Enna
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Post by Enna on Aug 5, 2019 15:33:56 GMT
By my research, every country has mentally ill every country has video games every country has people who don't pray every country has racists every country has partisan media Only America has near daily mass shootings It's the guns and the lack of leadership This is so true.
We have young people that have mental health problems. A lot of them. We have the same video games as US. We have racists and people that are strongly against refugees.
We only had two school shootings in our history.
The only difference is guns. How easy it is to get guns. How visible guns are in your culture. I have never seen an ad for guns or ammo here in Finland, and guns aren't part of everyday life here.
It's a gun problem and it needs to be fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:37:44 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Nadler: "What is the connection between background checks for guns and immigration reform? That we have to keep guns out of the hands of the invading hordes ... coming across our borders? That's the implication. That's disgusting, it reminds me of the 1930s in Germany." @msnbc”
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Post by snow4197 on Aug 5, 2019 15:54:55 GMT
I do feel that our media/entertainment has sensationalized guns. After watching 45 minutes of the shootings coverage on CNN the first commercial shown was an ad for a movie where the actors were shooting each other up. Poor choice if you ask me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 5, 2019 16:15:25 GMT
Rep Tim Ryan (D-OH) has been extremely vocal, no minced words either! Has called dt demented by not even knowing the name of the town... Surely every one in the US knows it! He used a few other choice words not always heard on TV during the day!!
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 5, 2019 16:23:40 GMT
I can’t say I was disappointed with Trump’s speech. To say I was disappointed would mean I had expectations he would unite the country for the purpose of tackling gun violence and that he would have specific proposals on how to solve this crisis. I never had those expectations, and sure enough, he was not capable of either. Generally, the speech was comprised of the same tired, erroneous arguments the Right has been advancing for years. No matter how many times they are exposed for the fallacious arguments they are, they get repeated over and over.
At the end of the day, most Republicans are not interested in strengthening gun laws, just as they’re not interested in healthcare. They will not go against the gun lobbies that fuel their campaigns, and they most definitely will not go against their base. Mitch is not interested in even considering the House Democrats’ gun reform bills (which even some Republicans signed onto), and nothing on this green earth will change his attitude.
The only way toward solving this gun problem we have is to vote for the candidates who have the commitment, guts and spine to make meaningful changes. Otherwise, we’ll just continue to cycle through grief and recriminations from one mass shooting to the next.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 16:35:51 GMT
Another example of all the winning trump boasts about..
ABC News...
”NEW: U.S. stocks nosedived in morning trading on Wall Street as China's currency fell sharply and stoked fears that the trade war between the world's two largest economies would continue escalating. abcn.ws/2Kogv6g”
At this point the Dow is down 600 points.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 16:38:08 GMT
Nancy Pelosi...
”It took less than three hours for the president to back off his call for stronger background check legislation. When he can’t talk about guns when he talks about gun violence, it shows the president remains prisoner to the gun lobby and the NRA.”
”The public must weigh in and demand passage of this legislation for the safety of our children.”
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 5, 2019 16:57:15 GMT
I do feel that our media/entertainment has sensationalized guns. After watching 45 minutes of the shootings coverage on CNN the first commercial shown was an ad for a movie where the actors were shooting each other up. Poor choice if you ask me. I feel that society has sensationalized guns and movies have responded to that (although there have always been movies about shootouts, but the weapons have changed). If people didn't watch those types of movies, they wouldn't make them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 5, 2019 17:00:00 GMT
Two more have died today in El Paso..... 22 total......
Oh and the mom of the 2 month old baby boy who had been reported decease, her DH has also been listed named as deceased, he had been inside Walmart ... He had also tried to protect his wife and baby. The baby was found under her body. They leave 3 young children!
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Post by used2scrap on Aug 5, 2019 17:03:46 GMT
Another example of all the winning trump boasts about.. ABC News... ”NEW: U.S. stocks nosedived in morning trading on Wall Street as China's currency fell sharply and stoked fears that the trade war between the world's two largest economies would continue escalating. abcn.ws/2Kogv6g” At this point the Dow is down 600 points. Except gun manufacturer stocks are UP amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/05/investing/gun-stocks/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:06:14 GMT
Telling.. PollingReport.. ”Feb. 2019] Do you think it is more important to protect gun rights or control gun violence? Democrats Protect gun rights 11% Control gun violence 87% Republicans Protect gun rights 68% Control gun violence 26% (NPR/PBS/Marist Poll, RV, 2/5-11/19)” link
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Post by katiescarlett on Aug 5, 2019 18:13:08 GMT
Andrew Wortman.. ”Trump is now deleting his tweets calling immigrants an “invasion” now that he inspired the El Paso shooter to murder 20 people to “stop the Hispanic invasion of Texas.” Sorry @realdonaldtrump, but the internet is forever.” I imagine a lot of those tweets are on this board. According to Snopes this is false. link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 18:49:42 GMT
ABC News...
“NEW: President Trump spoke with Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat, and Sen. Pat Toomey, a Republican, this morning separately about their background check bill: "The president showed a willingness to work with us on the issue of strengthening background checks"
This is not enough. The guns that were used, regardless of their name, are military type guns that have no place on the streets of the United States. They belong on the battlefield, not on our streets. Gun owners must accept the simple fact that not every type of gun manufactured should be available to the public.
All gun laws must be national. California has tough laws, the neighboring states do not. The gun used in the Gilroy mass shooting was purchased in Nevada. Chicago has tough gun laws, the neighboring areas do not. The carnage was so bad in a particular area of Chicago over the weekend, one hospital closed their emergency room.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 18:51:57 GMT
trump...
”We must honor the sacred memory of those we have lost by acting as ONE PEOPLE. Open wounds cannot heal if we are divided. We must seek real, bipartisan solutions that will truly make America safer and better for all.”
What a bunch of bullshit coming from this man. All you have to do is read the tweets he didn’t delete after all to know that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 18:56:02 GMT
This is the true trump, not someone claiming we are all one people.
Maggie Haberman..
”Shortly before the shooting began in El Paso on Saturday, Mr. Trump retweeted Katie Hopkins, a right-wing British political commentator who has said Islam 'disgusts' her and urged her fellow citizens to 'arm ourselves' ... against foreign infiltration."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 19:04:49 GMT
Telling.. PollingReport.. ”Feb. 2019] Do you think it is more important to protect gun rights or control gun violence? Democrats Protect gun rights 11% Control gun violence 87% Republicans Protect gun rights 68% Control gun violence 26% (NPR/PBS/Marist Poll, RV, 2/5-11/19)” linkThat poll should have been Protect gun rights Protect life I guess the Republican numbers wouldn’t change. I have zero respect for anyone who is prepared to accept the death of other people as collateral damage just so any Tom Dick or Harry have the right to own a gun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 19:06:44 GMT
Paul Waldman...
”Does Trump encourage violent racists? Of course. But what happens when they decide he has failed to deliver the national cleansing he promised them?
The result could be even worse violence and more terrorism. I explore here:”
From the Washington Post...
“How Trump’s biggest broken promise will make white supremacist terrorism even worse”
“In the wake of two horrific mass shootings over the weekend, particularly the one in El Paso where 20 people were allegedly murdered by a man who apparently left an online message echoing some of the themes of President Trump’s rhetoric, many have been putting blame at least partially at the president’s feet. We can debate how justified that is, but for the moment I want to shift focus just a little. There’s another vital question we need to ask: not whether Trump is inspiring murderers, but whether he is now, and will in the future, disappoint them in ways that could lead to more deadly violence.
In that screed, the author made reference to “the great replacement,” a right-wing theory about how white people are being replaced not only in numbers but in power and influence by minorities. You probably recall that the neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville in 2017 chanted “Jews will not replace us!,” but these ideas can be heard on the president’s favorite cable news network, where Laura Ingraham warns that Democrats “want to replace you, the American voters, with newly amnestied citizens and an ever increasing number of chain migrants.”
“This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas,” the author wrote, stressing the importance of forestalling future Democratic electoral victories. But what’s also striking is that he did not cite Trump as his inspiration or his savior. “My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,” he wrote. Trump has been president for almost three years, talking in the same way this young man allegedly did and identifying the same thing as America’s most serious problem. Yet as far as the author was concerned, the Trump presidency didn’t solve that problem. Mass murder was still required.
In 2016, with his disturbingly sharp instinct for locating and stimulating the worst in people, Trump understood something other Republicans missed. The party’s base was angry and hungry, hungry for someone who would dispense with dog whistles and insinuations and give explicit voice to their rage and resentments. Trump gave it to them, and over and over again we still hear it from his supporters: “He says what I’m feeling.”
For many of them, that’s enough. To hear their sentiments echoed from the highest office in the land provides enormous satisfaction, even if the results don’t match the rhetoric.
But others, the less stable and the more heavily armed, will not be assuaged. They may well see in Trump’s presidency nothing but failure. After all, didn’t he promise a return to when people like them were on top? The Muslims would be banned, the minorities would be shown their place, a “big beautiful wall” would be built from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico — and Mexico would pay for it
It’s hard to overstate the symbolic importance that last part had for many Trump supporters, even if it was preposterous from the beginning. The idea of forcing Mexico to pay for the wall was about dominance, restoring our dignity by humiliating our neighbor to the south. This was the beating heart of what Trump promised, especially to white men who felt the world had shoved them aside: not just practical results but also a restoration of strength and stature.
And if you were one of those men, what do you see around you? You might love Trump for the things he says, but you might also come to believe he has failed you.
America has not been cleansed. The wall is not built, and Mexico has paid for nothing. There are no fewer immigrants in the United States than there were in 2016. Trump has not stopped the “invasion” or the “infestation”; instead, on an almost daily basis, he tells us it’s getting worse. Muslims are still here; a few of them are even in Congress. Women keep occupying more positions of prominence, and insisting that men be held to account for behavior that once was seen as their privilege. The clock Trump promised to wind back to a time when America was great has stubbornly continued to tick into the future.
If that’s what you think, you may or may not be angry at Trump, but you may conclude that it was foolish to expect a president to accomplish what you thought was needed. And you might, like the alleged El Paso or Tree of Life shooters or any of the white supremacist/nationalist terrorists we’ve seen in recent years, decide that you have no choice but to take matters into your own hands.
As historian Rick Perlstein noted just after the 2016 election, Trump made practical promises he couldn’t possibly keep, but “the biggest, only made implicitly, was the same one fascist strongmen always offer: transcendent national renewal, built upon the cleansing of dangerous untermenschen from the body politic.” Once that promise inevitably fails to be fulfilled, the results could be catastrophic. “The more Trumpism fails, the more, and more violently, scapegoats will be blamed.”
We are not heading toward that point, because we’re already there. And what happens if Trump loses in 2020? Then the most radical and murderous on the far right will know that the political project truly failed, and they may decide there is no option but violence until the America they want is born out of the carnage.
So yes, we can and must condemn Trump for being such an inspiration to the most depraved among us. But we should also know that defeating him will not make them disappear. It could make them even more dangerous.
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Post by inkedup on Aug 5, 2019 19:07:32 GMT
Some of the idiot conservatives I know are now blaming liberals for the shooting. Because stupid libs made the death penalty an ineffective deterrent.
That bullshit came from a person who blathers on and on about personal responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 19:13:11 GMT
This is the true trump, not someone claiming we are all one people. Maggie Haberman.. ”Shortly before the shooting began in El Paso on Saturday, Mr. Trump retweeted Katie Hopkins, a right-wing British political commentator who has said Islam 'disgusts' her and urged her fellow citizens to 'arm ourselves' ... against foreign infiltration." Katie Hopkins isn’t a legit political commentator. She’s just an unsuccessful past contestant on the British version of the Apprentice. She’s a moron and has made her name by confirming that she is one. She’s a racist homophobic loud mouth bitch.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 5, 2019 20:52:50 GMT
Very interesting...... ** A federal judge in Washington, D.C., on Monday pressed Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers on why the public shouldn’t be allowed to see redacted portions of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, suggesting that he may be willing to consider releasing at least some of the restricted document. Judge Reggie Walton, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, posed the questions during a hearing on a pair of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits seeking the redacted portions of the report. ** Walton in particular raised concerns about Attorney General William Barr’s initial handling of Mueller’s report, indicating that he believed there were discrepancies in how Barr characterized the report and the former special counsel’s actual findings. “I do have some concerns because it seems to me difficult to reconcile the contents of the Mueller report and statements made by the attorney general” about the report, Walton said. The judge pointed to a letter authored by Barr weeks ahead of the report's release that said Mueller determined there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election and Barr’s suggestion that the president was cleared by the report. ** Enlow argued that rulings in previous FOIA cases mean that the administration doesn’t necessarily have to make that information publicly available. However, Walton appeared skeptical. At several times throughout the hearing, he noted the high level of public interest in the redacted versions of the documents. ** MORE at link: thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/456236-judge-questions-barrs-handling-of-mueller-findings
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 21:35:17 GMT
A statement from a real President.
President Obama..
Michelle and I grieve with all the families in El Paso and Dayton who endured these latest mass shootings. Even if details are still emerging, there are a few things we already know to be true. First, no other nation on Earth comes close to experiencing the frequency of mass shootings that we see in the United States. No other developed nation tolerates the levels of gun violence that we do. Every time this happens, we’re told that tougher gun laws won’t stop all murders; that they won’t stop every deranged individual from getting a weapon and shooting innocent people in public places. But the evidence shows that they can stop some killings. They can save some families from heartbreak. We are not helpless here. And until all of us stand up and insist on holding public officials accountable for changing our gun laws, these tragedies will keep happening. Second, while the motivations behind these shootings may not yet be fully known, there are indications that the El Paso shooting follows a dangerous trend: troubled individuals who embrace racist ideologies and see themselves obligated to act violently to preserve white supremacy. Like the followers of ISIS and other foreign terrorist organizations, these individuals may act alone, but they’ve been radicalized by white nationalist websites that proliferate on the internet. That means that both law enforcement agencies and internet platforms need to come up with better strategies to reduce the influence of these hate groups. But just as important, all of us have to send a clarion call and behave with the values of tolerance and diversity that should be the hallmark of our democracy. We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments; leaders who demonize those who don’t look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people. Such language isn’t new – it’s been at the root of most human tragedy throughout history, here in America and around the world. It is at the root of slavery and Jim Crow, the Holocaust, the genocide in Rwanda and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. It has no place in our politics and our public life. And it’s time for the overwhelming majority of Americans of goodwill, of every race and faith and political party, to say as much – clearly and unequivocally.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 5, 2019 21:53:52 GMT
This is the true trump, not someone claiming we are all one people. Maggie Haberman.. ”Shortly before the shooting began in El Paso on Saturday, Mr. Trump retweeted Katie Hopkins, a right-wing British political commentator who has said Islam 'disgusts' her and urged her fellow citizens to 'arm ourselves' ... against foreign infiltration." My guess is that he didn't even read the prepared speech that he gave this morning prior to reading it on air.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 5, 2019 22:38:32 GMT
OH, ... Bragging Moscow Mitch...............
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Post by Merge on Aug 5, 2019 22:42:05 GMT
Meanwhile, in Houston, 11 people were shot in a 12 hour period last night. Six of them died. If the gun enthusiasts' claim that guns make us safer were true, neither El Paso nor Houston should have happened. Texans are among the most heavily armed people in the country. Bad guys should be afraid to shoot people here, right? Right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 23:44:53 GMT
White House Press...
”President Trump is proud to announce the nomination of National Security Adviser John Bolton for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for his tremendous efforts in bringing peace to Iran, Venezuela and Israel. @ambjohnbolton @realdonaldtrump @nobelprize”
Now that is funny...
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 6, 2019 0:27:58 GMT
White House Press... ”President Trump is proud to announce the nomination of National Security Adviser John Bolton for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for his tremendous efforts in bringing peace to Iran, Venezuela and Israel. @ambjohnbolton @realdonaldtrump @nobelprize” Now that is funny... It would be funny if it was backwards day, on a sitcom. And not real life.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Aug 6, 2019 4:29:57 GMT
White House Press... ”President Trump is proud to announce the nomination of National Security Adviser John Bolton for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for his tremendous efforts in bringing peace to Iran, Venezuela and Israel. @ambjohnbolton @realdonaldtrump @nobelprize” Now that is funny... Can you imagine the individual who read that nomination first? The committee had to respond to the hysterical laughter by asking what is so funny. Seriously—breathe—and tell us what is so funny! <sigh>
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 8:22:39 GMT
White House Press... ”President Trump is proud to announce the nomination of National Security Adviser John Bolton for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for his tremendous efforts in bringing peace to Iran, Venezuela and Israel. @ambjohnbolton @realdonaldtrump @nobelprize” Now that is funny... I don't think they fully understand the criteria for which it is awarded for. They make themselves look like idiots for even thinking of nominating his let alone doing so.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 6, 2019 10:14:36 GMT
Meanwhile, in Houston, 11 people were shot in a 12 hour period last night. Six of them died. If the gun enthusiasts' claim that guns make us safer were true, neither El Paso nor Houston should have happened. Texans are among the most heavily armed people in the country. Bad guys should be afraid to shoot people here, right? Right? Yeah if you can't stop a mass shooting at a Walmart in Texas, what hope do the rest of us have?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:31:09 GMT
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