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Post by ToniW on Aug 18, 2019 3:59:11 GMT
Update 8/20/19: Yesterday DH underwent double bypass. Couldn't do the third as he had no viable veins but the doctor felt it was ok, he could do a stent when it is needed down the road. I saw him in CCU before leaving. He was still sedated and they will wean him off during the night.
Thanks for all the book and recipe suggestions. I'm going to try them and go from there.
On another note, I developed a damned stye in my eye. So annoying and painful and I'm not sure if this would affect my going to see him, since it might be an infection or a blockage.
Thursday night during our monthly meeting, DH said he wanted to go home, that he wasn't feeling well. The meeting was about over and it was extremely unusual for him to want to leave, as we still had dinner after the meeting. He had already not been feeling well all day and so I knew he really felt bad. Now, he has had problems walking any distance and he thought it was from his COPD for this past year but every time he had an episode, he would feel better after a bit of rest.
But not that night. As we got in car, I noticed he was still breathing a bit heavy and as we passed the hospital, which was not too far away, I told him we need to go to the ER. He refused. I insisted and still refused. Finally, I told him that since we are so close to the hospital, we can let them take a look and especially since he was actively not feeling well. He says I nagged him, but he relented. Parked the car, went through the emergency room and within an hour and a half, 2 EKGs and labs, he was admitted to ICU.
So yes he had a heart attack. The doctor said with his lack of symptoms, other than the shortness of breath (no arm gripping pain like seen in the movies), it was a silent attack. His troponin levels was 15 (normal is something like .08) that evening, 56 the next morning and now it's 13, after upping his meds and heparin drips. Other than feeling bad when he arrived at the ER, he says he feels fine. No symptoms. But he's scheduled for a triple bypass this coming week. I admit I'm batshit scared. Luckily, our son has taken off from work so I have someone with me.
So, I know that he's going to have to change his diet. He doesn't like cooked veggies, other than peas and corn. He'll eat salmon and luckily, lately he's been cutting back on his prime rib and red meat. But what can I cook for a meat and potatoes type of guy? If you have any cookbook/diet suggestions (and yes, I do plan to talk to a nutritionist) that anyone can recommend so I can start researching recipes?
Thank you!
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Post by idahopea on Aug 18, 2019 5:15:33 GMT
So glad you made him go in the hospital! You probably saved his life! Hope his surgery goes well!
Will he eat salmon?
I know this sounds crazy, but see if he will eat frozen veggies straight from the freezer. They taste different! It works with kids! I actually like many frozen veggies too. Try peas, green beans, corn, lima beans (they taste different than cooked!) and carrots to start. A small dish of frozen veggies is a great snack!
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Post by dewryce on Aug 18, 2019 6:44:12 GMT
How scary, thank goodness you listened to your gut! DH and I have been working very hard to change the way we eat for the past couple of years now and frankly, it’s miserable without his buy in. On days he just does not care he can be quite immature and stubborn about not eating his veggies. So, whatever you do, I think a huge part of the success will be based on his willingness to cooperate. For me, this means having him involved in meal planning, (not so gently) nudging him in the right direction on days he’s struggling, and knowing which days I absolutely need to drop it. It was much harder at first, he was so resistant. But once we started having some “wins” and finding new vegetables or vegetable preparations he liked that he could never stomach before it became easier. I would start with finding one or two non-starchy veggies he hates less than others and looking into healthy but tasty preparations he probably hasn’t tried before. I bet the peas would be a great resource for recipes. And I truly believe that the more you are exposed to something the more likely you are to be able to tolerate or even like it. I’m not sure if you have others living in the house, but I think that having everyone eat the same meals will be very helpful. Otherwise he might be discouraged more easily having to watch (and smell) everyone else eat what he is jonesing for but can’t eat. At least at first I’d take it out of the house if he can’t eat it, just get rid of the temptation entirely. Does he like to grill? It’s not just for red meats, and possibly a good way to get him involved. I love the flavor of grilled veggies. There are some baskets you can get for grilling them, you could try kabobs as well. Different flavored wooden boards to soak and flavor with for meats, seafood and veggies. Make it fun for him, maybe go buy some (manly) grilling tools. Williams-Sonoma is having an end of season sale on outdoor cooking items right now. I’m in Texas so there is still a lot of the year left to get this started. You can also sort of grill indoors with the right pans and techniques, and use the flavored wood planks in the oven IIRC. Does he like to cook at all? DH and I take cooking classes together, it’s a lot of fun and has made cooking together one of our “things.” His involvement will make him feel more in control, which is is probably missing right now. I’m sure he feels like his body is betraying him and is scared himself, even if he won’t admit it. His taking charge of his diet sort of puts him back in the driver’s seat, as much as possible anyway. Thinking of you and wishing for a successful surgery with a smooth recovery. |
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Post by mrst on Aug 18, 2019 7:47:12 GMT
I'm dh sorry your dh is ill and hope he makes a good recovery.
However he is not a child and if he will not eat as he needs to and as you prepare food.. Well stuff it.
He needs to take personal responsibility. Just get on with what you want to eat, offer it it him and if he dosent want it ..well, not your problem.
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Post by nlwilkins on Aug 18, 2019 9:51:36 GMT
When my husband was diagnosed with diabetes about ten or twelve years ago I decided not to be the nag and to let him know it was all on him concerning his diet. He went to the nutrition classes by himself and read up on it all he could. I was amazed at how he stepped up when I refused to do it. That man lost 30 pounds between the week before Thanksgiving and New Years. I was so proud of him.
You cannot do this for him. It would be a strain on your relationship and a battle that you would have to fight everyday. Step back and see what he does. Don't nag, just quietly try to have food in the house that is healthy. By all means, prepare healthy meals, but make him take responsibility for what he eats and take charge of his own health. The hospital might have a program for him to attend about his diet and lifestyle. Ask and see, then make sure he knows about it, but don't nag.
Many times nagging just makes a husband dig in and resist when he might have done it on his own otherwise.
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Post by Patter on Aug 18, 2019 10:08:03 GMT
So thankful you took him in. You did save his life. Maybe the seriousness of this will help him to want to change things. We have a store called The Natural Olive that sells all sorts of olive oils (many, many flavors), different flavored balsamic vinegars, and spices. We use many, many things from the store that make veggies taste amazing. For instance we use the garlic flavored olive oil and a tuscan spice tossed on broccoli. Then we cook it in the oven for 30-35 minutes at 425, and it is AMAZING. Very healthy and I literally could eat it every night. We also do it with cauliflower. They have lots of recipes at the store to help you with their various oils. They do ship but it can be costly because it's heavy. But maybe you have a store like that near you that would help him try veggies in a new way. Praying for you. I know how hard it is to wait during those heart surgeries!
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Post by jenjie on Aug 18, 2019 11:44:14 GMT
I’m so glad you insisted on going to the ER!
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Post by hannahruth on Aug 18, 2019 11:56:42 GMT
Your DH is a very lucky man and I hope he is happy that you "made" him go to the hospital.
Oh why are they so stubborn?
if someone is admitted to the heart ward in our public hospitals on discharge they are given literature including recipes and general health information following a heart attack or heart surgery.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 18, 2019 12:42:36 GMT
So thankful you took him in. You did save his life. Maybe the seriousness of this will help him to want to change things. We have a store called The Natural Olive that sells all sorts of olive oils (many, many flavors), different flavored balsamic vinegars, and spices. We use many, many things from the store that make veggies taste amazing. For instance we use the garlic flavored olive oil and a tuscan spice tossed on broccoli. Then we cook it in the oven for 30-35 minutes at 425, and it is AMAZING. Very healthy and I literally could eat it every night. We also do it with cauliflower. They have lots of recipes at the store to help you with their various oils. They do ship but it can be costly because it's heavy. But maybe you have a store like that near you that would help him try veggies in a new way. Praying for you. I know how hard it is to wait during those heart surgeries! Can I ask what kinds of spices are in the tuscan spice? I’d love to see if our local store (or Penzey’s) has a similar flavor. Have been meaning to try a great olive oil store because I am addicted to balsamic vinegar, but garlic olive oil just got added to my list! |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 18, 2019 13:20:12 GMT
I'm glad you took him in! I hope that he is on board with changing his diet. Does he smoke? If so, it obviously would be good to quit not only for his COPD but his heart. I agree with Dewryce...a big part of making the changes is for him to see the benefits. When I was growing up, I didn't have as much exposure to various fruits and veggies as I do now, but I really only liked corn (now I don't even consider that a vegetable). When I was in my 20's I started to learn more about the health benefits of vegetables and different ways to cook them, so I decided to try different foods that I thought I didn't like. Now I like most vegetables (I still hate beets and Brussels sprouts aren't my favorite).
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 18, 2019 13:32:22 GMT
I'm so glad you took him! Now it's all up to him. He needs to make the changes. We were big meat eaters and switched to weekday vegetarian diet. I build flavors with spices and we really don't miss the meat.
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Post by LisaDV on Aug 18, 2019 13:57:21 GMT
So thankful you took him in. You did save his life. Maybe the seriousness of this will help him to want to change things. We have a store called The Natural Olive that sells all sorts of olive oils (many, many flavors), different flavored balsamic vinegars, and spices. We use many, many things from the store that make veggies taste amazing. For instance we use the garlic flavored olive oil and a tuscan spice tossed on broccoli. Then we cook it in the oven for 30-35 minutes at 425, and it is AMAZING. Very healthy and I literally could eat it every night. We also do it with cauliflower. They have lots of recipes at the store to help you with their various oils. They do ship but it can be costly because it's heavy. But maybe you have a store like that near you that would help him try veggies in a new way. Praying for you. I know how hard it is to wait during those heart surgeries! Can I ask what kinds of spices are in the tuscan spice? I’d love to see if our local store (or Penzey’s) has a similar flavor. Have been meaning to try a great olive oil store because I am addicted to balsamic vinegar, but garlic olive oil just got added to my list!
DD can't do garlic but can do garlic oil. It's simple to make. It's 5-7 cloves of garlic sliced in 1 cup of oil of choice heat on low until warm. Let cool, strain. Easy peasy.
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Post by LisaDV on Aug 18, 2019 14:24:42 GMT
ToniW, you are very smart for making him go! I hope he can now appreciate that. I think dewryce said it best. Get him involved. His buy in will save your sanity. Otherwise it's just a fight. Good luck.
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Post by elaine on Aug 18, 2019 14:31:17 GMT
I’m so glad you brought him in! You are a literal lifesaver. dewryce has some great advice. I’d also second people who have mentioned roasting and/or grilling vegetables. It completely changes how they taste, IMO, and I can get my kids to eat any vegetable that has been roasted. You can also try spiralizing veggies. I make a cold sesame noodle salad using zucchini noodles and my family doesn’t know I haven’t used pasta unless I tell them. Oven roasted sweet potato or beet noodles then tossed with a light olive oil dressing are also a hit. Other fish that he might like are trout - which is actually the same fish family as salmon, and Mahi Mahi - which has a texture similar to steak. You might want to try flounder too. You can grill trout and/or Mahi Mahi, and bake or pan fry flounder and/or trout and use a flavorful sauce. Many people - NOT ALL (before the fish haters jump on me) - don’t like fish because they haven’t tried much fish and/or they haven’t had fish that has been well prepared. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:51:31 GMT
As others have said you saved your DH's life.
As for meat and potatoes he is going to have to change. The only thing you can do to support his dietary changes is to experiment and try different recipes that are more heart-healthy. You can read any one of the diet books out there but if you take is easy on you both and make changes to one meal a day that will be a great start.
Breakfast - exchange eggs for egg whites. Eat more oatmeal. Add fruit to the side.
Lunch - cut out the deli lunch meat, fast food, or hamburgers. Eat a salad. Watch the dressings and croutons
Dinner - Fish, beans, soups, etc.
If you really want a book to get started with I would recommend The Blue Zones. It will give you the 10,000 foot view of why we are where we are today, what healthy habits need to be incorporated into our lives, and has quite a few recipes to boot. I a great springboard for life changes like nutrition.
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Post by mustlovecats on Aug 18, 2019 15:01:56 GMT
We used the Mayo Clinic heart healthy cookbook when a family member had quad bypass and needed to adopt a better diet.
My advice is try different vegetables cooked different ways. Just because he doesn’t like them now doesn’t mean he can’t. Roast broccoli or make green beans country style with a smidge of bacon or try sautéing spinach with garlic. Just keep trying. My husband wouldn’t eat most vegetables beyond peas and corn when we got married and now will eat broccoli, green beans, carrots, and cabbage.
A piece of unsolicited advice about the bypass operation. When he comes out of surgery and is in CVICU they will probably keep him sedated and he will be on more machines than you have probably ever seen in your life. The first hours post surgery may feel upsetting, but within those first days he should improve rapidly. So take a deep breath when they take you in to see him after surgery because it may be difficult. This advice was given to me many years ago and it was the best advice I got in the whole experience because it prepared me for what was coming up. This is miracle surgery but there will be a moment where it gets worse before it gets better. We are 6 years out and I hope for your family that there are healthier days to come!
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Post by ToniW on Aug 18, 2019 15:08:21 GMT
Thanks everyone for your suggestion. I pretty much crashed after posting last night and now just getting back on line.
Funny, lately I had been telling him to eat his veggies and he'd make a show of eating one piece of veggie. Silly guy! At least he'll eat salads but not with everything in it. Anyway, as you said, maybe he'll get better in his food choices. There are things he won't eat like beets or yam (and others!) but I think he will slowly come around. Last night he was reading up on bypass and watching videos. Just hope diets will be on his reading list.... Oh, he does eat salmon, not really a noodle guy and he will eat fruits.
LoouLoou, I'll check out that book. Thanks and thanks for the food suggestions!!!
Headed back to the hospital as soon as I gather up his ditty bag and toothbrush. Any more books especially recipe book suggestions would be a great start for me. I'll check back when I can.
Thank you, everyone!!
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Post by peaname on Aug 18, 2019 15:14:13 GMT
My thoughts are with you. How scary. I hope he is sufficiently scared by this and makes a major dietary change. Once he does his taste will change and he will get to the point where he loves vegetables.
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Post by ToniW on Aug 18, 2019 15:15:21 GMT
We used the Mayo Clinic heart healthy cookbook when a family member had quad bypass and needed to adopt a better diet. My advice is try different vegetables cooked different ways. Just because he doesn’t like them now doesn’t mean he can’t. Roast broccoli or make green beans country style with a smidge of bacon or try sautéing spinach with garlic. Just keep trying. My husband wouldn’t eat most vegetables beyond peas and corn when we got married and now will eat broccoli, green beans, carrots, and cabbage. A piece of unsolicited advice about the bypass operation. When he comes out of surgery and is in CVICU they will probably keep him sedated and he will be on more machines than you have probably ever seen in your life. The first hours post surgery may feel upsetting, but within those first days he should improve rapidly. So take a deep breath when they take you in to see him after surgery because it may be difficult. This advice was given to me many years ago and it was the best advice I got in the whole experience because it prepared me for what was coming up. This is miracle surgery but there will be a moment where it gets worse before it gets better. We are 6 years out and I hope for your family that there are healthier days to come! Thank you, mustlovecats! A very good reminder. I'll have to remember that and warn my son and whoever is with me. We both work in medical facilities (me, just retired, oncology office and he in security in a large hospital) but it doesn't mean we've seen it all. A lot, but not that in particular. I'll check out the cookbook as well. Thanks again!!
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Post by Merge on Aug 18, 2019 15:34:42 GMT
Well, I’m going to recommend a mostly whole foods, plant-based diet, which is in line with what most doctors are recommending as well these days. I recommend the Forks Over Knives website to get started. They have a lot of dishes that use familiar flavors, and are high in protein, without animal products. Your DH can do what mine does, which is to have a small portion of chicken or fish on the side (very occasionally - like every other month - he has a small portion of grass-fed steak). Make meat an accompaniment rather than the main course.
Please also make sure that you’re eating seasonally as much as possible. Plants taste better when they’re picked at ripeness and sold immediately, rather than being shipped halfway around the world to accommodate Americans who want fresh tomatoes in February. Your DH may find that veggies taste better than he remembers if they’re fresh. And I agree with others that trying a variety of preparations and seasonings is key. Roasted veggies with a “cheesy” sauce made of plants are the bomb.
I’m glad you insisted on him going to the hospital, and wish you both the very best in this big change.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 18, 2019 18:50:39 GMT
Wow, you probably saved his life. Others have been more eloquent than I but may I add some resources if you want them. I am with @merge on trying to achieve a wholefood, plant based lifestyle. My recommendations for reading would be Dr Esselstyn Caldwell's book How to prevent and reverse heart disease and Dr Michael Greger's book How not to Die. Your husband may not be willing to make the changes these doctors say can save his life but worth reading after you have watched the Forks Over Knives documentary, available free on Amazon Prime and Netflix. Any change is beneficial, for some baby steps work better that diving in at the deep end and for others a cold-turkey approach is the way to go. I hope he is scared enough to make some serious decisions to change his lifestyle for the better. And I will pray for strength for both of you as you move forward. |
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Post by Patter on Aug 18, 2019 19:04:05 GMT
So thankful you took him in. You did save his life. Maybe the seriousness of this will help him to want to change things. We have a store called The Natural Olive that sells all sorts of olive oils (many, many flavors), different flavored balsamic vinegars, and spices. We use many, many things from the store that make veggies taste amazing. For instance we use the garlic flavored olive oil and a tuscan spice tossed on broccoli. Then we cook it in the oven for 30-35 minutes at 425, and it is AMAZING. Very healthy and I literally could eat it every night. We also do it with cauliflower. They have lots of recipes at the store to help you with their various oils. They do ship but it can be costly because it's heavy. But maybe you have a store like that near you that would help him try veggies in a new way. Praying for you. I know how hard it is to wait during those heart surgeries! Can I ask what kinds of spices are in the tuscan spice? I’d love to see if our local store (or Penzey’s) has a similar flavor. Have been meaning to try a great olive oil store because I am addicted to balsamic vinegar, but garlic olive oil just got added to my list! Unfortunately they don't give all of the ingredients. They give some and then list "spices."  But you can order online. Here is the link if you want to look: the-natural-olive.myshopify.com/products/tuscan-farmhouse-blend |
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 18, 2019 19:18:25 GMT
I highly recommend www.thugkitchen.com/. I have one of their cookbooks and have tried several recipes from the website. It's plant-based and I seriously don't miss meat when I use their recipes. I will be keeping him in my prayers as he recovers and finds a new way of life. |
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 18, 2019 20:22:56 GMT
DH's heart attack was the same, just intermittent shortness of breath. His oncology nurse sent him to ER when he called.
He received nutritional counseling during his cardiac rehab. That really helped him.
Best wishes for his upcoming surgery.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 18, 2019 23:28:22 GMT
Wow, you probably saved his life. Others have been more eloquent than I but may I add some resources if you want them. I am with @merge on trying to achieve a wholefood, plant based lifestyle. My recommendations for reading would be Dr Esselstyn Caldwell's book How to prevent and reverse heart disease and Dr Michael Greger's book How not to Die. Your husband may not be willing to make the changes these doctors say can save his life but worth reading after you have watched the Forks Over Knives documentary, available free on Amazon Prime and Netflix. Any change is beneficial, for some baby steps work better that diving in at the deep end and for others a cold-turkey approach is the way to go. I hope he is scared enough to make some serious decisions to change his lifestyle for the better. And I will pray for strength for both of you as you move forward. I agree with this and Merge's post 100%. The best diet of cardiovascular health is a whole foods, plant based diet. It is best for many health reasons and watching the "Forks Over Knives" documentary will teach you things about food and health in an entertaining way without any traumatizing images of animals in pain-so you don't have to worry about that part. I would recommend that you watch this first ToniW (watch it later with your DH) and then get the book called "The Forks Over Knives Plan" -it's $10.43 at Amazon. It's wonderful because it takes you step by step through the first month of transitioning to this new diet. The website forksoverknives.com is full of helpful information and if you look under News Feed and then Success Stories there are a lot of inspirational stories of people who have done this plan and what happened. About vegetables-most of us who don't like vegetables remember the vegetables our mothers cooked for us. Canned vegetables that were boiled on the stove. Yuck! I don't like those either. The whole foods, plant based diet uses a lot of fresh produce in their cooking and doesn't use any oil at all (oil is considered a very high calorie product-if you want the nutrients in olive oil eat an olive). We saute with water and the result is really fresh tasting food (vegetables in this case) that taste amazing and aren't covered in oil like an oil slick. You can add all kinds of seasoning. Give it a chance and most people love this kind of cuisine. And it's not all vegetables either! We eat whole grains (whole wheat spaghetti tastes incredible), beans (legumes), fruit, and tubers (potatoes). While that seems like a small list it's enough that tons of recipes have been invented to fill 3 Forks Over Knives recipe books and so many more recipes on the websites. I've been following this diet for the past 5 1/2 years. My asthma completely vanished when I stopped dairy. I had a blood cardiovascular test called a HS CRP the last time I had blood work done. It measures cardiovascular risk. 1.0-3.0 is average. 3.0-10.0 is higher relative risk. I got a 0.2! Next to it is written Out of Range. That makes me believe this whole foods, plant based diet is working. I'm 59. If you read the success stories at the website you'll see it worked for a lot of other people too. |
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 18, 2019 23:35:50 GMT
birukitty that is amazing. Well done!!! Can i Ask, do you eat Tahini?
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Post by birukitty on Aug 19, 2019 0:10:07 GMT
birukitty that is amazing. Well done!!! Can i Ask, do you eat Tahini? Not really but I do use tahini in a "Forks Over Knives" recipe for a "no tuna, tuna salad" that tastes amazing. It uses garbanzo beans (or chick peas) and dill pickles, tahini, capers (which I didn't use to like but in this recipe they really work), and some other ingredients I don't remember right now. |
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Post by ToniW on Aug 19, 2019 0:51:39 GMT
Thanks again! Looks like I have a few books to check out. The surgeon saw him this morning and will do a double bypass, triple if it looks like it's needed. The surgery is scheduled for tomorrow afternoon at 1 (if all goes well with the surgery before him) so if you have a moment, a little prayer and I know the power of the peas would be very much appreciated.
I'll update when I can.
Thanks to you all!
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Post by dewryce on Aug 19, 2019 1:04:52 GMT
Can I ask what kinds of spices are in the tuscan spice? I’d love to see if our local store (or Penzey’s) has a similar flavor. Have been meaning to try a great olive oil store because I am addicted to balsamic vinegar, but garlic olive oil just got added to my list! Unfortunately they don't give all of the ingredients. They give some and then list "spices." But you can order online. Here is the link if you want to look: the-natural-olive.myshopify.com/products/tuscan-farmhouse-blendThank you! It looks amazing and I was ready to order until I saw a mention of the bell peppers. I have a serious aversion to their taste. How strong is that particular flavor? Not really but I do use tahini in a "Forks Over Knives" recipe for a "no tuna, tuna salad" that tastes amazing. It uses garbanzo beans (or chick peas) and dill pickles, tahini, capers (which I didn't use to like but in this recipe they really work), and some other ingredients I don't remember right now. There is a similar recipe I really enjoy from Isa Chicky Tuna Salad Sandwiches. BFF adds garlic powder, pickle juice, sometimes capers, and dill. So good! That’s a blog with the recipe, not hers, but it looks right. |
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 19, 2019 4:23:06 GMT
birukitty that is amazing. Well done!!! Can i Ask, do you eat Tahini? Not really but I do use tahini in a "Forks Over Knives" recipe for a "no tuna, tuna salad" that tastes amazing. It uses garbanzo beans (or chick peas) and dill pickles, tahini, capers (which I didn't use to like but in this recipe they really work), and some other ingredients I don't remember right now. I found that recipe. Will be trying it out this week. Thanks |
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But you can order online. Here is the link if you want to look:
