tired of her. I don't think IG Stories is a very good place for people who run businesses to communicate with their fans - not if you do the video confessional thing. Just like with BH, it can get out of hand and you can easily say things that you might have wisely edited out if you were writing a blog post. It seriously shocks me that she added those Stories to her highlights. Like, that's the brand she wants people to see? A collection of bitchiness and whining? I know it's labelled as "personal" stuff but still, it's on her brand page. Maybe rants should just disappear into the ether after 24 hours, if you have to put them out in public in the first place. Let it go...
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Post by joblackford on Jul 12, 2019 0:17:15 GMT
Also, CZ doubled down in today's stories, showing how you can tell YT that you're not interested in a particular video by using the three dots below the video and clicking "not interested." That's a technique I use often, but it's usually to get YT to stop recommending videos I have no interest in watching. If, as many have said, I'm watching a video and I don't want to see any more like it, the thumbs down is by far easier. (CZ even acknowledged this, first saying her way was easier, then backtracking and saying, well, maybe not.) I just went over to YT to unsub from CZ videos (bye bye) and then clicked on a random video to see what my options are. Once you're watching the video your only choices are to like/thumbs down it, report it (which obvs you wouldn't want to do), or just click away to another video. Sometimes if I leave a video partway through YT will ask me later to rate the video compared to other videos I've watched lately. I use the "not interested" option from the home screen when YT totally misunderstands what I'm interested in.
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Post by Citygirl on Jul 12, 2019 1:25:54 GMT
Wow on the CZ rant.....that was one of the most ridiculous, most whiny things I’ve ever heard. Thumbs downing the thumbs downers 🙄 so incredibly unprofessional for a business account. You can’t go through life never expecting to get any kind of criticism, especially job related. Gotta have a little thicker skin if you’re going to put yourself out there for public consumption on the internet.
I used to be a huge fan of hers for a long time. She lost me the last few years for a myriad of reasons. I still read her blog occasionally but could never handle her IG stories.
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Post by marie on Jul 12, 2019 2:42:10 GMT
I just checked out CZ’s stories. I’m a little shocked at her comment about how nobody wants your opinion. Really? I can always show you my opinion by keeping my wallet shut. What is it with these crafters? Let’s just all have sunshine and rainbows and join the mutual admiration society. And it’s not just YouTube. It extends to IG and Facebook. The Tracie Claiborne and Becky Higgins threads have discussions about how those two delete negative comments and ban users who disagree. It seems many of these celebs can’t take constructive criticism or even tolerate someone who’s opinion differs from theirs. I was waiting to see if someone brought this comment up. I will be honest - I *was* a fan of CZ. I follow her on Facebook, etc and have bought her stamps. This comment really has rubbed me the wrong way and I cant say that I wont unfollow her or that I will ever purchase her products again. *I* do get an opinion because I am who buys your products and classes. Don't get me started on Tracie Claiborne. Bottom line? Don't put your hobby out there for the world to see and expect everyone to love it. Or love you. I am honestly shocked by CZ's comments on her IG stories. She's always been snarky and sarcastic but that one comment about opinions went way too far I think. And she's posting it on her brand page not her personal page? Why? It's so ironic! She can have an opinion but the rest of us can't? I think it's time to unsubscribe.
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Post by Embri on Jul 12, 2019 8:18:06 GMT
Also, I want to when they are constantly talking about who's product they are using, its overkill to say the mfg name 5 times in a 10 minute video (5 minutes of it being babble). Oh yes, this is a personal pet peeve. Especially when they're oh-so-careful to give you the full product name / manufacturer every single time they mention the product. Over and over. For the whole video. At that point you might as well put a QR code on the screen that takes folks directly to the shopfront because you're clearly producing an infomercial, not a tutorial.
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Post by alyssam on Jul 12, 2019 13:39:08 GMT
She’s friends with Kristina Werner so I think that tells me who the crybaby is. I usually like cz, but handslapping those of us with opinions is a bit off putting. No matter who it is I still think it's out of line to thumbs down a video when there is no way you watched it. That's just my opinion. You have yours. It's OK that they are different. I personally think you should comment if you give a thumbs down, so improvement can be made... Or just unsubscribe and leave. Lol. But there ARE bots that give thumbs downs, which sucks because seriously you never know if someone didn't like your video or if someone with too much time on their hands actually spent time creating a bot to downgrade people's work. SMH. But, complaining about criticism online... Yeah, not cool. 😝
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Post by marg on Jul 12, 2019 14:01:51 GMT
Could not agree more. “Share Handmade Kindness” is trademarked. Looks like someone trying to protect an investment instead of someone actually spreading RAK (random acts of kindness.) Am I the only one that finds the "Share Handmade Kindness" catchphrase to be a bit odd? I guess for me it comes down to calling your own actions kind, which seems a bit presumptuous/egotistical, I guess because to me, "kind" is an adjective usually used for someone other than yourself. Saying you're kind is like saying you're humble. If you insist on saying you're humble, you're usually not. I've never heard anyone else have this view so I think I'm the oddball, but it's bothered me ever since she launched it. I know that's not what JM intended but my very literal brain insists on interpreting it that way. Yes, I've always found it disingenuous. These women are all literally signalling "Look at us, we're all so kind!". Their kindness also seems to be reserved for their group of friends, from what I can tell, but then again I usually just roll my eyes and move on, so maybe I missed something. And this is coming from someone who actually likes most of these ladies, lol. I took a class from JM and she was one of the best teachers I've ever had, and really nice to everyone.
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Post by marg on Jul 12, 2019 14:07:44 GMT
Replying to this and other previous comments about CZs bitchiness and negativity lately, yeah, I think something's shifted. She always had that snark and negativity and I used to find it pretty funny. I liked that she would sometimes say things that were a bit unguarded and sarcastic or bitchy, but lately it's gotten to be too much. I don't know if she's hardening somehow, or if she is getting too much in her own head about some stuff (is business not going well?) Maybe some bitchiness has rubbed off from certain friends. Or maybe I've just gotten tired of her. I think what's changed is that she's now a cardmaker and hanging out with cardmakers. She wasn't like this when she was simply a scrapbooker, she reminded me more of Ali Edwards in terms of being fairly professional.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 12, 2019 14:47:29 GMT
I think what's changed is that she's now a cardmaker and hanging out with cardmakers. She wasn't like this when she was simply a scrapbooker, she reminded me more of Ali Edwards in terms of being fairly professional. yeah, I totally missed when she switched to cardmaking... and the one IG story where she said "kristina werner is an ARTIST and I will FIGHT anyone who says otherwise" was just-- odd?!? (so was her 'it's just a CARD, people!' comment because, well, duh- if it's *just a card* then why are your panties in a wad about it?!?) In my opinion, grown-ass adult women should NOT need their clique-ish friends sticking up for them a la eighth grade. I've been out of middle school a long time and I have no desire to revisit it ever again-- on the internet or otherwise.
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Post by marg on Jul 12, 2019 15:10:42 GMT
yeah, I totally missed when she switched to cardmaking... and the one IG story where she said "kristina werner is an ARTIST and I will FIGHT anyone who says otherwise" was just-- odd?!? (so was her 'it's just a CARD, people!' comment because, well, duh- if it's *just a card* then why are your panties in a wad about it?!?) In my opinion, grown-ass adult women should NOT need their clique-ish friends sticking up for them a la eight grade. I've been out of middle school a long time and I have no desire to revisit it ever again-- on the internet or otherwise. CZ literally called Scrapbooking "Crapbooking" and was all cool about it. I loved that she didn't take it all as seriously as many others did. Then she becomes a cardmaker and starts becoming super close with KW and JM and GK and now she's complaining and taking it way too seriously. It sure looks like she's in 8th grade now - she's the 7th Sixth Chick, lol. (I hope people get my 13 Going on 30 reference).
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Post by crafty on Jul 12, 2019 15:22:09 GMT
I’ve never used the thumbs down (or thumbs up) button so I am unaware, but can they tell who gave the rating or is it just truly anonymous?
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Post by sunny1016 on Jul 12, 2019 15:33:58 GMT
CZ literally called Scrapbooking "Crapbooking" and was all cool about it. I loved that she didn't take it all as seriously as many others did. Then she becomes a cardmaker and starts becoming super close with KW and JM and GK and now she's complaining and taking it way too seriously. It sure looks like she's in 8th grade now - she's the 7th Sixth Chick, lol. (I hope people get my 13 Going on 30 reference). Totally get it!!! To me the first thing that put me off to CZ was (and its still on her "personal" stories @ 7wks) when she went off about a comment left on one of her cardmaking videos. I saw the comment and I saw how her clique backed her up. It wasn't a bad comment. I didn't think it was offensive at all?? They just stated that it looked abstract with where she place her sentiment. It was odd to me that this set her off and her rebuttal was to say they can take their lack of design know how and shove it up their ... How the hell does she know what this person knows. And I mean she herself says it "just" cardmaking. It really did change how I feel about her, and yes I liked her a lot and have been following her for years. I kinda feel like she hasn't changed, this is how she really always has been. Instagram and social media sometimes uncover the wizard behind the curtain. kwim?
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Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 12, 2019 17:10:30 GMT
I’ve never used the thumbs down (or thumbs up) button so I am unaware, but can they tell who gave the rating or is it just truly anonymous? On YouTube a thumbs up or thumbs down is anonymous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 17:40:28 GMT
CZ literally called Scrapbooking "Crapbooking" and was all cool about it. I loved that she didn't take it all as seriously as many others did. Then she becomes a cardmaker and starts becoming super close with KW and JM and GK and now she's complaining and taking it way too seriously. It sure looks like she's in 8th grade now - she's the 7th Sixth Chick, lol. (I hope people get my 13 Going on 30 reference). Totally get it!!! To me the first thing that put me off to CZ was (and its still on her "personal" stories @ 7wks) when she went off about a comment left on one of her cardmaking videos. I saw the comment and I saw how her clique backed her up. It wasn't a bad comment. I didn't think it was offensive at all?? They just stated that it looked abstract with where she place her sentiment. It was odd to me that this set her off and her rebuttal was to say they can take their lack of design know how and shove it up their ... How the hell does she know what this person knows. And I mean she herself says it "just" cardmaking. It really did change how I feel about her, and yes I liked her a lot and have been following her for years. I kinda feel like she hasn't changed, this is how she really always has been. Instagram and social media sometimes uncover the wizard behind the curtain. kwim?Ain't that the truth. And the real IG-live wizards, for many of them, are nothing like the smiley peace-and-love persona they portray on their "curated" grids. I think these "let me tell you what I really think" IG-lives are just a really, really bad idea for anyone running a business.
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ditzydoodle
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Jun 2, 2019 19:02:16 GMT
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Post by ditzydoodle on Jul 12, 2019 19:58:37 GMT
I have been posting videos on YT since about 2008. I've gotten many thumbs down votes and down right rude comments on my videos. No hurt feelings and I don't go off on a tangent about how mean the world is. I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks of me or whether or not they like me in the real world, YT is no different. I usually give a thumbs up to videos I really like, and only thumbs down if the person says "um, uh.." repeatedly, or says the same thing ten times or the camera is shaky, etc. I used to watch KW and JM when I first really started getting into card making a few years ago. I gradually stopped watching KW because she always kind of did the same techniques and I got bored. JM lost me partly because I find her sort of braggy in a backhanded kind of way, and partly on her end of year favorite things I think it was last year. She was talking about die cut machines, and showed her vagabond. She said she really liked it, but didn't use it anymore because it didn't fit into her drawer. Alrighty then... I do occasionally check her videos and will watch a few minutes if it is something I am interested in - and then I only watch one or two of her examples because I start getting turned off. I think it was her stamping with baby wipes video, where she opened up a huge box of every color reinker by a certain company. Really? "I usually don't buy reinkers, however I recently purchased every color reinker from GK because I've been using GK ink pads a LOT recently and so has my daughter..." That seems braggy to me. How can you use every single ink pad so much it needs reinked? Maybe she does, I don't know. I still though it was bragging or showing off a huge box filled with reinkers.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 13, 2019 7:27:08 GMT
I’ve never used the thumbs down (or thumbs up) button so I am unaware, but can they tell who gave the rating or is it just truly anonymous? On YouTube a thumbs up or thumbs down is anonymous. I thought you could get emailed as a notification when someone liked your video (never for thumbs down, though). Has that changed? It was the same type of email you would get when you got a new subscriber.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 8:14:39 GMT
Well my gorgeous ladies I had to take time off because of the flooding. I came back over here to see scrap stars gone wrong again, lol. We should have a static thread called "When Scrap Stars Go Wrong." I don't watch Jennifer's videos. Nothing offensive. I don't have her stamp style. I am not judging her at all. If she does have anxiety as bad as you all say she needs to reevaluate her decisions to make videos. I know every anxiety sufferer has different levels of what they can handle. It seems to me she has a need to defend her friends. That does quite happen often with those of us who do have anxiety. It is only going to make it worse. I have a feeling when JM does have a breakdown, because it's not a matter of if but when, then these women like KW & CZ won't be there for her. She's a marketing tool and nothing more. I wish a lot of these scrap stars would understand this. She seems to always be defending someone- Hero Arts, Misti, etc.... There seems to be a noticeable trend with scrap stars now saying they have anxiety- Becky, Jennifer. I am not saying these women do not. I am really not trying to demean them if they really do have anxiety. I noticed it seems to be a trend now to say that. This industry just seems so snake oil to me at times. It is like the big companies tell them "Anxiety is being talked about now, this is good marketing, throw it in your social media to bring in more customers" kind of thing. I guess I don't trust it. If I made YT videos I do admit I would care about thumbs down. I DO have anxiety. That would be a trigger. I know this. I am healthy about this. My rational side would be I know it's a fourteen year old boy, or somebody who was just trying to get better algorithims for their own feeds. In the back of my mind I would be like "What did I do wrong?" I definitely wouldn't whine about it. I have a speech impediment and dyslexic. It is my sensitive thing. I don't leave thumbs down. I will critique if it is a YT I know really well, that I leave positive comments to all the time. If she is trying a new thing with her camera and it's not working I will tell her. I also tell her what I like about the video too. I have thought about leaving thumbs down so I can get better hits for my own content I watch. I always had this silly thought if I did this would some YT get hurt and make a two hour long video about what a bad person and how miserable I am because I was one who actually gave her a thumbs down? I know silly right? This thread proved I am not silly, lol. Maybe some of these Scrap stars should think about that! The horrible and misguided complaining they are doing are hurting innocent people who were just trying to get better algorithms so they could have a nice enjoyable YT session. Another case of how this industry is so arrogant. Scrap Stars stop using kindness as a marketing tool. I really think there is something sick about that. You are either a kind person or you are not. You don't market it.
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Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 13, 2019 14:30:07 GMT
On YouTube a thumbs up or thumbs down is anonymous. I thought you could get emailed as a notification when someone liked your video (never for thumbs down, though). Has that changed? It was the same type of email you would get when you got a new subscriber. I’m not sure about a thumbs up but I’m sure a thumbs down is anonymous. Maybe a pea YouTuber can tell us their experience.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 13, 2019 16:39:23 GMT
where do I find Cathy Z's instagram story?? I found her instagram page, but I don't see where I go to find the 'story' (which is a video, right? I usually ignore the stories.) Thank you for asking all of those questions! I usually avoid instagram stories and would be happy if they went away. I only came to instagram for the pictures!
I don't know how new this is, but it looks like the most recent story from Cathy Z on instagram is that she heard you! Some people give a thumbs down because they don't want the video to show up in their feed. BUT when you see suggestions in your feed, you can choose the hide from feed option which she thinks is easier. I have no idea because I don't have a youtube subscription.
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Post by Embri on Jul 14, 2019 7:25:39 GMT
BUT when you see suggestions in your feed, you can choose the hide from feed option which she thinks is easier. I have no idea because I don't have a youtube subscription.
It is easier - if you're in your feed, rather than already watching. Let's say you've clicked on an interesting looking thumbnail from the sidebar for the next play. There's no other easy way to tell the algorithm "no more of this!" than thumbs-down on the current video if you're already watching it. What you'll get in your Recommended is semi-random and does not usually feature many videos you've already watched or started watching, so to avoid wasting time refreshing the page over and over in the hopes you *might* get that one video you'd prefer not to see so you can pick 'Not interested'... yeah, I don't care to do that. Putting videos on YouTube (or any other content on any other platform with a ratings system) means you're going to get some negs. Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
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nicolep
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Post by nicolep on Jul 14, 2019 14:33:17 GMT
These scrapbooking 'celebs' need to put their big girl panties on. Give me a break.
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Post by gale w on Jul 14, 2019 15:40:43 GMT
Also, CZ doubled down in today's stories, showing how you can tell YT that you're not interested in a particular video by using the three dots below the video and clicking "not interested." That's a technique I use often, but it's usually to get YT to stop recommending videos I have no interest in watching. If, as many have said, I'm watching a video and I don't want to see any more like it, the thumbs down is by far easier. (CZ even acknowledged this, first saying her way was easier, then backtracking and saying, well, maybe not.) I didn't know that. I'll have to try it because my kids always use my YouTube to find videos to cast to the TV and then I get all kinds of weird recommendations. As for videos, I like to watch JM because she focuses on techniques that can be used on other cards. I know this sounds awful but I don't like to watch KW because of her voice. It bugs me. I don't give thumbs down on videos though. I rarely give thumbs up.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 14, 2019 17:04:52 GMT
It is easier - if you're in your feed, rather than already watching. Let's say you've clicked on an interesting looking thumbnail from the sidebar for the next play. There's no other easy way to tell the algorithm "no more of this!" than thumbs-down on the current video if you're already watching it. What you'll get in your Recommended is semi-random and does not usually feature many videos you've already watched or started watching, so to avoid wasting time refreshing the page over and over in the hopes you *might* get that one video you'd prefer not to see so you can pick 'Not interested'... yeah, I don't care to do that. I was thinking that, but since I've never subscribed I thought I could be wrong.
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Post by Embri on Jul 14, 2019 18:31:53 GMT
I was thinking that, but since I've never subscribed I thought I could be wrong. Even if you're not subscribed to any channels and even if you don't log in to YouTube, it still remembers you and will tune your videos based on what you previously watched. The only way to completely avoid that is to nuke all your browser data / cookies, even then I'm not sure it completely forgets. Google really, really REALLY wants to show you tailored feeds.
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Post by lilacgal on Jul 14, 2019 20:38:43 GMT
I thought you could get emailed as a notification when someone liked your video (never for thumbs down, though). Has that changed? It was the same type of email you would get when you got a new subscriber. I’m not sure about a thumbs up but I’m sure a thumbs down is anonymous. Maybe a pea YouTuber can tell us their experience. I don’t get a notification of a thumbs up, thumbs down, or when I get a comment on my own video. I have to log into creator studio to find that out.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Jul 14, 2019 22:57:13 GMT
Someone correct me if I'm wrong ~ didn't CZ come back to her IG story and post more? I could have sworn she made a comment about instead of thumbing down that people should leave a comment instead. Did I dream that?
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christinec68
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Jun 26, 2014 18:02:19 GMT
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Post by christinec68 on Jul 14, 2019 23:58:07 GMT
Someone correct me if I'm wrong ~ didn't CZ come back to her IG story and post more? I could have sworn she made a comment about instead of thumbing down that people should leave a comment instead. Did I dream that? She came back the next day and said that if someone doesn’t like a video, they should mark it “not interested” from the three dot down menu in the bottom right side of the thumbnail instead of giving a thumbs down. I think she did say constructive criticism was ok which was sort of surprising given the reaction to a thumbs down.
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Post by krcrafts on Jul 15, 2019 1:06:06 GMT
Someone correct me if I'm wrong ~ didn't CZ come back to her IG story and post more? I could have sworn she made a comment about instead of thumbing down that people should leave a comment instead. Did I dream that? Yes, she did say something about leaving a comment instead of a thumbs down. But when did she become the boss of youtube? I know my attitude toward her is because she just seemed to waltz into the stamping arena acting like a know-it-all when she really didn’t know anything about stamping and has joined the stamp clique. The whole thing has pissed me off and I don’t ever leave a thumbs down or post many negative posts anywhere (notice I said many because this is clearly a negative one). I’m tired of the “high and mighty of the stamp/sb world” telling me how the hell to react to their content. Sick of the cliques, sick of the handslapping and sick of the “be kind” bs. They should be THANKING us for the money in their pockets. Ingrates. ETA: And while I’m at it, if the youtube complainers (in this case, KW, but includes others) insist that she be credited for designs/techniques/folds/whatever, then why can’t they at least like the post when they’re tagged on IG? You know they’re notified of it. They could at least throw a like their way when the peons copy them.🙄 And no, I’ve never copied and tagged anyone, but have noticed that the ones not in the clique get no recognition for even mentioning them. What happened to be kind? Doesn’t take a penny out of their pockets for that.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 15, 2019 2:15:25 GMT
I know this isn't a political thread, but this whole thing basically sums up my thoughts on the current political realm in the US. One side wants to be able to do what they feel suits them without people telling them how to live their lives and the other side wants to control the actions of people that don't live like them (all the while many of them don't even live like they claim to).
When are people going to realize that you aren't going to shame or outlaw someone (or their voice) out of existence? It takes so much more energy to hate than it does to just accept that we all arrive in this life under different circumstances, live different lives and are all trying to live our best life. My only gripe on this is that some people believe their best life is trying to rid the world of anything that doesn't conform to their expectations.
With people like these YTers, even if everyone agreed with them, they'd still find something to be unhappy about. Ultimately, they just want to feel powerful and have their egos stroked because they think they're above everyone.
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