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Post by busy on Aug 24, 2019 0:04:35 GMT
They're are bigger problems with a child molester than gender whatever. I'm with the ones with zero fucks. I don't think you can rehab someone that sick. Just my two cents So don’t even try to protect potential future victims? Just shrug and let them out at the end of their sentence without even trying to rehabilitate?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 0:10:00 GMT
Good!!!
As a taxpayer I don't want to pay for ICBMs or tons of other DOD SH#$*!
I'd rather pay to try to make someone live in peace as a responsible citizen when they get out of jail than for another in the overabundant stack of missiles, tanks, arms, subs, fighters, etc.
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Post by smcast on Aug 24, 2019 0:10:55 GMT
They're are bigger problems with a child molester than gender whatever. I'm with the ones with zero fucks. I don't think you can rehab someone that sick. Just my two cents So don’t even try to protect potential future victims? Just shrug and let them out at the end of their sentence without even trying to rehabilitate? What I'd do isn't acceptable so it's a moot point. I wouldn't be happy about putting tax dollars towards the surgery. That was the premise of the post.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 24, 2019 0:25:07 GMT
This is an it not a man or woman and deserves a dog cage and not a boob job because she’s misunderstood. Child molesters are not rehabilitated and I am the most trans rights supporting person but this bitch can rot in prison as a man. Feel free to put me on ignore if I offend you. I never forgive and forget about forgetting.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 24, 2019 0:34:13 GMT
This is an it not a man or woman and deserves a dog cage and not a boob job because she’s misunderstood. Child molesters are not rehabilitated and I am the most trans rights supporting person but this bitch can rot in prison as a man. Feel free to put me on ignore if I offend you. I never forgive and forget about forgetting. I understand that you are upset about this particular person, this child molester, and I get that. But your comments “this is an it” and “not a boob job because she’s misunderstood” are offensive across the board and I’m not going to be silent about it and just put you on ignore.
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Post by busy on Aug 24, 2019 0:43:06 GMT
This is an it not a man or woman and deserves a dog cage and not a boob job because she’s misunderstood. This is a disgusting thing to say. Period. You should be ashamed.
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Post by mustlovecats on Aug 24, 2019 0:43:09 GMT
I do believe that trans women belong in a women's prison. Maybe if you are pre-surgery trans woman don't get thrown into prison in the first place. I agree, but since she is already there it seems like maybe they could deal with it in a better way. They must have solitary that isn’t an extra punishment type of situation. My college friend is a supervisor at a large state facility in Pennsylvania. We have talked about this before and she says that most larger facilities have a unit where trans people and other sensitive populations can be placed together. I would argue that transferring inmates to those facilities would be a good solution, it would create a safer prison environment for trans inmates and allow them to be with others who share their identity. The purpose in doing something like this is not segregation, it is to put together people with shared concerns and the staff can have more extensive training on their specific groups. Most prisons already do some variation on this in house, I would think it would be feasible to assign trans inmates to a facility together. Perhaps this is running afoul of anti discrimination law but that would be my proposed solution.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 24, 2019 0:47:59 GMT
This is an it not a man or woman and deserves a dog cage and not a boob job because she’s misunderstood. This is a disgusting thing to say. Period. You should be ashamed. I stand by my comment. Child molesters and murderers can rot in cages.
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Post by busy on Aug 24, 2019 0:50:54 GMT
This is a disgusting thing to say. Period. You should be ashamed. I stand by my comment. Child molesters and murderers can rot in cages. You’ll notice that the part I quoted is you referring to a trans woman as an “it.” Don’t bother claiming you’re a trans rights supporter.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 24, 2019 0:56:25 GMT
I stand by my comment. Child molesters and murderers can rot in cages. You’ll notice that the part I quoted is you referring to a trans woman as an “it.” Don’t bother claiming you’re a trans rights supporter. A child molester is a child mester. Clearly your friends have never been abused. She is doing this to get sympathy. I do not support this for of any rights. Child molesters have no rights.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 24, 2019 0:57:59 GMT
I stand by my comment. Child molesters and murderers can rot in cages. You’ll notice that the part I quoted is you referring to a trans woman as an “it.” Don’t bother claiming you’re a trans rights supporter. she’s not in prison for being TRANS she’s incarcerated for being a child molester. You must support this type of behaviour. You scare me.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 24, 2019 1:01:15 GMT
This is a disgusting thing to say. Period. You should be ashamed. I stand by my comment. Child molesters and murderers can rot in cages. But that’s not all you said. Your offensive “it” and “boob job” comments hurts transgender persons. They are human, and don’t deserve to be offended with your flippant choice of words.
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Post by busy on Aug 24, 2019 1:03:07 GMT
You’ll notice that the part I quoted is you referring to a trans woman as an “it.” Don’t bother claiming you’re a trans rights supporter. she’s not in prison for being TRANS she’s incarcerated for being a child molester. You must support this type of behaviour. You scare me. Are you fucking kidding? Go to hell. I have zero tolerance for what she did. It's disgusting and reprehensible and she deserves to be in prison for it. But she is still a human and ALL humans deserve a baseline of respect in my opinion. And calling someone an "it" because of their identity is below that baseline of respect.
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Post by Merge on Aug 24, 2019 1:05:27 GMT
While I have mixed feelings about this case, I’d point out that whatever this surgery costs will be a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the billions we spend on incarcerating Americans each year. It’s a very rare case. If we’re talking poor use of tax dollars, I’d rather we focus on the money we spend incarcerating people for nonviolent drug-related crimes than get fixated on one, rare case. Merge, don't go talking sensible, now. Why start now? 😂
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 24, 2019 1:06:27 GMT
I stand by my comment. Child molesters and murderers can rot in cages. But that’s not all you said. Your offensive “it” and “boob job” comments hurts transgender persons. They are human, and don’t deserve to be offended with your flippant choice of words. child molesters are child molesters. You can put lipstick on a pig and it doesn’t stop being an animal. Would you honestly forgive this woman if they had harmed your child? I am bowing out. For the record I do not support incarcerated CHILDMolesting trans people getting gender reassignment surgery. I am out. You can hate me all you like.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 24, 2019 1:09:55 GMT
You’ll notice that the part I quoted is you referring to a trans woman as an “it.” Don’t bother claiming you’re a trans rights supporter. she’s not in prison for being TRANS she’s incarcerated for being a child molester. You must support this type of behaviour. You scare me. You need to stop. You’re becoming unhinged and nasty for YOUR own choice of words. Not one of the people you’re being an asshole to said anything about supporting child molesters. And just a fact sweetie, yes they do have rights in prison. Your OPINION that they don’t isn’t a legal argument. YOUR flippant comments (“it” and “boob job”) ARE insulting to trans people—one of my immediate family is trans and IT IS OFFENSIVE.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 24, 2019 1:12:33 GMT
But that’s not all you said. Your offensive “it” and “boob job” comments hurts transgender persons. They are human, and don’t deserve to be offended with your flippant choice of words. child molesters are child molesters. You can put lipstick on a pig and it doesn’t stop being an animal. Would you honestly forgive this woman if they had harmed your child? I am bowing out. For the record I do not support incarcerated CHILDMolesting trans people getting gender reassignment surgery. I am out. You can hate me all you like. You have s serious reading comprehension problem. And while myself and at least one other has pointed out exactly what you said that is offensive, you keep responding with something that wasn’t being challenged. And to answer you in your assholian response to me—go back and read what I said about child molesters.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 24, 2019 1:15:37 GMT
But are people who molest children, even mentally healthy in the first place? I'd argue it takes someone who is not the least bit mentally healthy to do that. So you want to make them even worse before they re-enter society? Absolutely not. I didn’t say that at all. I posed a theoretical question to your post (evidently i didn’t make that clear enough, lol), wondering how much worse their mental health could get to start with, seeing as they already think that it’s ok to molest children. I don’t know how much the recidivism rate of child molesters has to do with it possibly being a mental condition that can’t be effectively treated or cured, or if it’s something that can be rehabilitated effectively and isn’t being effectively currently, you know? If it can be, of course that should be a huge part of part of their incarceration, because of course it’s true that if they’ve been given a sentence that they’re means they’re going to be released at some point, the focus absolutely should be on what happens once they’re out.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 24, 2019 1:20:53 GMT
You’ll notice that the part I quoted is you referring to a trans woman as an “it.” Don’t bother claiming you’re a trans rights supporter. she’s not in prison for being TRANS she’s incarcerated for being a child molester. You must support this type of behaviour. You scare me. Damn. That’s seriously crossing a line there. You are your own worst enemy a lot of the time.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 24, 2019 1:25:32 GMT
she’s not in prison for being TRANS she’s incarcerated for being a child molester. You must support this type of behaviour. You scare me. Damn. That’s seriously crossing a line there. You are your own worst enemy a lot of the time. Unhinged.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 24, 2019 1:35:24 GMT
The anger, and emotion in this thread is understandable.
It is very difficult to think in a unbiased manner about anything for a child molester.
I hate what she did. Hate her thoughts, her actions. Hate that she hurt children. Especially hate that she will get out of prison in two years.
And because I hate what she's done, my emotions tell me that I want her to have nothing she enjoys. I never want her to be able to eat her favorite meal again, never want her to smell a favorite flower, never want her to enjoy a movie or song.
Because that's the anger and hate in me triggered by her horrific actions.
But whether she is to receive medical attention that her physicians have decided she should have is not my call.
Not should it be.
Our anger is not that a prisoner will be having a procedure that her physicians have deemed medically necessary. It is that we hate the prisoner for what she's done.
If she was a prisoner who was locked up due to check fraud, and needed medical intervention deemed necessary by her doctors, I don't think we'd be up in arms.
That is why it is necessary to separate her actions from the fact that she is a prisoner who needs medical attention.
Also, I would like to note that body dysmorphia is not a choice. A person with b.d. does not decide to hate their body to the point of body mutilation because of a whim. It can be absolutely crippling. It can lead to suicide.
What is most important is that she is a human, and we as a society must treat her with a base level of dignity, including treating physical and mental illness.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 24, 2019 1:35:40 GMT
I agree, but since she is already there it seems like maybe they could deal with it in a better way. They must have solitary that isn’t an extra punishment type of situation. My college friend is a supervisor at a large state facility in Pennsylvania. We have talked about this before and she says that most larger facilities have a unit where trans people and other sensitive populations can be placed together. I would argue that transferring inmates to those facilities would be a good solution, it would create a safer prison environment for trans inmates and allow them to be with others who share their identity. The purpose in doing something like this is not segregation, it is to put together people with shared concerns and the staff can have more extensive training on their specific groups. Most prisons already do some variation on this in house, I would think it would be feasible to assign trans inmates to a facility together. Perhaps this is running afoul of anti discrimination law but that would be my proposed solution. That is what I envisioned, I know I said solitary, but I meant more a place where the prisoner would have privacy and the correct facilities (bathroom) and safety. I like the idea of what you described.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 24, 2019 1:35:45 GMT
I think to really be objective here we need to remove the crime from the picture; which I admit I'm having a hard time doing. Ultimately, the question I ask myself is should prison medical coverage allow/pay for the surgery for someone in jail for a non-violent crime like.... theft? money laundering? IDK. Anyhow, I still don't know the answer, but I think prison coverage should be the same as coverage 'on the outside' IMO, Medicare/Medicaid. That seems to vary by state from what I can tell.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 24, 2019 1:44:33 GMT
The anger, and emotion in this thread is understandable. It is very difficult to think in a unbiased manner about anything for a child molester. I hate what she did. Hate her thoughts, her actions. Hate that she hurt children. Especially hate that she will get out of prison in two years. And because I hate what she's done, my emotions tell me that I want her to have nothing she enjoys. I never want her to be able to eat her favorite meal again, never want her to smell a favorite flower, never want her to enjoy a movie or song. Because that's the anger and hate in me triggered by her horrific actions. But whether she is to receive medical attention that her physicians have decided she should have is not my call. Not should it be. Our anger is not that a prisoner will be having a procedure that her physicians have deemed medically necessary. It is that we hate the prisoner for what she's done. If she was a prisoner who was locked up due to check fraud, and needed medical intervention deemed necessary by her doctors, I don't think we'd be up in arms. That is why it is necessary to separate her actions from the fact that she is a prisoner who needs medical attention. Also, I would like to note that body dysmorphia is not a choice. A person with b.d. does not decide to hate their body to the point of body mutilation because of a whim. It can be absolutely crippling. It can lead to suicide. What is most important is that she is a human, and we as a society must treat her with a base level of dignity, including treating physical and mental illness. I think this is a pretty fair assessment. I admit myself to struggling with being remotely objective about this particular crime/criminals - but I find myself agreeing with a lot of this.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Aug 24, 2019 1:55:46 GMT
Someone upthread mentioned castrating child molesters.
Basically, this is what the prisoner is asking for. While not so simple, the removal of the male genitalia would, in effect, do the same thing.
In my mind, this will make this person much less of a danger. And if it puts them into the path to mental health , it’s money well spent.
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Post by Just T on Aug 24, 2019 2:05:56 GMT
wondering how much worse their mental health could get to start with, seeing as they already think that it’s ok to molest children. I don’t know how much the recidivism rate of child molesters has to do with it possibly being a mental condition that can’t be effectively treated or cured, or if it’s something that can be rehabilitated effectively and isn’t being effectively currently, you know? I don't have any links to back it up, but I have always heard and read (even as a psychology major in college and graduate school decades ago) that child molesters cannot be cured and have a high recidivism rate. I think that is where I have a hard time worrying about their mental health or caring if they can have a sex change operation while they are in prison. It is very difficult to think in a unbiased manner about anything for a child molester. Yep. It is very difficult to separate the crime from the person in the case of child molesters. To me, someone who sexually abuses a child is the lowest of the low and should go to prison for the rest of their life. There should be zero option for getting out of prison if you sexually abuse a child. So again, it is hard to NOT take the crime into consideration in this case. Also, I would like to note that body dysmorphia is not a choice. A person with b.d. does not decide to hate their body to the point of body mutilation because of a whim. It can be absolutely crippling. It can lead to suicide. I agree with this, too. I have a nephew who was born my niece. I know what he has gone through in his life to live as the person he truly is. He told me once that from as far back as he can remember, he always thought he was a boy, not a girl. He now lives as a man. He looks like a man, sounds like a man. But even he has not been able to have the full sex change operation because of $$. So I guess thinking of him, it is even harder to think of a convicted child molester getting this surgery for free.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 2:56:08 GMT
They are a sexual predator of children. Body dysmorphia does not make you sexually assault a child. This person is free to do what they want when they have served their time and are out of prison (which if you ask me should be never), but until every man, woman, child, and veteran in this country who has not committed violent crimes, has their basic healthcare needs taken care of, there is no way I am going to believe that this is worthy of taxpayer dollars.
But she has my thoughts and, you know, prayers.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 24, 2019 2:58:32 GMT
I agree, but since she is already there it seems like maybe they could deal with it in a better way. They must have solitary that isn’t an extra punishment type of situation. Solitary isn't all that bad, according to my cousin! He is in the same prison.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 8:24:48 GMT
As a tax payer I don't want to contribute to this. Feeding and sheltering our homeless community, yes. Medical care for our veterans and elderly, yes. Unnecessary surgery on an inmate serving time for sexual abuse of a child, no. News StoryBOISE, Idaho — A federal appeals court says Idaho must provide gender confirmation surgery to a transgender inmate who has been living as a woman for years but who has continuously been housed in a men's prison.If she's been living as a woman for years what has stopped her having it done before on her own dime? I agree with you, I wouldn't want my tax to pay for it either. It's not a medical emergency, she's not going to die if she doesn't have it done. And for those that will come back and say it will mentally affect her, well it can't have affected her that much if she's been living as a woman for a number of years.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Aug 24, 2019 10:07:16 GMT
I tried to come up with a comment, but the English language is still lacking appropriate gender neutral personal pronouns so I can't. Grammatically, "it" is unbiassed, but oh, SO very offensive. "He" denies the prisoner's human rights apparently, and "she" insults my truth. "They" is probably the most acceptable, but is also wrong. So...
If the male organ of reproduction is removed, does that also remove the possibility of molestation in the future? No. It only removes the possibility of insemination. That's one good thing, but it doesn't solve the problem. Child molestation was not caused by body dysmorphia, so the surgery and the crime are not related. I think the prisoner should be the one to pay, not the state.
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