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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 18, 2019 19:15:22 GMT
I am an Amazon Affiliate, so I appreciate when people use my links. I also understand why some people don’t want to do that. Either way, that’s OK. I’ll use affiliate links if I find their information useful. Unless it’s someone I really don’t like. I know that some might think that’s petty. I’m OK with that too. It’s actually my right as a consumer. To quote Captain America, “I don’t like bullies. I don’t care where they’re from.” And trying to bully people into keeping quiet about anything is extremely distasteful to me. I honestly don't mind affiliate links. Especially when it comes to DT members because they're not getting paid for the content they provide (many DT members I follow were showcasing the products and were liked enough to be asked to join rather than trying out...they are also generally not people who are on every DT imaginable, either). I also don't mind watching SU videos because obviously that is marketing for them. I just don't care for JM, KW type tactics because it hits me as disingenuous. They make it look like they're just wanting to promote techniques or show you how to get the most out of your supplies when that's really not the case. If it were, they wouldn't use 1 stamp off of each set they use only that one time and then never use it again. It's made my view a bit tainted...the more they want to be viewed as authentic, the more phony they look to me. If they were to be more open and honest about it, I probably wouldn't be so harsh.
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Post by cbet on Jul 18, 2019 20:58:05 GMT
I honestly don't mind affiliate links. Especially when it comes to DT members because they're not getting paid for the content they provide (many DT members I follow were showcasing the products and were liked enough to be asked to join rather than trying out...they are also generally not people who are on every DT imaginable, either). I also don't mind watching SU videos because obviously that is marketing for them. I just don't care for JM, KW type tactics because it hits me as disingenuous. They make it look like they're just wanting to promote techniques or show you how to get the most out of your supplies when that's really not the case. If it were, they wouldn't use 1 stamp off of each set they use only that one time and then never use it again. It's made my view a bit tainted...the more they want to be viewed as authentic, the more phony they look to me. If they were to be more open and honest about it, I probably wouldn't be so harsh. This!!! I like Jennifer McGuire's technique videos; she does a good job of explaining how to do what she's doing, and it's obvious that she puts a lot of work into filming and editing them. But I don't like when she acts like she bought all those things because she loves them so much - a lot of them were given to her by the stamp companies so that she would promote them in her videos. I have no problem with that - it's good business for the stamp companies; I've purchased many stamps and stencils that I would never have seen if it hadn't been for her videos. But let's have a little transparency!!! And she is fond of saying "you don't need all this, remember that this is my job." Well, maybe she needs to remember that, and not take negative comments and thumbs downs personally. I rarely give a thumbs up or a thumbs down; frankly I tend to forget that the option is there. The last one I gave was on a video that the title indicated that it was about one subject, and the video was actually about something else entirely.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 18, 2019 21:20:04 GMT
I honestly don't mind affiliate links. Especially when it comes to DT members because they're not getting paid for the content they provide (many DT members I follow were showcasing the products and were liked enough to be asked to join rather than trying out...they are also generally not people who are on every DT imaginable, either). I also don't mind watching SU videos because obviously that is marketing for them. I just don't care for JM, KW type tactics because it hits me as disingenuous. They make it look like they're just wanting to promote techniques or show you how to get the most out of your supplies when that's really not the case. If it were, they wouldn't use 1 stamp off of each set they use only that one time and then never use it again. It's made my view a bit tainted...the more they want to be viewed as authentic, the more phony they look to me. If they were to be more open and honest about it, I probably wouldn't be so harsh. This!!! I like Jennifer McGuire's technique videos; she does a good job of explaining how to do what she's doing, and it's obvious that she puts a lot of work into filming and editing them. But I don't like when she acts like she bought all those things because she loves them so much - a lot of them were given to her by the stamp companies so that she would promote them in her videos. I have no problem with that - it's good business for the stamp companies; I've purchased many stamps and stencils that I would never have seen if it hadn't been for her videos. But let's have a little transparency!!! And she is fond of saying "you don't need all this, remember that this is my job." Well, maybe she needs to remember that, and not take negative comments and thumbs downs personally. I rarely give a thumbs up or a thumbs down; frankly I tend to forget that the option is there. The last one I gave was on a video that the title indicated that it was about one subject, and the video was actually about something else entirely. A lot of them lately have been friends. In her faves videos from last year she showed stamp sets from BRAND NEW companies she hadn't even broken out of the plastic and she was recommending them as great products even though they could be complete shit for all she knew. She just wanted to promote them because the owner was a personal friend. It's one thing to want to help out a friend, it's another to do so while having zero idea whether what you're promoting is any good or not. I do understand that a lot of the stamps in the US are likely made by the same company or companies, but still...you don't really know jack squat until you've actually used the product. Meanwhile small businesses that she could legitimately purchase from and promote out of the 'goodness of her heart' are never going to get a feature because maybe they can't afford to just send off hundreds of dollars in merchandise for free for a shout out.
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Post by Embri on Jul 18, 2019 23:19:01 GMT
In her faves videos from last year she showed stamp sets from BRAND NEW companies she hadn't even broken out of the plastic and she was recommending them as great products even though they could be complete shit for all she knew. This is one of the hills I die on - if a YTer is promoting stuff that doesn't even look like it's been used, they're no better than an infomercial and any credibility they had for me goes into the toilet. Same if they're clearly sponsored or promoting a company but don't disclose they they received their products for free in exchange for marketing. (To be clear I have no problem with videos where the demo discloses that they got their product for free or are being paid to make the video. I just want transparency.)
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Post by krcrafts on Jul 18, 2019 23:38:11 GMT
JM has a product disclosure on every video in the info section where she posts links to the products.
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Post by Embri on Jul 19, 2019 2:35:43 GMT
Hiding it in the video description only doesn't count. Takes five seconds to disclose the full nature of your video, and good media sources will do so. That's what gives authenticity.
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Post by Ohno on Jul 19, 2019 11:14:53 GMT
Did you see JM’s Instastory showing that Instagram will no longer show likes, but she never really noticed that anyway? Really?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 19, 2019 13:23:44 GMT
Did you see JM’s Instastory showing that Instagram will no longer show likes, but she never really noticed that anyway? Really? Revisionist history 😂
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Post by cbet on Jul 19, 2019 14:12:14 GMT
Hiding it in the video description only doesn't count. Takes five seconds to disclose the full nature of your video, and good media sources will do so. That's what gives authenticity. Just for giggles (because I didn't remember seeing it), I checked out her last video to find the disclosure. It's way at the bottom (so you have to click "More" in the description and then scroll way to the bottom of the list of products to find it). Her second sentence says: " All products were personally purchased... except the products with asterisks which were received from the company with no expectation." When I first looked at her product list, it looked like every single item had an asterisk in front of it - but looking closer, it wasn't an asterisk, it was just a bullet dot. I had to go 4 videos back to find items that were given to her. Honestly, I assumed that most of what she used was given to her at no charge. I'm surprised that she pays for so much of it! In her case, it would be to her advantage to make her disclosure more prominent - and to make that bullet dot more obviously not an asterisk
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Post by christinec68 on Jul 19, 2019 18:04:45 GMT
Hiding it in the video description only doesn't count. Takes five seconds to disclose the full nature of your video, and good media sources will do so. That's what gives authenticity. Just for giggles (because I didn't remember seeing it), I checked out her last video to find the disclosure. It's way at the bottom (so you have to click "More" in the description and then scroll way to the bottom of the list of products to find it). Her second sentence says: " All products were personally purchased... except the products with asterisks which were received from the company with no expectation." When I first looked at her product list, it looked like every single item had an asterisk in front of it - but looking closer, it wasn't an asterisk, it was just a bullet dot. I had to go 4 videos back to find items that were given to her. Honestly, I assumed that most of what she used was given to her at no charge. I'm surprised that she pays for so much of it! In her case, it would be to her advantage to make her disclosure more prominent - and to make that bullet dot more obviously not an asterisk This is what I don't like about her disclosure - it's not clear. And I was not surprised that her 10 New Must Haves video has links to 17 items including a ruler and tape dispenser. But in general, I don't mind affiliate links (as long as they're disclosed) since they cost me nothing and I pay nothing to watch these videos.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 19, 2019 19:08:24 GMT
JM has a product disclosure on every video in the info section where she posts links to the products.
Interesting, I didn't know that. I actually watch her YouTube video that's embedded in her blog not from YouTube directly. I'll have to look to see if her disclosures show up.
I didn't think she got a lot of her stuff for free...discounted maybe but not for free. Since it's her business, I just assumed all the stuff she buys is a tax write off.
ETA:
So I just went to her blog and on the Best Stamp Layering Methods With An Acrylic Block post at the bottom under the Supplies heading it says:
But on her blog, she does not identify which stamps and dies were received for free so I guess it was all of them?
Correct me if I'm blind and missed something.
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Post by thracian on Jul 19, 2019 20:41:40 GMT
I've been posting scrapbook content on YouTube since 2015. I've definitely gotten thumbs-down, and I'll be honest: it can sting. Part of this depends on how I'm feeling in general. On good days it slides right off. On bad days it can be a big ouch.
When I first got one (it's a rite of passage!), I was telling my sister about it and she sent me a link to an article that really spoke to me. (I am trying to find the link; if I do I'll add it.) But the gist is that the artist's role is to create art, release it, and move on to the next work. Not to try and "protect" the art from criticism. That helped me a lot.
Thumbs-down is just part of being a YouTuber. If you take it personally, you'll drive yourself nuts. The best thing to do is just let it go.
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Post by cbet on Jul 19, 2019 21:31:44 GMT
Correct me if I'm blind and missed something.
Well, the plot thickens! You are correct, on her blog she does not have them marked in any way. From her youtube, she received the Altenew items, the MFT items, the Studio Katia die and the Gina K blocks for free. HOWEVER - on her "10 Favorite Tools" video, she features the Gina K blocks and does NOT have them marked as something she received free. So, which was it? Keep in mind, I like her videos and learn a lot from them. I have no problem with her using affiliate links or receiving free product. Heck, if I had a crafting company, I'd be sending her free stuff all the time - because once she features it in a video, it is sold out. But I know that when I know a youtuber has received something free, I don't give their positive opinion quite the same weight as I would someone who paid for it with their own crafting budget.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 19, 2019 22:29:53 GMT
Keep in mind, I like her videos and learn a lot from them. I have no problem with her using affiliate links or receiving free product.
I totally agree with this.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 19, 2019 22:35:39 GMT
Correct me if I'm blind and missed something.
Well, the plot thickens! You are correct, on her blog she does not have them marked in any way. From her youtube, she received the Altenew items, the MFT items, the Studio Katia die and the Gina K blocks for free. HOWEVER - on her "10 Favorite Tools" video, she features the Gina K blocks and does NOT have them marked as something she received free. So, which was it? Keep in mind, I like her videos and learn a lot from them. I have no problem with her using affiliate links or receiving free product. Heck, if I had a crafting company, I'd be sending her free stuff all the time - because once she features it in a video, it is sold out. But I know that when I know a youtuber has received something free, I don't give their positive opinion quite the same weight as I would someone who paid for it with their own crafting budget. I wonder if there is some sort of rule that you only need to disclose it once and then you don't have to anymore and she's taking advantage of that?
Or, she could just be very disorganized in that regard.
Either way, I think it's sneaky. It's like '75% off sale' and in tiny little letters you can only read if you're an inch from the sign it starts with 'up to'. I am more apt to not buy from a place that intentionally misleads the consumer like that.
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Post by crafty on Jul 20, 2019 2:42:27 GMT
I've been posting scrapbook content on YouTube since 2015. I've definitely gotten thumbs-down, and I'll be honest: it can sting. Part of this depends on how I'm feeling in general. On good days it slides right off. On bad days it can be a big ouch. When I first got one (it's a rite of passage!), I was telling my sister about it and she sent me a link to an article that really spoke to me. (I am trying to find the link; if I do I'll add it.) But the gist is that the artist's role is to create art, release it, and move on to the next work. Not to try and "protect" the art from criticism. That helped me a lot. Thumbs-down is just part of being a YouTuber. If you take it personally, you'll drive yourself nuts. The best thing to do is just let it go. I bet it does sting at times, but the rants about it is the problem. Heck, saying that you wish ratings had to come with a few words of feedback would be fine but telling people that they are assholes for thumbs downing it, is ridiculous. I generally liked Cathy Zielske but I’m done. I don’t have an issue with affiliate links since it doesn’t cost me any more.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 20, 2019 4:44:45 GMT
Can you share where? Does it have the sand type erasers or regular ones? It is an electric sand eraser. I got it from Daiso for $1.50 and then a refill of erasers, also for $1.50. Unfortunately, it's not a store that is everywhere but I wouldn't be shocked to see other chains carry something like it from time to time.
I think mine is the blue color. If you look around on eBay more than just that quick glance or even on AliExpress, I'm sure you'll find something cheaper.
ETA 2: It doesn't look like this one comes with the sand ones, so not identical (it was just a quick search after all) but you can get the refill sand type, too. Mine came with both and I bought the sand eraser style by itself in the refill.
Thanks for the tip. I went to Daiso today and got a blue on and some refills. Not bad for $3.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 6:53:35 GMT
Early apologies for any mistakes in my post. Big shopping day in high humidity heat wave. I am exhausted, lol.
I remember there was a big hoopla a few years ago over at SCS about Jennifer not disclosing her "free" product usage per FTC or FCC rules. I am tired and real messing this up. I know one of our SCS ladies can remember this much better. It was a huge mess because several members were banned at SCS for bringing up this discussion. IMO really needed to be discussed and her "friends" who are bigwigs at SCS should have been discussing with her. Instead they chose to ban.
I am sorry if I had a large popular YouTube channel I would want my friends to tell me these things and not going the women on turning on each other route. It seemed to be like that. It is like they wanted to do a clean up of the board and not help their friend at the same time. Like, they wanted her to take a fall.
It seems to me that Jennifer doesn't know how to list her affiliates & disclosures correctly. She seems to have problems with this whether out of ignorance, unhelpful advice or shadiness. I don't know. You all said she is very sweet so I don't think she is shady. I do think that some of her affiliates are. She seems a bit naive from the few videos I have watched. I think I watched one or two. Just because you are highly intelligent doesn't mean you are not naive.
She has a big YouTube channel. I bet she is making at least a million dollars on it by now. Google some of the crazy amounts YouTuber's are making for their channels. It is a lucrative and hot field right now. When you make barely $10 a year on your channel and receive a stamp set the government agencies could care less if you don't list your affliates and disclosures correctly. If you are making a million dollars and not listing things correctly they start caring.
She needs to surround herself with a good attorney on these matters instead of her "friends".
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Post by cbet on Jul 20, 2019 13:36:58 GMT
#amayalylac I remember the SCS uproar well - the user who was banned questoned whether JM got her MISTI free or if she had paid for it, and heads rolled! I got a warning myself, for making another member the subject of a negatime post. I don't even think JM was a member there up until that time. The issue was mainly Lydia, the mod, getting her undies in a bunch and flexing her muscles, because the conversation was a quite civil up til then. But at SCS, no one is allowed to speak ill of the pink one.
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Post by riley on Jul 20, 2019 17:27:39 GMT
LOL “the pink one.”
I’m good with Jennifer unless she is recommending favorite crafty things that she is getting for free. I don’t care how she gets her stamps and dies or how much she admires them, but I do care how she gets her inks, tools, and glue. I think it would be best if you are rating things like that, that you buy them.
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Post by josie29 on Jul 21, 2019 5:09:03 GMT
In her faves videos from last year she showed stamp sets from BRAND NEW companies she hadn't even broken out of the plastic and she was recommending them as great products even though they could be complete shit for all she knew. This is one of the hills I die on - if a YTer is promoting stuff that doesn't even look like it's been used, they're no better than an infomercial and any credibility they had for me goes into the toilet. Same if they're clearly sponsored or promoting a company but don't disclose they they received their products for free in exchange for marketing. (To be clear I have no problem with videos where the demo discloses that they got their product for free or are being paid to make the video. I just want transparency.) Ah yes, I totally agree. This is my gripe too. The: "This is a fantastic set and one I will be reaching for often" (which has never been opened). It is just one l-o-n-g advertisement. I remember a while ago when I used to follow Kristina Werner on Facebook, she posted that someone had left a comment on one of her You-Tube videos criticising her card and what she used to make the card and said (in essence): "Why don't you make something out of construction paper instead". KW's post said that she responded by saying that she studied Graphic Design and she makes a living out of what she does and that she used to design for Stampin' Up - a whole bunch of stuff - which she said in the FB post as well as on YT. And heaps and HEAPS of people commented on that FB post about "how talented she was" and to "ignore that person because they don't know what they are talking about" and that Kristina was "an artist" and "we love you" etc. etc. It was total ego-stroking. It was not necessary to post about what the YT commenter said - she should have just ignored it and moved on if she didn't like it. And it made KW look bad IMHO. I finally got around to listening to Cathy Zielske's stories on Instagram and I was more than a little gobsmacked at her comments I have never followed CZ on Instagram but had a look through some of her photos and there were a couple of cards that she posted that she said were copies of Kristina Werner's cards from her Holiday Card Series from 2018. Yes, she stated that they were "copies" but I thought Kristina didn't approve of you copying her cards.......made me laugh really
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 10:41:37 GMT
cbet That was it! I am so grateful you posted. I couldn't remember everything. You are right I don't think JM was a member. Is she even a member now or just an ad sponsor? I thought Lydia owned SCS until you all told me she does not. Her & Dini can not moderate a board as heavy handed and bias as they do. I hate to be that way. Lydia has only ever been nice to me, even when I screwed up. The way they are moderating is not right. I have owned forums, I had mods. I was really laid back but I would not let my mods act heavy handed. IMO Lydia should not have been warning, and hand slapping a civil conversation. She should have been thinking about her friend and bringing up the issues the ladies were posting about so JM could learn and fix mistakes. This industry and the way the women fake cozy up to each other and "take up" for each other instead of I don't know being a real friend and helping. The Becky Higgins unhealthy CULTivation squad. JM & the kindness club clique. I know there are a couple of others. No thank you I don't want adoration. I want my friends to tell me when I am doing something wrong and help me fix it. I would really hate my friends making videos defending me about don't thumbs down my social media because it hurts my feelings. Those are not friends. Those are groupies. I am sorry for these ladies. I don't know what happened where they think a person they met in this business is a lifelong friend. I know that is true for a lucky few. What I have seen and the horror stories I have heard these women turn on each other when one starts to fall. Maybe they should start thinking about stop making videos taking up for each other because one day they will not get the same video made for them.
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Post by Embri on Jul 21, 2019 18:35:57 GMT
IMO Lydia should not have been warning, and hand slapping a civil conversation. She should have been thinking about her friend and bringing up the issues the ladies were posting about so JM could learn and fix mistakes. The first rule of Modding is 'Thou Shalt Not Rule on Issues with Personal Investment' If at all possible - sometimes you're the only person, in which case you have to do your best to put aside all your personal feelings and deal fairly with the problem. Generally though Moderating teams include more than one individual and if an issue comes in that involves anyone that's your friend or that you've had problems with in the past, it behooves a good site admin team to pass that ticket to a more neutral party, or at the very least have a teammate on overwatch, making sure any decisions are reasonable and fair. I want my friends to tell me when I am doing something wrong and help me fix it. I would really hate my friends making videos defending me about don't thumbs down my social media because it hurts my feelings. Those are not friends. Those are groupies. I am sorry for these ladies. I don't know what happened where they think a person they met in this business is a lifelong friend. I'm not sure they'd feel the same. Some people are only looking for affirmation, that is their definition of a 'great friend'. It's sad, and doesn't promote true personal growth (as in being a decent human being, none of that self-improvement-book-jumbo-jumbo) but if you hinge your self-worth largely on other people's opinions, that's what you need from 'friends'.
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Post by riley on Jul 22, 2019 16:01:21 GMT
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Post by krcrafts on Jul 22, 2019 16:38:45 GMT
Now that was a classy way to talk about this subject.
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Post by gale w on Jul 22, 2019 17:09:21 GMT
Sandy Allnock is always very level headed and thoughtful in what she says. I remember when room videos were all the rage and she was encouraged by her followers to share hers, and she hesitated for quite a while. She was worried that people would feel bad about what they had based on what she had.
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Post by JustTricia on Jul 22, 2019 17:19:53 GMT
Okay, what Pea was this?
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Post by scrappington on Jul 22, 2019 17:25:08 GMT
I just saw the above post on FB and came here to see if anyone claimed responsibility.
Lol
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Post by gale w on Jul 22, 2019 17:33:49 GMT
I would hope everyone here knows the difference between criticism about a video/technique and a personal attack.
WTH is "vocal fry" anyway?
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Post by joblackford on Jul 22, 2019 17:35:24 GMT
Okay, what Pea was this? I don't think that's a great way to comment so I'm hoping it's not someone here - calling someone a moron and low IQ (what? no. please, no) just isn't helpful, especially not if you want them to change their behavior. But what does KW gain by sharing this? A flood of people telling her she's awesome and great and there's nothing wrong with her voice and stroking her ego, and slamming this person and everyone else who dares to agree that, yeah, KW your voice is annoying to some people. As I said, I don't agree with the way she worded her comment, but there's also no need whip up a lot of hate and turn your followers on her. Bad form, IMO (if I may be permitted to have one).
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