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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 11, 2014 0:03:16 GMT
Wendy Davis Wins the Prize for Most Ill-Advised Political Ad of 2014 Texas Democrat brings up opponent's disability in new attack ad The 2014 campaign season reached its nastiest point yet Friday, with a campaign ad by Texas gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis that plays off the disability of her opponent Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, while calling him a hypocrite in the same breath. Abbott was struck by a limb falling from an oak tree in 1984, and has used a wheelchair ever since. In the ad titled “Justice”, a narrator shares that after the Republican’s accident—which isn’t directly mentioned, though the ad opens with a shot of an empty wheelchair—he “sued and got millions. Since then he spent his career working against other victims.” Link to TIME article and video
"Say Yes to the Dress" was silly but this ad is mean spirited and pretty desperate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 0:05:37 GMT
Attack ads are disgusting. I wish no one used them!
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Post by Sharon on Oct 11, 2014 0:27:56 GMT
I don't agree with her politics, but I wouldn't vote for her based solely on all her smear ads. She's so sleazy!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 0:28:50 GMT
Even solid Democrat Bob Beckel (sp?) said it was a very bad move on Wendy Davis' campaign and he has worked a lot of Democratic campaigns over his lifetime..... You don't attack personal disabilities, no matter what the reason. Attack his decisions or the cases he has worked, but there was NO need to attack his wheelchair/disability.
Plus one sentence about a court case (and one date was 1998) doesn't make for a full story about why he worked on the case or on the side that he did.
It's one of the nastiest things I have seen in a long time.
And Greg Abbott has a very strong record on collecting child support for kids and moms who desperately need it. While I complain from an HR side of having to fill out a New Hire record for every new employee and forwarding deductions every payroll, if there is a CS order, I get it within a few weeks, sometimes sooner. Which means less time that the parent/child goes without a CS payment when the non-custodial parent changes jobs.
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Post by conchita on Oct 11, 2014 0:29:36 GMT
Yeah, I've been seeing her ads aired and they're going straight for the jugular. 
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 11, 2014 0:34:45 GMT
I like Wendy Davis but if I lived in Texas that would me question her judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 3:55:38 GMT
Gosh, isn't that nice? What a loser she is and will be.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 11, 2014 3:58:30 GMT
Ok, I guess I just don't understand why this is offensive.
The ad is about the fact that Abbott received a large amount of money from a lawsuit. But now he makes it his business to make sure other people can't do the same thing.
It's not about his disability, it's about his hypocrisy.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 11, 2014 10:05:14 GMT
Not from Texas, so I'm curious. Is the ad accurate? Did Abbott really argue that a woman with a prosthetic limb wasn't disabled?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 11, 2014 12:17:14 GMT
I am not from Texas so I don't know a lot about Abbott.
I assume he is a lawyer and represented defendants in civil lawsuits.
The way I understand the judicial system is that a case is brought by a plaintiff against a defendant in a court of law. Each is represented by legal counsel, a judge presides and a JURY decides.
If you think Abbott is a hipocrit then you must not believe in the legal system in the Country. Davis is also an attorney which I think makes this all the more agregious because she isn't only taking a cheap shot at Abbott but at the judicial system and juries in particular.
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Post by Merge on Oct 11, 2014 12:36:50 GMT
I am not from Texas so I don't know a lot about Abbott. I assume he is a lawyer and represented defendants in civil lawsuits. The way I understand the judicial system is that a case is brought by a plaintiff against a defendant in a court of law. Each is represented by legal counsel, a judge presides and a JURY decides. If you think Abbott is a hypocrite then you must not believe in the legal system in the Country. Davis is also an attorney which I think makes this all the more egregious because she isn't only taking a cheap shot at Abbott but at the judicial system and juries in particular. Fixed those for you. You know what assuming gets you. Abbott hasn't been a lawyer taking paying clients since 1996. He served two terms on the Texas supreme court and then won election as the state's attorney general, where he has served since 2001. The SAG's office has a lot of latitude over the cases it prosecutes and the way it prosecutes them. I don't think the ad is about Abbott's disability; I think it's about his personally benefiting from our judicial system and then working in his capacity as an appointed or elected state official to deny others an equivalent opportunity. It has nothing to do with taking cheap shots at the judicial system or juries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 12:50:26 GMT
Ok, I guess I just don't understand why this is offensive. The ad is about the fact that Abbott received a large amount of money from a lawsuit. But now he makes it his business to make sure other people can't do the same thing. It's not about his disability, it's about his hypocrisy. That's exactly it.
Greg Abbott received around 9 million for his injury (deserved), but yet spent years crafting legislation that imposed limits on lawsuits awards. He also ridiculed an opponent in his race for AG for being a personal injury attorney, the very profession that he himself used to receive his settlement.
Just because you're in a wheelchair doesn't mean your not an asshole or above criticism regarding your hypocrisy.
It's an interesting race to observe.
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Post by Merge on Oct 11, 2014 12:57:18 GMT
Ok, I guess I just don't understand why this is offensive. The ad is about the fact that Abbott received a large amount of money from a lawsuit. But now he makes it his business to make sure other people can't do the same thing. It's not about his disability, it's about his hypocrisy. That's exactly it.
Greg Abbott received around 9 million for his injury (deserved), but yet spent years crafting legislation that imposed limits on lawsuits awards. He also ridiculed an opponent in his race for AG for being a personal injury attorney, the very profession that he himself used to receive his settlement.
Just because you're in a wheelchair doesn't mean your not an asshole or above criticism regarding your hypocrisy.
It's an interesting race to observe.
It is interesting indeed. And maddening. My personal experience is that most who will vote for Abbott/against Davis have no idea of either candidate's position on any issue except abortion. They complain about Texas education, regulatory issues, etc. and completely fail to tie any of those problems to the Republican establishment, of which Abbott has been a powerful and vocal member for decades. I really don't get it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 11, 2014 12:59:12 GMT
I was interested in the fact that despite being disabled himself, he argued that a woman with a prosthetic limb wasn't disabled. 2 members of my family have had prosthetic limbs, and they were most definitely disabled. So I think that he is either a hypocrite or a moron. I don't know the man, so I couldn't say which label is more accurate.
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Post by Sharon on Oct 11, 2014 13:46:27 GMT
I am not from Texas so I don't know a lot about Abbott. I assume he is a lawyer and represented defendants in civil lawsuits. The way I understand the judicial system is that a case is brought by a plaintiff against a defendant in a court of law. Each is represented by legal counsel, a judge presides and a JURY decides. If you think Abbott is a hipocrit then you must not believe in the legal system in the Country. Davis is also an attorney which I think makes this all the more agregious because she isn't only taking a cheap shot at Abbott but at the judicial system and juries in particular. She just won't tell the whole story. She twists it to suit her campaign. The more I learn about her, the worse I think she is!
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Post by myshelly on Oct 11, 2014 13:54:28 GMT
I am not from Texas so I don't know a lot about Abbott. I assume he is a lawyer and represented defendants in civil lawsuits. The way I understand the judicial system is that a case is brought by a plaintiff against a defendant in a court of law. Each is represented by legal counsel, a judge presides and a JURY decides. If you think Abbott is a hipocrit then you must not believe in the legal system in the Country. Davis is also an attorney which I think makes this all the more agregious because she isn't only taking a cheap shot at Abbott but at the judicial system and juries in particular. I am from Texas. You are wrong, which makes your position frustrating. It's frustrating to me that you wouldn't make the effort to get the facts before making a judgment. Abbot has been our states attorney general. He has served on the Texas Supreme Court. As a politician he has attempted to craft policy and laws that prevent people from recovering or even getting to court in cases ridiculously similar to the case he himself won a large amount of money for. To me that is the height of hypocrisy. This is NOT a matter of a lawyer making and argument to represent his client.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 14:11:02 GMT
In a culture where image is everything, Davis was ill-advised to use the wheelchair as a major part of the ad. What she said about Abbott's hypocrisy could have been said without bringing a visible reminder of his disability to everyone's minds. That's where she made a huge blunder. I'm really surprised someone in her campaign or even Davis herself didn't recognize that. Time Magazine did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 14:34:17 GMT
I'm new to Texas but I'm trying to catch up.
As I understand it, Abbott was awarded a bazillion dollars for medical care (lifelong). His damages were not punitive.
Later, as the State AG, he faught against the ability to be awarded outrageous punitive damages.
Which would make him not a hippocrit.
But haters are gonna hate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 14:49:49 GMT
In a culture where image is everything, Davis was ill-advised to use the wheelchair as a major part of the ad. What she said about Abbott's hypocrisy could have been said without bringing a visible reminder of his disability to everyone's minds. That's where she made a huge blunder. I'm really surprised someone in her campaign or even Davis herself didn't recognize that. Time Magazine did. But it is relavent to the discussion. It shows his hypocrisy.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 11, 2014 15:05:59 GMT
I'm new to Texas but I'm trying to catch up. As I understand it, Abbott was awarded a bazillion dollars for medical care (lifelong). His damages were not punitive. Later, as the State AG, he faught against the ability to be awarded outrageous punitive damages. Which would make him not a hippocrit. But haters are gonna hate. Haters are gonna hate. Yeah, I guess that you COULD say that. Or you could say that people with a sense of smell are gonna call bullshit when they smell it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 15:12:42 GMT
In a culture where image is everything, Davis was ill-advised to use the wheelchair as a major part of the ad. What she said about Abbott's hypocrisy could have been said without bringing a visible reminder of his disability to everyone's minds. That's where she made a huge blunder. I'm really surprised someone in her campaign or even Davis herself didn't recognize that. Time Magazine did. But it is relavent to the discussion. It shows his hypocrisy. Relevant or not, perception matters. That's the point Time was making.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 15:22:07 GMT
To me, the article isn't about whether the ad was justified or not. It was about showing a wheelchair in the attack ad, making it seem like she was attacking his disability.
Most people aren't going to try to find out whether the ad was justified or not. They are just going to be left with the impression that Ms. Davis was attacking Abbott for his disability. Not a smart move, IMO, and reeks of desperation. I read a CNN article this morning before I came here that stated that very thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 15:43:43 GMT
I'm new to Texas but I'm trying to catch up. As I understand it, Abbott was awarded a bazillion dollars for medical care (lifelong). His damages were not punitive. Later, as the State AG, he faught against the ability to be awarded outrageous punitive damages. Which would make him not a hippocrit. But haters are gonna hate. Haters are gonna hate. Yeah, I guess that you COULD say that. Or you could say that people with a sense of smell are gonna call bullshit when they smell it. You could also say that people can smell desperation.
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 11, 2014 15:45:56 GMT
True. And sadly, most Americans (in this case, Texans) won't bother to spend any real time researching the platforms of the candidates and therefore won't make an intelligent, informed decision. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 15:50:45 GMT
True. And sadly, most Americans (in this case, Texans) won't bother to spend any real time researching the platforms of the candidates and therefore won't make an intelligent, informed decision. Sad. You know, that is complete and total bullshit. To actually believe that means that you believe that you have the "right and only" view on any matter.
Believe it or not, there are other views out there. Yours isn't the only one. It doesn't mean people haven't researched. It means that they don't like what they represent.
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 11, 2014 15:59:51 GMT
I respectfully disagree. People have been influenced by bad press/ads/etc since stumping back in our early years in the good 'ole USA. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Mine's certainly not the only one, FFS. But the statement I am making, and I still believe it to be true, is that the majority of Americans don't bother to utilize credible sites (or volunteer for their candidates, read, etc.) to back up their preference. We teach our children from middle school age and up to vote and to become an informed citizen. Somewhere along the way we got caught up in the grandstanding, backbiting, and negative politicking that has been the bane of our political arena.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 11, 2014 16:13:41 GMT
Haters are gonna hate. Yeah, I guess that you COULD say that. Or you could say that people with a sense of smell are gonna call bullshit when they smell it. You could also say that people can smell desperation.
Lol. Potato, po-tah-toe.
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Post by grammyj64 on Oct 11, 2014 17:01:27 GMT
Although I have not seen the ad, I have heard about it, and it does not focus on his disability but on his hypocrisy. He sued and collected millions, while refusing to let patients at Baylor Plano sue a doctor who operated while under the influence and caused injury to them. The hospital system donated generously to Abbott's campaign . As far as personal attacks go, Abbott and his crew have called Wendy "Abortion Barbie" because she dared to defend women's rights. Flame away, but know that Abbott is not to be pitied or admired just because he is in a wheelchair.
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Post by jamh on Oct 11, 2014 17:14:56 GMT
Google for plenty of information about the cases mentioned in the ad because there is definitely more to those cases. First,one has to understand the job of the state's attorney general and case law. For example, the case of the woman with the amputated leg was so much more than being denied disability. To make a long story short, she kept getting denied promotions and sued on discrimination grounds because of her prosthetic leg. The case did eventually go to a jury trial, but she lost because other factors, that had nothing to do with her leg, actually caused her not to get promoted.
No matter what our political affiliations might be, I think it is important to really find out the rest of the story(if possible).
JamH
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:18:09 GMT
One thing, and I am not sure about timing, but the ADA originally only protected disabilities that didn't have a "fix"...so if a prosthetic "fixed" the issue of missing a limb, under ADA the person would not have been considered disabled. Another example would be a person who had vision issues correctable by glasses. Now ADA has been amended (a few times) and that language is no longer there. It is VERY possible that case was argued under a different version of ADA.
And to assume because people don't vote your side that they haven't researched the candidates, and if they just knew better they would vote your way, is insulting.
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