conchita
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Post by conchita on Oct 13, 2014 0:13:12 GMT
We've got soldiers in Africa right now helping out. There are also more soldiers currently receiving training and will be joining the effort soon. As capable as our guys are I still am concerned for their safety. I read an article that German soldiers were promised they'd be brought back to their homeland for care if any contracted the virus but now they're retracting that promise saying they're unable to follow through.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 13, 2014 0:22:21 GMT
We've got soldiers in Africa right now helping out. There are also more soldiers currently receiving training and will be joining the effort soon. As capable as our guys are I still am concerned for their safety. I read an article that German soldiers were promised they'd be brought back to their homeland for care if any contracted the virus but now they're retracting that promise saying they're unable to follow through. I am worried for our servicemen too |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 13, 2014 1:46:21 GMT
I've been off the grid this weekend, and just read this news. My heart goes out for the nurse and her family. How horrible!
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 13, 2014 3:01:58 GMT
Obviously I wasn't there, but I admit to being confused by it. She was sick enough with Ebola to die from it. How could those symptoms be confused with pregnancy issues? You usually don't have fever, vomiting, diarrhea, etc just from a pregnancy issue. I think we all need to stop judging this from our first world perspective. These people don't have access to news. There are no press conferences informing the general public about the symptoms of Ebola or the state of the epidemic. There's very little medical care. There's no ambulances. There are very few doctors and very few hospitals. Some of the people there legitimately do not know what Ebola is or how it spreads. They don't know much about pregnancy, either. Especially a man in a third world country would not know anything about pregnancy. just because you, in your first world life, think that you could tell the difference between pregnancy complications and Ebola does not mean that a person from a third world country could. He was educated, had facebook and a smartphone (Internet) I doubt he was clueless as to what Ebola was. I agree we need to stop outbreak in Africa, but that is not happening. Need to keep people from entering this country until they are symptom free for 21 days (quarantine) only way we will keep it from here. Just a few short weeks ago the president said he and the cdc agree that very unlikely we would get any cases here. Oops, I don't trust our govt or cdc to keep us safe! |
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 13, 2014 3:07:44 GMT
Can I say I am more worried about Ebola than I have ever been of H1N1, mass shootings, terrorists or ISIS. This threat is real to me. I really don't understand being so afraid of it. It isn't airborne, isn't easily caught. Unless you have direct contact with an actively sick Ebola patient your chances are pretty much zero. While H1N1 is much more easily spread and look at how few contracted it. I understand and wanting to be cautious but this is not some huge risk like some are making it out to be. It just isn't. Almost 40,000 die in this country alone from the flu per year. Only 4000 have died from Ebola worldwide this year. I hope you are correct. |
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Post by myshelly on Oct 13, 2014 3:10:11 GMT
In local news
The Dallas Police Department went door to door in a 4 mile radius of the nurse's home to give out flyers with info on Ebola and issued reverse 911 calls for the neighborhood. The 4 mile radius includes bars, restaurants, and a school.
Why would they need to go door to door for FOUR miles in every direction?
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 13, 2014 3:10:55 GMT
I'm not angry with Duncan. If it hadn't been him it would have been someone else. The solution to global spread is not to catch individuals who have been exposed before reaching the US. Screening is not going to be the solution. The solution is to get the outbreak under control so that it won't reach the US or anywhere else. as long as it is spreading rampant anywhere, it is only a plane ride away from everywhere else. I agree. If we had been more proactive on helping the countries dealing with this virus instead of ignoring it and acting like 'it will never make it this far' we wouldn't be in this position now. But it is so typical of Americans to be selfish and only think of themselves and not acknowledge that when we help everyone, we are in turn helping ourselves. Seriously? Who do you think sends doctors, supplies, aid workers? The US does. West Africa has not done enough to contain. This is not on America! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 3:15:00 GMT
I agree. If we had been more proactive on helping the countries dealing with this virus instead of ignoring it and acting like 'it will never make it this far' we wouldn't be in this position now. But it is so typical of Americans to be selfish and only think of themselves and not acknowledge that when we help everyone, we are in turn helping ourselves. Seriously? Who do you think sends doctors, supplies, aid workers? The US does. West Africa has not done enough to contain. This is not on America! West Africa does not have the resources to contain it. Not even close. And many countries are helping. Not just the US. People need to remember there is a huge difference in third world countries vs our lives. |
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Oct 13, 2014 3:20:10 GMT
In local news The Dallas Police Department went door to door in a 4 mile radius of the nurse's home to give out flyers with info on Ebola and issued reverse 911 calls for the neighborhood. The 4 mile radius includes bars, restaurants, and a school. Why would they need to go door to door for FOUR miles in every direction? Because it's highly contagious, and they need to educate everyone. |
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 13, 2014 3:21:58 GMT
I really don't understand being so afraid of it. It isn't airborne, isn't easily caught. Unless you have direct contact with an actively sick Ebola patient your chances are pretty much zero. While H1N1 is much more easily spread and look at how few contracted it. I understand and wanting to be cautious but this is not some huge risk like some are making it out to be. It just isn't. Almost 40,000 die in this country alone from the flu per year. Only 4000 have died from Ebola worldwide this year. yeah, but h1n1 doesn't kill most people it affects. Sure you feel like shit, but you don't bleed out all of u our orifices or have your organs cooked to mush. Flu deaths are typically the old, the very young or those with chronic issuez. In fact, 90% of flu related deaths are in people 65 or older. Ebola takes healthy people and kills them. The mortality rate of this strain of Ebola is 60%. Ebola Zaire, the strain from the 80s or 90s had a 90% motality rate. The flu infects 5 million or more each, 50,000 die. That is a mortality rate of .01%. Ebola is more deadly than flu. Even this entovirus 68. But what is more concerning is that people treat this like they do a political issue...we'll you are more likely to get the flu...we'll bush did this, Clinton did that. It isn't a competition. Ebola is deadly and shouldn't be scoffed at. I am worried about this, but if you want to get really freaked out imagine a flu with a 60% mortality rate. Not sure what the Spanish flu of 1918 had, influenza is the really scary stuff! What is scary about this is how long the outbreak has gone on. In previous outbreaks it has burned out fast because contained to small villages. This one got out and it seems no govt is willing to do what it will take to stop the spread, which gives this more time to mutate which is never good! |
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Post by myshelly on Oct 13, 2014 3:24:04 GMT
In local news The Dallas Police Department went door to door in a 4 mile radius of the nurse's home to give out flyers with info on Ebola and issued reverse 911 calls for the neighborhood. The 4 mile radius includes bars, restaurants, and a school. Why would they need to go door to door for FOUR miles in every direction? Because it's a highly contagious, and they need to educate everyone. But that seems to be the opposite of what the CDC has been telling us thus far. |
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 13, 2014 3:33:42 GMT
So there is another suspected case in Boston. A man who traveled here from Liberia. And the CDC is saying there was a "breach" in protocol in the Dallas case...but they don't know what the breach was. How do they know it was a "breach" if they don't know what the "breach" was? That is my point. They (govt cdc) keep touting things as fact, but they don't know. I am worried, but not panicked. I worry about all the illness, Isis etc but I live my life. I wash my hands and do my best to avoid sickness. If one of my healthcare worker friends/family treated an Ebola patient I would stay away from them for 21 days. |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 13, 2014 3:35:41 GMT
Where do the health care workers go, because while I love my husband, I would not want him coming home for the 21 days until he was symptom free.
And is it exactly 21 days. Is it possible 21 days and 8 hours? How firm is that 21 days?
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Oct 13, 2014 3:36:11 GMT
In my opinion, actions speak louder than words. They can say Ebola is hard to catch and not very contagious all day, but when they disinfect everything she ever touched, incinerate belongings, and call residents and go door-to-door in a 4 mile radius, what do you believe?
I trust that this will be contained, but I'm also aware the threat is real. I'm just paying very close attention.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 13, 2014 7:49:25 GMT
We've got soldiers in Africa right now helping out. There are also more soldiers currently receiving training and will be joining the effort soon. As capable as our guys are I still am concerned for their safety. I read an article that German soldiers were promised they'd be brought back to their homeland for care if any contracted the virus but now they're retracting that promise saying they're unable to follow through. Sorry, but this makes it sound as though Germany has now decided that it does not want their military back on German soil if they contract Ebola! There is a lot more to this story than said here! It has been reported that it would be difficult for Germany itself to evacuate military or volunteers for treatment because they have a Medevac 'plane but it is not equipped to be able to quarantine an infected person and modifications could not be done quickly. Apparently, this stems from a defence report submitted to the German parliament because of some problems arising with their aircraft recently. |
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2014 8:17:40 GMT
yeah, but h1n1 doesn't kill most people it affects. Sure you feel like shit, but you don't bleed out all of u our orifices or have your organs cooked to mush. Flu deaths are typically the old, the very young or those with chronic issuez. In fact, 90% of flu related deaths are in people 65 or older. Ebola takes healthy people and kills them. The mortality rate of this strain of Ebola is 60%. Ebola Zaire, the strain from the 80s or 90s had a 90% motality rate. The flu infects 5 million or more each, 50,000 die. That is a mortality rate of .01%. Ebola is more deadly than flu. Even this entovirus 68. But what is more concerning is that people treat this like they do a political issue...we'll you are more likely to get the flu...we'll bush did this, Clinton did that. It isn't a competition. Ebola is deadly and shouldn't be scoffed at. I am worried about this, but if you want to get really freaked out imagine a flu with a 60% mortality rate. Not sure what the Spanish flu of 1918 had, influenza is the really scary stuff! What is scary about this is how long the outbreak has gone on. In previous outbreaks it has burned out fast because contained to small villages. This one got out and it seems no govt is willing to do what it will take to stop the spread, which gives this more time to mutate which is never good! Actually practically every government involved is doing it's upmost to stop it's spread. Now that may not be what *you* consider it should be doing but that's a different point. |
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 13, 2014 8:31:53 GMT
I agree. If we had been more proactive on helping the countries dealing with this virus instead of ignoring it and acting like 'it will never make it this far' we wouldn't be in this position now. But it is so typical of Americans to be selfish and only think of themselves and not acknowledge that when we help everyone, we are in turn helping ourselves. Seriously? Who do you think sends doctors, supplies, aid workers? The US does. West Africa has not done enough to contain. This is not on America! Just a point regarding your statement above, the US is not the only country to send doctors, aid workers and supplies to this region! Some medical charities, doctors and nurses and volunteer medics from around the world, including Cuba, China, UK, European countries and many more, have been in Liberia and surrounding areas for months now and some new places for treating Ebola victims have already been built along with health education and treatment and aid being given. For instance, the UK's Save the Children charity has been on the ground in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia since the crisis began along with many other UK and international charities and organisations. Many more teams and military are heading there any time now from countries around the world! West Africa has done what it could to stem this virus but this is the worst outbreak of Ebola ever, with Liberia hardest hit. Liberia just hasn't sat back and done nothing, they have been treating their people but with so many victims they just haven't been able to cope with their limited resources. They have tried to the best of their ability, all things considered, and I think it is unfair and unjust of you to suggest otherwise. |
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2014 8:41:13 GMT
Thanks for typing all that Barbara - I started to but couldn't be bothered to say it all again to be honest.
Did you hear about the test kit breakthrough? Researchers from the south have developed a new test kit with dry components that is easily transported as it doesn't need refridgeration to test for Ebola and which gives results in 90 mins. This could be a huge help in containing this outbreak.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 13, 2014 9:01:22 GMT
Just read your comment regarding the test kit on the other thread gar and was wondering about it because I hadn't heard about it until then. So pleased you explained it here because I was going to try to find it afterwards!  I agree with you, this test kit could be a huge help in this outbreak - a great development....and the fact that it gives the result in 90 minutes will cut to almost nothing the present delays in getting a test result! |
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2014 9:05:29 GMT
I think there are a lot of different drugs, treatments etc being fast-tracked as we speak. A friend of mine is involved in testing a vaccine in Oxford. The race is on the get vaccines, treatment etc out there where they're needed and every advance is a help. This testing breakthrough has come out of Southampton so was on my ITV local news.
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Post by wellway on Oct 13, 2014 9:09:31 GMT
I think there are a lot of different drugs, treatments etc being fast-tracked as we speak. A friend of mine is involved in testing a vaccine in Oxford. The race is on the get vaccines, treatment etc out there where they're needed and every advance is a help. This testing breakthrough has come out of Southampton so was on my ITV local news. I saw that report too. Faster results would be very good news, can't find a written report posted yet. Liked that it can be used in the field without the need for special storage and could be transported in jeeps. |
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2014 9:11:01 GMT
I agree. If we had been more proactive on helping the countries dealing with this virus instead of ignoring it and acting like 'it will never make it this far' we wouldn't be in this position now. But it is so typical of Americans to be selfish and only think of themselves and not acknowledge that when we help everyone, we are in turn helping ourselves. Seriously? Who do you think sends doctors, supplies, aid workers? The US does. West Africa has not done enough to contain. This is not on America! *sigh* You're right, it's not on America, which is why dozens, seriously dozens, of other countries are heavily involved in doing whatever they can, as fast as possible, to halt the spread of ebola. It's global and so is the response. Would you, as one of the richest and most advanced countries in the world prefer to sit back and watch as third world countries tackled it alone? I wouldn't and the UK is right there in the front line helping - because we can. |
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 13, 2014 9:17:41 GMT
Ahh, that why I couldn't find anything when I did a very quick search! Probably won't be long now before it hits the national news and media.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 9:55:23 GMT
Here's a link to the testing you are referring to Barbara and Gar. It was posted on Science Daily three days ago. fast simple diagnostic testingHgh-tech British company Primerdesign Ltd, a spin-off company from the University of Southampton, has developed a fast and simple diagnostic test solution specific to the 2014 Ebola outbreak.
With the current epidemic of Ebola virus in West Africa, Primerdesign are racing to provide an easy-to-use, affordable solution for screening suspect Ebola patients.
"Accurate diagnostics is essential in controlling an outbreak like Ebola. There is an urgent need for rapid testing to screen suspected patients and people travelling in and out of the region," explains Dr Jim Wicks, Managing Director of Primerdesign. "Our test is quick, affordable and easy to perform," he adds.
The kit detects the DNA finger print of the Ebola Virus. It means that even minute quantities of the disease can be detected in the early stages allowing for pre-emptive healthcare intervention.
Primerdesign Ltd, which is part of the university business incubator collaboration SETsquared, has finished development work in the last few days and is meeting with the World Health Organisation to discuss plans to possibly put large numbers of these tests in to the front line in West Africa as quickly as possible.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 13, 2014 10:06:40 GMT
Thanks a lot for the link @dottyscrapper |
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2014 10:07:00 GMT
Thanks @dottyscrapper  |
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Post by conchita on Oct 13, 2014 15:08:02 GMT
We've got soldiers in Africa right now helping out. There are also more soldiers currently receiving training and will be joining the effort soon. As capable as our guys are I still am concerned for their safety. I read an article that German soldiers were promised they'd be brought back to their homeland for care if any contracted the virus but now they're retracting that promise saying they're unable to follow through. Sorry, but this makes it sound as though Germany has now decided that it does not want their military back on German soil if they contract Ebola! There is a lot more to this story than said here! It has been reported that it would be difficult for Germany itself to evacuate military or volunteers for treatment because they have a Medevac 'plane but it is not equipped to be able to quarantine an infected person and modifications could not be done quickly. Apparently, this stems from a defence report submitted to the German parliament because of some problems arising with their aircraft recently. That isn't at all what I was inferring in my response. What I said was that they sent their soldiers in promising them one thing and now that they're deployed they are unable to follow through in their original promise to bring them back to their homeland for care. My point being that I am concerned for our soldiers *as well as the many other soldiers* that are deployed in that region. The conversation in this thread evolved into who should and should not be worried about Ebola. I wanted to broaden the scope of that conversation by including the soldiers that are already in that area with more to follow. I know several soldiers who are currently in training and will be joining the effort over there soon. So while I personally am not afraid of contracting Ebola I am concerned for those soldiers and their families. It's concerning on a broader level because we have veterans in our country who have served on various missions with the promise of medical care and our country is not taking care of them. |
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 13, 2014 15:08:02 GMT
Seriously? Who do you think sends doctors, supplies, aid workers? The US does. West Africa has not done enough to contain. This is not on America! Just a point regarding your statement above, the US is not the only country to send doctors, aid workers and supplies to this region! Some medical charities, doctors and nurses and volunteer medics from around the world, including Cuba, China, UK, European countries and many more, have been in Liberia and surrounding areas for months now and some new places for treating Ebola victims have already been built along with health education and treatment and aid being given. For instance, the UK's Save the Children charity has been on the ground in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia since the crisis began along with many other UK and international charities and organisations. Many more teams and military are heading there any time now from countries around the world! West Africa has done what it could to stem this virus but this is the worst outbreak of Ebola ever, with Liberia hardest hit. Liberia just hasn't sat back and done nothing, they have been treating their people but with so many victims they just haven't been able to cope with their limited resources. They have tried to the best of their ability, all things considered, and I think it is unfair and unjust of you to suggest otherwise. I was responding to someone who blamed the Ebola crisis on America. I realize many nations have helped, but America is always there and involved. We are not selfish as that poster suggested. |
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