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Post by cindytred on Jul 14, 2019 18:34:10 GMT
I finally got a teaching job! YAY! But it is in 5th grade - not my favorite age group - but I had to have a job. I found out that all of the 5th grade teachers from last year quit. I'm scared. I'm used to first and second graders who love their teacher and want the teacher to like them so they are sweet. My experience with 5th graders is that they don't care and will challenge you every step of the way.
I subbed for nearly a decade and 5th was one of my favorite grades because they were more independent. Also, I had known those kiddos since they were in Kindergarten and they knew me and what to expect from me. It was easy.
Do you have any words of wisdom or suggestions of books I can read to prepare myself? TIA
Cindy
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 14, 2019 18:52:41 GMT
But it is in 5th grade - not my favorite age group - but I had to have a job. I found out that all of the 5th grade teachers from last year quit. I'm scared. I'm used to first and second graders who love their teacher and want the teacher to like them so they are sweet. My experience with 5th graders is that they don't care and will challenge you every step of the way. I was terrified to teach in 5th grade. I had started in preschool, then went to 1st grade, then 5th. I LOVED IT!!! 5th graders want their teacher to like them too. They just need to you show that you care in a little different way than the 1st and 2nd graders. Greet them at the door each morning, individually. Check-in with them. Establish classroom rules with the students and explain your reasoning. Then stick to them. As for books, my 5th graders (hell, my high schoolers) loved for me to read aloud to them. They loved the short picture books. Skippy Jon Jones was a huge hit with the 5th graders. We also read The Pagemster, read and did a lesson with Miss Ellanous... ack it has been 9 years since I taught 5th grade so I am drawing a blank. Remember that while they are too cool to do some things, they still like doing others. Give them a chance to do them without feeling silly. Good luck! I loved 5th graders
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 14, 2019 19:13:07 GMT
I love 5th grade because you can connect with their interests. So that is my advice. You have time to read some Harry Potter if you haven’t, learn about Minecraft and Marvel comics, soccer etc. Be interested in their stuff, help them learn organizational skills, and have some grace around their pain points at this age which will be appearance and friendships.
I teach the full time GT and one of the best crossover humanities/literature activities I do is explore the origins of their popular books and movies in mythology or history so Percy Jackson, Maze Runner, etc have a big place in my curriculum. We do book groups to target special interests including disability, race, religion, and LGBT themes.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 14, 2019 19:17:45 GMT
I taught 1, 3, 4, 5, & 6th. Fifth grade is by far my favorite. If they are the oldest grade in the school, they can be more challenging than if it is a k-6 or a k-8 school though. My favorite educational books were The First 100 days by Harry Wong and Teach Like a Champion by Doug Lemov. One is for organization and the other is for instruction. As with all grades, the most import thing you do starting the first day is build relationships. On that first day, you will have a couple of kids who will try to establish dominance. Don't let them do it. I would just say that they aren't allowed to do that and if they do it again, and then I would say the consequence. You just need to be one step ahead of them at all times. Make sure you know in your head what you will do. If you falter with a class of thirty ten and eleven year olds, they see it as a weakness and will try it over and over. I kept a list of names in my desk and chose two each day. I made sure that I made connections with those two kids beyond the normal teaching day. After three weeks, I knew I had made a strong contact with each one. Older kids respond better to you if they know you care about them, and it is so easy to spend too much of your time with high achievers and naughty kids. (Those nice, middle of the road kids really can get left out.) The Pagemaster was a book I read starting the first day of class. I loved the characters and gave voices to each one. The kids always loved it too. Public speaking should be started by now if it hasn't already. Give your kids short poems to memorize every three or four weeks and present them to the class. No opting out. Sometimes your low kids are great public speakers and this is a great element for them to shine. I started with fun Jack Prelutsky and Shel Silverstein poems and we worked up to Casey at the Bat, Midnight Ride of Paul Revere, and Jabberwocky. Have fun, get to know them, and take no prisoners. 
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 14, 2019 19:21:30 GMT
I love 5th grade because you can connect with their interests. So that is my advice. You have time to read some Harry Potter if you haven’t, learn about Minecraft and Marvel comics, soccer etc. Be interested in their stuff, help them learn organizational skills, and have some grace around their pain points at this age which will be appearance and friendships. I teach the full time GT and one of the best crossover humanities/literature activities I do is explore the origins of their popular books and movies in mythology or history so Percy Jackson, Maze Runner, etc have a big place in my curriculum. We do book groups to target special interests including disability, race, religion, and LGBT themes. Lol... I scored some of my best Substitute Teacher Points in the 5th grade the day I not only knew who Charizard is but also what type he is and what he's weak to.
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 14, 2019 19:25:33 GMT
As with all grades, the most import thing you do starting the first day is build relationships. I cannot stress this enough for all teachers.
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Post by mom on Jul 14, 2019 19:28:02 GMT
No advice, but wanted to congratulate you on your new position! I know how hard you have been working to find a teaching position. I hope this year is awesome for you!
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Post by malibou on Jul 14, 2019 19:29:06 GMT
5th grade was the year my son's school required a planner. I was so excited he was going to learn about this valuable skill. However, that never happened. They never discussed it. I tried to, but knew if the teacher had pushed it he would have put in an effort. None of the 5th graders used their planners.
So, I'm wondering if the age is right for this and if so, can there be a way to help and encourage them to learn this skill.
I did encourage my son every year to try to get on board with planning, but I never saw much success. He is getting ready to go off to college, and he recently asked me to try again to help him with this. I was thrilled. He had all of the unused planners I tried to push on him. The one that ended up making the most sense to him was a teacher style one that had a weekly spread broken down by subject. I've got my fingers crossed that he will follow thru.
ETA Congratulations on your new job. Hopefully having a job in place will make you even more excited about your new life path.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 14, 2019 19:29:23 GMT
I don't know if this would work these days but I had a 5th grade teacher who was brand new out of college. We LOVED her! We had elections every Monday for class president for the week. Can't remember all the president's duties (it was 61 years ago!) but one thing was signing up 3 people for Friday afternoon's talent show. Every week 3 people would do some talent ~ last half hour on Friday is when kids are restless so she used it to her/our advantage. People would lip-sync to music, do magic tricks, I did the hula since we had just moved to Napa from Hawaii, etc. It brought students out of their shell and helped with leadership because pretty much everyone got to be president for a week. She also read to us after lunch and we loved that too! Good luck!
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Post by cindytred on Jul 14, 2019 19:32:52 GMT
Public speaking should be started by now if it hasn't already. Give your kids short poems to memorize every three or four weeks and present them to the class. No opting out. Sometimes your low kids are great public speakers and this is a great element for them to shine. I started with fun Jack Prelutsky and Shel Silverstein poems and we worked up to Casey at the Bat, Midnight Ride of Paul Revere, and Jabberwocky. Would you give them all the same poem, or different poems to memorize? Cindy
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Post by cindytred on Jul 14, 2019 19:39:29 GMT
I don't know if this would work these days but I had a 5th grade teacher who was brand new out of college. We LOVED her! We had elections every Monday for class president for the week. Can't remember all the president's duties (it was 61 years ago!) but one thing was signing up 3 people for Friday afternoon's talent show. Every week 3 people would do some talent ~ last half hour on Friday is when kids are restless so she used it to her/our advantage. People would lip-sync to music, do magic tricks, I did the hula since we had just moved to Napa from Hawaii, etc. It brought students out of their shell and helped with leadership because pretty much everyone got to be president for a week. She also read to us after lunch and we loved that too! Good luck! I  this idea!!! I'm going to do it with my kiddos! Thank you so much! Cindy
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Post by playingcinderella on Jul 14, 2019 20:00:57 GMT
New age groups are always scary. I hope you find that you love 5th grade. Don't let the rumors of all the teachers quitting - sometimes it just happens that way... and you get a brand new crop of 5th graders not the ones from last year anyway.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 14, 2019 21:09:17 GMT
I love 5th grade because you can connect with their interests. So that is my advice. You have time to read some Harry Potter if you haven’t, learn about Minecraft and Marvel comics, soccer etc. Be interested in their stuff, help them learn organizational skills, and have some grace around their pain points at this age which will be appearance and friendships. I teach the full time GT and one of the best crossover humanities/literature activities I do is explore the origins of their popular books and movies in mythology or history so Percy Jackson, Maze Runner, etc have a big place in my curriculum. We do book groups to target special interests including disability, race, religion, and LGBT themes. Lol... I scored some of my best Substitute Teacher Points in the 5th grade the day I not only knew who Charizard is but also what type he is and what he's weak to. Recesses were filled with kids who will tell you every little thought in their head.  At the beginning of the year, have the kids fill out a questionnaire about themselves and what they like or follow. Then group kids who like specific things together and use the information for your instruction. Teaching how to use quotation marks with a conversation between said lizard and another character will make the kids want to write.
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Post by SabrinaP on Jul 14, 2019 21:15:14 GMT
I’ve taught 4th, 5th, and 6th. I love the older kids. I currently teach 6th grade math.
Are you departmentalized or self-contained? 5th grade is a pretty stressful year for students in Texas since it’s an SSI year and kids “have” to pass the math and reading STAAR and they take science for the first time too.
I suggest you read up on Restorative Practices, specifically circles. I’ve been doing circles weekly in my 6th grade math classroom and have seen such a great change in my kids, my relationships with them, and my discipline. My school is beginning Capturing Kids Hearts which is focused on relationship building. I like to use circles to get to know kids but also teach them to deal with the stresses they face. They would be a great way for your 5th graders to work through the stress of the year.
If you are teaching math, you must read Mathematical Mindset by Jo Boler. She also has a great website you can check out. She seriously changed the way I teach in so many ways.
If you are teaching math and want some more specific ideas, please feel free to message me.
Good luck!
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Post by AnastasiaBeaverhausn on Jul 14, 2019 21:18:12 GMT
I taught 8th grade for almost 25 years. I'd hear stories about how awful the 7th graders were last year and invariably something changed or I just handled them differently and they were always fine. I wouldn't go in with certain expectations. I'd see how it all goes once you start. And congrats!
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 14, 2019 21:50:04 GMT
Lol... I scored some of my best Substitute Teacher Points in the 5th grade the day I not only knew who Charizard is but also what type he is and what he's weak to. Recesses were filled with kids who will tell you every little thought in their head.  At the beginning of the year, have the kids fill out a questionnaire about themselves and what they like or follow. Then group kids who like specific things together and use the information for your instruction. Teaching how to use quotation marks with a conversation between said lizard and another character will make the kids want to write. Now that's a great idea! I'm going to file it away in my "ideas" notebook for the next time a teacher leaves me bad plans. Or worse, no plans.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 14, 2019 22:03:24 GMT
5th grade was the year my son's school required a planner. I was so excited he was going to learn about this valuable skill. However, that never happened. They never discussed it. I tried to, but knew if the teacher had pushed it he would have put in an effort. None of the 5th graders used their planners. So, I'm wondering if the age is right for this and if so, can there be a way to help and encourage them to learn this skill. We also had them use the planners for the first time. I assigned homework on Fridays for the week, so that the students could choose to do it over the weekend or during the week depending on their family dynamics. They had the write all the homework for each class and whatever else each day (I carved out time for this and had it written on the board, don't expect them to do it on their own) and they had to write it each day until they turned whatever it was in. Once it was turned in, they didn't have to write it anymore. Each day during specials, they left their planners open on their desks and I walked by and initialed if they had done it. They also got points if their parents had initialed it. Points = classroom money with which they could shop once or twice a month (for those with parents who I knew just weren't going to do it, I found extra ways for them to earn classroom cash that none of the other kids ever knew of).
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Post by idahopea on Jul 14, 2019 23:16:30 GMT
I love the idea of a class president for a week but please make sure that it doesn't become a popularity contest in who gets chosen. My dd's 6th grade teacher had a citizenship program where kids voted for the monthly winners (I think 3 kids per month, but not positive) which was supposed to be based on certain citizenship criteria. It was a big deal to be chosen. Parents of the chosen kids came for the announcement and parents were encouraged to take their child out to lunch that day. Each child could only be chosen once and the teacher listed who had not been chosen on the board when it was time to vote. I think the kids had to write something nice the child did when nominating someone for the award because the teacher read those things when giving out the certificates.
It was a nice thing in theory, but it ended up with the popular kids winning at the beginning of the year, with less popular kids voted as it went on, and only 3 kids not getting to win. I volunteered a lot and happened to be there for the final one and I'll never forget the look on those 3 faces when the last parents came in for the awards and their parents were not there. They were never chosen and the year was up. Afterward the teacher commented to me that he knew those 3 kids were never voted to win and he kind of shrugged it off as a life lesson for them to be kinder in the future. I realize not everyone wins things and if more kids had not been chosen it might not have been so hard. I knew those kids well and they were not bad kids, more impulsive, which they had difficulty controlling, but I think they probably worked harder each day than the other kids that things came easily to and it would have meant so much more to those kids to be chosen than most of the other kids. My dd probably doesn't remember when she was chosen, but I know she would have remembered not being chosen and it would have put a big shadow over the whole year.
Perhaps the teacher chooses based on something special she sees the child doing or a name is drawn or the kids can write how a classmate helped them with something and the teacher picks from those....
I hope you have a wonderful year!
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Post by mimima on Jul 14, 2019 23:22:49 GMT
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 14, 2019 23:23:45 GMT
I love the idea of a class president for a week but please make sure that it doesn't become a popularity contest in who gets chosen. My dd's 6th grade teacher had a citizenship program where kids voted for the monthly winners (I think 3 kids per month, but not positive) which was supposed to be based on certain citizenship criteria. It was a big deal to be chosen. Parents of the chosen kids came for the announcement and parents were encouraged to take their child out to lunch that day. Each child could only be chosen once and the teacher listed who had not been chosen on the board when it was time to vote. I think the kids had to write something nice the child did when nominating someone for the award because the teacher read those things when giving out the certificates. It was a nice thing in theory, but it ended up with the popular kids winning at the beginning of the year, with less popular kids voted as it went on, and only 3 kids not getting to win. I volunteered a lot and happened to be there for the final one and I'll never forget the look on those 3 faces when the last parents came in for the awards and their parents were not there. They were never chosen and the year was up. Afterward the teacher commented to me that he knew those 3 kids were never voted to win and he kind of shrugged it off as a life lesson for them to be kinder in the future. I realize not everyone wins things and if more kids had not been chosen it might not have been so hard. I knew those kids well and they were not bad kids, more impulsive, which they had difficulty controlling, but I think they probably worked harder each day than the other kids that things came easily to and it would have meant so much more to those kids to be chosen than most of the other kids. My dd probably doesn't remember when she was chosen, but I know she would have remembered not being chosen and it would have put a big shadow over the whole year. Perhaps the teacher chooses based on something special she sees the child doing or a name is drawn or the kids can write how a classmate helped them with something and the teacher picks from those.... I hope you have a wonderful year! that teacher was an asshole. Take the number of kids divide it by the number of weeks, buffet in a couple for transfers and you make sure everybody gets picked. I'd rather the teacher and/or students doing an "I caught you". Have students and the teacher write different good things they catch their classmates doing and then the teacher picks a couple a week. I caught you... Sharing supplies Smiling when you came in Pick up a piece of trash Answer a question Draw a good picture It allows for all different kinds of talents, efforts, and behaviors to be recognized
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Post by malibou on Jul 14, 2019 23:42:47 GMT
freecharlie holy cats, you rock. So many kids are out there planning their work and working their plan because of you. Thank you.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 15, 2019 0:18:21 GMT
5th grade was the year my son's school required a planner. I was so excited he was going to learn about this valuable skill. However, that never happened. They never discussed it. I tried to, but knew if the teacher had pushed it he would have put in an effort. None of the 5th graders used their planners. So, I'm wondering if the age is right for this and if so, can there be a way to help and encourage them to learn this skill. I did encourage my son every year to try to get on board with planning, but I never saw much success. He is getting ready to go off to college, and he recently asked me to try again to help him with this. I was thrilled. He had all of the unused planners I tried to push on him. The one that ended up making the most sense to him was a teacher style one that had a weekly spread broken down by subject. I've got my fingers crossed that he will follow thru. ETA Congratulations on your new job. Hopefully having a job in place will make you even more excited about your new life path. We used planners for our fifth graders for the last 20 years. We put it up on the screen for the kids to copy. Whether or not they finished and turned in the assignment or not, we all wrote it down. They had a place to check if it was already turned in. A few kids who didn't do their homework had to have it signed, but most kids didn't. Our kids started using planners in third grade, so by fifth grade it was just same ol. Yes, a ten year old can handle this task. It can take some extra work if it is the first year, but it is such an easy thing for a fifth grader to copy what the teacher wrote on the doc camera.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 15, 2019 0:24:04 GMT
I love the idea of a class president for a week but please make sure that it doesn't become a popularity contest in who gets chosen. My dd's 6th grade teacher had a citizenship program where kids voted for the monthly winners (I think 3 kids per month, but not positive) which was supposed to be based on certain citizenship criteria. It was a big deal to be chosen. Parents of the chosen kids came for the announcement and parents were encouraged to take their child out to lunch that day. Each child could only be chosen once and the teacher listed who had not been chosen on the board when it was time to vote. I think the kids had to write something nice the child did when nominating someone for the award because the teacher read those things when giving out the certificates. It was a nice thing in theory, but it ended up with the popular kids winning at the beginning of the year, with less popular kids voted as it went on, and only 3 kids not getting to win. I volunteered a lot and happened to be there for the final one and I'll never forget the look on those 3 faces when the last parents came in for the awards and their parents were not there. They were never chosen and the year was up. Afterward the teacher commented to me that he knew those 3 kids were never voted to win and he kind of shrugged it off as a life lesson for them to be kinder in the future. I realize not everyone wins things and if more kids had not been chosen it might not have been so hard. I knew those kids well and they were not bad kids, more impulsive, which they had difficulty controlling, but I think they probably worked harder each day than the other kids that things came easily to and it would have meant so much more to those kids to be chosen than most of the other kids. My dd probably doesn't remember when she was chosen, but I know she would have remembered not being chosen and it would have put a big shadow over the whole year. Perhaps the teacher chooses based on something special she sees the child doing or a name is drawn or the kids can write how a classmate helped them with something and the teacher picks from those.... I hope you have a wonderful year! that teacher was an asshole. Take the number of kids divide it by the number of weeks, buffet in a couple for transfers and you make sure everybody gets picked. I'd rather the teacher and/or students doing an "I caught you". Have students and the teacher write different good things they catch their classmates doing and then the teacher picks a couple a week. I caught you... Sharing supplies Smiling when you came in Pick up a piece of trash Answer a question Draw a good picture It allows for all different kinds of talents, efforts, and behaviors to be recognized That was my first thought too. Voting in from the kids, yikes. Popularity contest. We had a stuffed pig (Gertrude) that sat on one person's desk. They were the helper for the day and had about 15 rolls to play for me. At the end of the day, they passed it on and the rule was no one could be Gertrude twice before everyone was Gertrude once (a kid's job was to record this every day). We had lots of discussions about picking friends and picking someone new and picking someone no one else thought you might pick. They ended up rarely picking friends. I gave Dragon Notes for kids who had missing homework and Dragonfly Notes for kids who just did something nice or unexpected during the day. I loved leaving them in their silent reading books and seeing them find them when they weren't expecting them.
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Post by malibou on Jul 15, 2019 0:26:29 GMT
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 15, 2019 0:46:18 GMT
5th grade! Congrats! One of our 7th grade teachers moved to 4th grade for this coming year. She said she always pictured herself teaching 4th or 5th grade. She’s going to be amazing! Personally, I could never ever go below 6th grade, I don’t like 6th graders much. They’re very immature. This year I will be teaching 8th grade math/science and ONLY 8th grade for the first time in my 21 year career!!!! I’m excited but I hope I don’t get bored. 
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Post by cindytred on Jul 15, 2019 1:06:13 GMT
I’ve taught 4th, 5th, and 6th. I love the older kids. I currently teach 6th grade math. Are you departmentalized or self-contained? 5th grade is a pretty stressful year for students in Texas since it’s an SSI year and kids “have” to pass the math and reading STAAR and they take science for the first time too. I suggest you read up on Restorative Practices, specifically circles. I’ve been doing circles weekly in my 6th grade math classroom and have seen such a great change in my kids, my relationships with them, and my discipline. My school is beginning Capturing Kids Hearts which is focused on relationship building. I like to use circles to get to know kids but also teach them to deal with the stresses they face. They would be a great way for your 5th graders to work through the stress of the year. If you are teaching math, you must read Mathematical Mindset by Jo Boler. She also has a great website you can check out. She seriously changed the way I teach in so many ways. If you are teaching math and want some more specific ideas, please feel free to message me. Good luck! Thank you Sabrina P! I'm departmentalized, teaching ELA and SS. I will definitely check out Restorative Practices/Circles. And I'd appreciate any other tips you think of. I hope you have a great rest of your summer vacation. Cindy
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Post by mom2rjcr on Jul 15, 2019 1:08:54 GMT
Congratulations! 5th grade is fun!
I have 6 years experience teaching 5th grade. Two years were self-contained and the rest were departmentalized as an ELAR teacher. I have spent 9 years teaching 4th graders sometimes self-contained and sometimes departmentalized. I now teach Special Ed Resource for grades k-5. I loved both grade levels. The kids still want to be liked by their teacher. The most important thing is to build relationships with them and set boundaries. Work on teaching the procedures for your classroom and practice, practice, practice with them. I always greeted my kids at the door and exchanged high fives, fist bumps, or side hugs...however they wanted to be greeted.
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Post by SabrinaP on Jul 15, 2019 2:09:39 GMT
cindytred I know the ELA teachers at my school and my DH who teaches high school English all love the book The Book Whisperer by Donalyn Miller. DH is doing a book study on it this summer and my ELA partner read it a few years ago and sung its praises.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 15, 2019 2:25:03 GMT
I’ve taught 4th, 5th, and 6th. I love the older kids. I currently teach 6th grade math. Are you departmentalized or self-contained? 5th grade is a pretty stressful year for students in Texas since it’s an SSI year and kids “have” to pass the math and reading STAAR and they take science for the first time too. I suggest you read up on Restorative Practices, specifically circles. I’ve been doing circles weekly in my 6th grade math classroom and have seen such a great change in my kids, my relationships with them, and my discipline. My school is beginning Capturing Kids Hearts which is focused on relationship building. I like to use circles to get to know kids but also teach them to deal with the stresses they face. They would be a great way for your 5th graders to work through the stress of the year. If you are teaching math, you must read Mathematical Mindset by Jo Boler. She also has a great website you can check out. She seriously changed the way I teach in so many ways. If you are teaching math and want some more specific ideas, please feel free to message me. Good luck! Thank you Sabrina P! I'm departmentalized, teaching ELA and SS. I will definitely check out Restorative Practices/Circles. And I'd appreciate any other tips you think of. I hope you have a great rest of your summer vacation. Cindy if you are interested in Restorative Practice, The Little Book of Restorative Practices in Schools by Lorraine Amstutz is a good place to start.
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Post by grate on Jul 15, 2019 3:21:55 GMT
I love my 5th graders and I don't think I will ever go back to the littles. I had had PS, PK, K, 3, 6-8 and was not sure about 5th when I first took it 3 years ago but I have really enjoyed them. They are independent but loving without the 8th grade attitude.
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