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Post by 950nancy on Jul 24, 2019 21:29:24 GMT
Apparently not...nor was his wife Oh? What He has both, a wife and a girlfriend All the best leaders do.
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Post by gar on Jul 24, 2019 21:30:15 GMT
Oh? What He has both, a wife and a girlfriend All the best leaders do. Best? Or highest proflle?
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Post by carhoch on Jul 24, 2019 21:45:35 GMT
Good luck, UK folks. We, too, elected a bloviating, lying, bigoted egomaniac. It uh, doesn't go well. I'm sorry.
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Post by gar on Jul 24, 2019 22:04:08 GMT
Good luck, UK folks. We, too, elected a bloviating, lying, bigoted egomaniac. It uh, doesn't go well. I'm sorry. He really isn’t Trump Mark 2.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 24, 2019 22:15:46 GMT
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 24, 2019 22:22:16 GMT
Best? Or highest proflle? I should have said bigly.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 24, 2019 23:27:03 GMT
No, it is a different government system, I agree. It’s not a Trump situation there. Hopefully Boris has no twitter account and no god awful rallies, that’s where Trump is at his most cringeworthy. 😅 The checks and balances here haven’t gone anywhere - they’ve chosen their course (lack of) of response. Their hands are not tied, except by their own inertia. What inertia? We have 6 separate House committees currently investigating Trump. We couldn’t do anything before 2019 because both chambers were under Republican control. Our courts have also shot down one unlawful Trump admin policy after another. Okay, since the Democrats took back the house the checks and balances have been more obvious granted, but before that under GOP control it was pretty disillusioning. That’s more what I more referring to. It is true the Supreme Court has been pretty effective. Thanks for the reminder that of that. Sometimes it’s easy to get so frustrated by the executive branch, you forget that some of the other branches have been doing exactly what they’re supposed to do.
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Post by carhoch on Jul 24, 2019 23:52:33 GMT
He really isn’t Trump Mark 2. I hope that you are right but I am having doubts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 0:53:08 GMT
He really isn’t Trump Mark 2. I hope that you are right but I am having doubts I agree with gar he really isn’t Trump 2 and there is nothing to doubt. what makes you think he is to give you doubts.?
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Post by wellway on Jul 25, 2019 7:41:40 GMT
One benefit of the new cabinet is the Chris Grayling has been moved out in addition to the useless Northern Ireland minister, hopefully the new NI minister actually knows something of the voting patterns there.
Seems I wasn't the only one to look up what Gove's new job entailed, I had only typed in Chan when the full option came up!!
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Post by gillyp on Jul 25, 2019 7:46:17 GMT
Re him being Trump 2, Boris was first elected a member of Parliament in 2001 so he has a long history as a politician; he has held cabinet office and been Mayor of London. He is fluent in at least 3 languages although I agree his fluency in English may be suspect on occasion. He was a journalist for many years, is highly educated and comes from Jewish, Muslim and Christian grandparents.
At this point, imho, the only likeness he has to DT is in appearance and his verbal gaffes.
A few weeks ago I was saying anyone but Boris to lead us but he’s there and I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he does a good job n
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Post by gar on Jul 25, 2019 8:11:12 GMT
At this point, imho, the only likeness he has to DT is in appearance and his verbal gaffes. Yes, I don't see any personality/character parallels thank god!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 4, 2019 11:36:32 GMT
Phil Wilson is right. This clearly demonstrates Jacob Rees Moggs contempt for, well, the House and the rest of the population. It comes to something when the Father of the House, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, the former Attorney General, a grandson of Wilton Churchill and others are booted out of the party by a braying bully.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 13:08:40 GMT
Footage from 2018, but relevant now too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 20:19:54 GMT
Footage from 2018, but relevant now too. That’s old news though. It was categorically denied when it first surfaced in June. Bannon can say whatever he wants but doesn’t make it true. Boris Johnson confirmed that he was introduced to him a couple of times when Bannon was at the White House but other than that they have never met. Bannon apparently text him after his resignation but there was no text “ conversation” other than an acknowledgment.BJ hardly needs advice from someone like Bannon on the text of his speech. The video resurface now from the anti Brexit brigade. Aides that are close to BJ has branded it a conspiracy. I believe BJ called it a load of codswalop or words to that effect when it was originally released. I think we would have all found out by now if BJ was a white extremist in the same category as Bannon, he’s been around for far too long in politics to hide it if he was. Theresa May would never have appointed him as Foreign Secretary if he was. He wasn’t the only person to resign from the cabinet that week-end over the Chequers deal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 23:11:43 GMT
Couldn't happen to a cockier guy: "So, there we have it. Boris Johnson has lost three key parliamentary votes in less than 24 hours. It's worth mentioning these three votes were the first votes he faced in Parliament since becoming Prime Minister. Here is the tally: He was first defeated on Wednesday when the opposition, joined by a group of 21 Conservative rebels, seized control of parliamentary business He then failed to stop a bill blocking no-deal Brexit from going through And finally, he lost a vote on whether to hold an early election. British politics doesn't follow the three-strikes law. But the defeats are painful -- especially since Johnson has also lost his working majority in Parliament after sacking the rebels who voted against him." www.cnn.com/uk/live-news/boris-johnson-brexit-wednesday-dle-gbr-intl/index.html
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Post by gillyp on Sept 5, 2019 0:13:55 GMT
Don’t you just know that at some point he will say “it’s all going to plan, exactly as I expected”.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 0:34:09 GMT
Don’t you just know that at some point he will say “it’s all going to plan, exactly as I expected”. I'm at a lost what anyone has accomplished today to be honest. They've stopped the no deal in the commons. I'm not going to try and guess what the Lords will do,and yet they've also not agreed to a general election. So what is it that they want? To carry on with all the chaos and move the date AGAIN for the fourth time? How many more times are they prepared to do this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 3:33:08 GMT
Don’t you just know that at some point he will say “it’s all going to plan, exactly as I expected”. I'm at a lost what anyone has accomplished today to be honest. They've stopped the no deal in the commons. I'm not going to try and guess what the Lords will do,and yet they've also not agreed to a general election. So what is it that they want? To carry on with all the chaos and move the date AGAIN for the fourth time? How many more times are they prepared to do this? Update: "There were fears pro-Brexit peers could deliberately hold up the bill so it could not get royal assent before Parliament is prorogued next week. But the Conservative chief whip in the Lords announced a breakthrough in the early hours after talks with Labour. The peers sat until 01:30 BST, holding a series of amendment votes which appeared to support predictions that a marathon filibuster session - designed to derail the bill - was under way. But then Lord Ashton of Hyde made his announcement that all stages of the bill would be completed in the Lords by 17:00 BST on Friday. He added that the Commons chief whip had also given a commitment that MPs will consider any Lords amendments on Monday and that the government intends that the "bill will be ready to be present for Royal Assent"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49588186
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 8:27:33 GMT
I'm at a lost what anyone has accomplished today to be honest. They've stopped the no deal in the commons. I'm not going to try and guess what the Lords will do,and yet they've also not agreed to a general election. So what is it that they want? To carry on with all the chaos and move the date AGAIN for the fourth time? How many more times are they prepared to do this? Update: "There were fears pro-Brexit peers could deliberately hold up the bill so it could not get royal assent before Parliament is prorogued next week. But the Conservative chief whip in the Lords announced a breakthrough in the early hours after talks with Labour. The peers sat until 01:30 BST, holding a series of amendment votes which appeared to support predictions that a marathon filibuster session - designed to derail the bill - was under way. But then Lord Ashton of Hyde made his announcement that all stages of the bill would be completed in the Lords by 17:00 BST on Friday. He added that the Commons chief whip had also given a commitment that MPs will consider any Lords amendments on Monday and that the government intends that the "bill will be ready to be present for Royal Assent"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49588186We're no further forward though. They've also voted against a general election.Jeremy Corbyn said “Let the Bill pass and have Royal Assent and then we can have a general election.” now that he's got the no deal through he's obviously changed his mind by the number of vote that voted against having a General Election. BJ will speak directly to the public later today, setting out the vital choice that faces our country”, Downing Street said. A spokesman said: “ He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn’s Surrender Bill will force the Prime Minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make. This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history – the 2016 referendum“The PM will not do this. “It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on October 31 or Jeremy Corbyn arriving in Brussels with his surrender bill begging for more delay, more dither and accepting whatever terms Brussels imposes over our nation.” The spokesman added: “For Jeremy Corbyn to continue to avoid an election would be a cowardly insult to democracy.” I personally think that a general election isn't going to solve it because I'm pretty certain we would end up with a hung parliament and we would be back to square one.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 5, 2019 9:31:53 GMT
This reminds me of that advert for, iirc, home insurance. “Do your locks comply to British Standards blah blah blah?” “I don’t know, no body knows”.
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Update: "There were fears pro-Brexit peers could deliberately hold up the bill so it could not get royal assent before Parliament is prorogued next week. But the Conservative chief whip in the Lords announced a breakthrough in the early hours after talks with Labour. The peers sat until 01:30 BST, holding a series of amendment votes which appeared to support predictions that a marathon filibuster session - designed to derail the bill - was under way. But then Lord Ashton of Hyde made his announcement that all stages of the bill would be completed in the Lords by 17:00 BST on Friday. He added that the Commons chief whip had also given a commitment that MPs will consider any Lords amendments on Monday and that the government intends that the "bill will be ready to be present for Royal Assent"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49588186We're no further forward though. They've also voted against a general election.Jeremy Corbyn said “Let the Bill pass and have Royal Assent and then we can have a general election.” now that he's got the no deal through he's obviously changed his mind by the number of vote that voted against having a General Election. BJ will speak directly to the public later today, setting out the vital choice that faces our country”, Downing Street said. A spokesman said: “ He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn’s Surrender Bill will force the Prime Minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make. This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history – the 2016 referendum“The PM will not do this. “It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on October 31 or Jeremy Corbyn arriving in Brussels with his surrender bill begging for more delay, more dither and accepting whatever terms Brussels imposes over our nation.” The spokesman added: “For Jeremy Corbyn to continue to avoid an election would be a cowardly insult to democracy.” I personally think that a general election isn't going to solve it because I'm pretty certain we would end up with a hung parliament and we would be back to square one. May, the Tories and the govt negotiated for YEARS to come up w/a deal. The problem isn't the deal, which May, the Tories and the govt shepherded through the process, it's that the Tories have always been split on Brexit, as have Labour. The problem is the UK was sold a bill of goods which bears NO resemblance to the reality of leaving the EU after 20 years of relationships and business deals and business processes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 14:29:41 GMT
We're no further forward though. They've also voted against a general election.Jeremy Corbyn said “Let the Bill pass and have Royal Assent and then we can have a general election.” now that he's got the no deal through he's obviously changed his mind by the number of vote that voted against having a General Election. BJ will speak directly to the public later today, setting out the vital choice that faces our country”, Downing Street said. A spokesman said: “ He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn’s Surrender Bill will force the Prime Minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make. This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history – the 2016 referendum“The PM will not do this. “It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on October 31 or Jeremy Corbyn arriving in Brussels with his surrender bill begging for more delay, more dither and accepting whatever terms Brussels imposes over our nation.” The spokesman added: “For Jeremy Corbyn to continue to avoid an election would be a cowardly insult to democracy.” I personally think that a general election isn't going to solve it because I'm pretty certain we would end up with a hung parliament and we would be back to square one. May, the Tories and the govt negotiated for YEARS to come up w/a deal. The problem isn't the deal, which May, the Tories and the govt shepherded through the process, it's that the Tories have always been split on Brexit, as have Labour. The problem is the UK was sold a bill of goods which bears NO resemblance to the reality of leaving the EU after 20 years of relationships and business deals and business processes. I disagree. We were not sold a bill that had no reality. The stayers were equally as vocal during the campaign leading up to the vote as much as the leavers were. To suggest that the leavers didn't know what it meant to leave is disingenuous. If people couldn't be bothered to look for themselves and check the details of why they were voting the way they did, that is on them and not on the results of the referendum.There was plenty of information out there if they cared to read it. You can't disregard the votes of the majority because one doesn't like the results. The deal that is under negotiation is not the end product on everything of how we deal with the EU in the future. It's a negotiated deal of what happens during the transition period and only some of it will be carried over to the time after we leave. Trade is one of the things that we can't negotiate until after we leave.
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Post by gar on Sept 5, 2019 14:36:15 GMT
We're no further forward though. They've also voted against a general election.Jeremy Corbyn said “Let the Bill pass and have Royal Assent and then we can have a general election.” now that he's got the no deal through he's obviously changed his mind by the number of vote that voted against having a General Election. BJ will speak directly to the public later today, setting out the vital choice that faces our country”, Downing Street said. A spokesman said: “ He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn’s Surrender Bill will force the Prime Minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make. This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history – the 2016 referendum“The PM will not do this. “It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on October 31 or Jeremy Corbyn arriving in Brussels with his surrender bill begging for more delay, more dither and accepting whatever terms Brussels imposes over our nation.” The spokesman added: “For Jeremy Corbyn to continue to avoid an election would be a cowardly insult to democracy.” I personally think that a general election isn't going to solve it because I'm pretty certain we would end up with a hung parliament and we would be back to square one. May, the Tories and the govt negotiated for YEARS to come up w/a deal. The problem isn't the deal, which May, the Tories and the govt shepherded through the process, it's that the Tories have always been split on Brexit, as have Labour. The problem is the UK was sold a bill of goods which bears NO resemblance to the reality of leaving the EU after 20 years of relationships and business deals and business processes. I agree.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 5, 2019 14:37:47 GMT
Update: "There were fears pro-Brexit peers could deliberately hold up the bill so it could not get royal assent before Parliament is prorogued next week. But the Conservative chief whip in the Lords announced a breakthrough in the early hours after talks with Labour. The peers sat until 01:30 BST, holding a series of amendment votes which appeared to support predictions that a marathon filibuster session - designed to derail the bill - was under way. But then Lord Ashton of Hyde made his announcement that all stages of the bill would be completed in the Lords by 17:00 BST on Friday. He added that the Commons chief whip had also given a commitment that MPs will consider any Lords amendments on Monday and that the government intends that the "bill will be ready to be present for Royal Assent"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49588186We're no further forward though. They've also voted against a general election.Jeremy Corbyn said “Let the Bill pass and have Royal Assent and then we can have a general election.” now that he's got the no deal through he's obviously changed his mind by the number of vote that voted against having a General Election. BJ will speak directly to the public later today, setting out the vital choice that faces our country”, Downing Street said. A spokesman said: “ He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn’s Surrender Bill will force the Prime Minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make. This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history – the 2016 referendum“The PM will not do this. “It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on October 31 or Jeremy Corbyn arriving in Brussels with his surrender bill begging for more delay, more dither and accepting whatever terms Brussels imposes over our nation.” The spokesman added: “For Jeremy Corbyn to continue to avoid an election would be a cowardly insult to democracy.” I personally think that a general election isn't going to solve it because I'm pretty certain we would end up with a hung parliament and we would be back to square one. Or you may not. You could end up with the majority because polls are indicating people are totally fed up with this. They want it over. A general election might be exactly what you need at this point because it’ll be a proxy to a second referendum. Once and for all, now fully cognizant of all the pros and cons, people will decide if they want Brexit or not with who they vote for. I know your stance which is people have already voted for Brexit and it’s up to the MPs to deliver. But parliament keeps on undermining gov’t (same as when May was PM), and no one’s budging so you need something to settle all this. Otherwise, you’ll just get a retread of the last three years. And you know Boris will ignore Benn’s possible legislation, right? Can you see him giving a letter to Brussels seeking an extension? That’s why Gove didn’t answer when asked if Boris will abide by it. His reply was they’ll have to see what’s in it. Boris said two days ago under no circumstances will he do so. I don’t know what your rules are, but I would assume your courts will end up having to decide. This is another reason why a general election is needed; either Boris gets the mandate he needs now that he’s lost his majority OR Brexit is over. One way or the other, your parliament and your country are forced to move on. If I had been part of the process, I would have voted to remain. But regardless, Dotty, I understand what you are feeling firsthand. I really do. On two occasions in modern history, US Democrats’ votes have been neutralized by our Electoral College. That’s how we ended up with Bush and Trump. When Obama was president, the will of the people and the president’s statutory right were subverted by McConnell in denying the Supreme Court seat to Garland. So, I know and fully understand your frustration. Boy, do I know.
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