"Rape is not a punishment for getting drunk."

no, it shouldn't matter, but people justify things all the time.

There is a cultural myth about rape victims. They are innocent virgins attacked after chorus practice. Or they’re “loose” women. In which case they don’t count. And they’re all young. Because no one would want to rape an old woman, right?

Being a rape victim is a deeply, deeply personal thing. When it is also public, there is so much shame. I’m not saying there should be. But there is. Because of how our culture trains us.

I was treated nothing but kindly, and with dignity by everyone I encountered through the process. But it took years of therapy to make the shame go away. You feel like people are talking about the unlikeliness of it. The how. The why. You feel they look at you different.

I understand why she wants to recognize the place where good people intervened. The words that said This Should Not Happen.

How this young woman finds the strength to do what she is doing is inspiring.

I find the bolded way of thinking despicable,especially from a woman. That way of thinking is part of the problem. Ask yourself do the first deserved to be raped but the other doesn't? Rape is Rape doesn't matter how you are dressed, whether you are compos mentis or whether he's your boyfriend or your husband, it is still rape unless you give consent. Men who rape are not only rapist but are also cowards to rape an unconscious person.

Good job that the two young men that found her didn't think the same way as Brock Turner, the media or you did.

No one, not even "drunken party girls', deserves to be raped. It's crazy that your takeaway from her being assaulted was that her circumstances made her seem like someone who deserved to be raped. Ugh.

You can't say that with certainty. Women get raped by stone cold sober men every day somewhere.

Brock Turner was only just over twice the legal limit.....most, if not all people, know what they're doing with that level of alcohol in their blood especially someone like BT who was used to drinking alcohol from a much younger age. He was an experienced drinker who had already been been arrested on that campus previous to that night for underage drinking.

Non of us are ignorant as you put it. We're a bunch of women who happen to believe that rape is abhorrent under any circumstance.

When you think multiple people are “intentionally misinterpreting” what you said, I’d encourage you to consider that perhaps the problem is with how you stated your position and not how others interpreted it.

How do you know that?
What people are trying to explain to you is that alcohol isn't the problem, men who sexually assault women are the problem. That's all.

Yep. Statistically, rapists are the no 1 cause of all rapes.

A-clue-istic - having no clue whatsoever. A wonderful made up word I heard years ago but never has it been more appropriate.

Layce you still don't get it do you. Shame on you, and as busy said - if this many people 'misunderstand' what you're saying, it might be time to look with an open mind at exactly what you are saying.

How do you know this??
I'm going to be as nice as I can, but the things you are saying piss me off.
I was nearly raped at a party in college. By a guy who was not drunk. I was drinking, but I wasn't drunk. I was not a party girl by any stretch of the imagination. I was actually the girl who really didn't like beer and would "nurse" the same beer all night. I have no doubt this guy would have raped me if a friend hadn't walked in the room. NO way could I have stopped him, even if I hadn't had a single drop of alcohol. I was a tiny thing, probably weighed not much more than 100 pounds. He was a strong, big guy, Division 1 college basketball player. I could barely breathe with him on top of me, much less fight him off.

I never told anyone about this. Not even my husband. Wanna know why??? Because I was so ashamed, thought it was my fault. I should not have been drinking. I shouldn't have kissed a guy while we were dancing. Yada yada yada. I never told a living soul about this, here or anywhere else, until the Brett Kavanaugh fiasco.

Brock Turner was a RAPIST. People who are not rapists do not rape girls who are passed out drunk on a sidewalk. People who are not rapists get help for the girl, maybe help her back to her dorm, or look at her cell phone and call a friend to come get her. A guy who is going to rape a passed out drunk girl on a sidewalk is going to rape, or attempt to rape, someone else at some point. For you to say she needs to take responsibility for the role her alcohol abuse played in her rape is disgusting.

Thank you. It's so strange, even after all these years(it happened in 1983), I still do have feelings of doing something wrong. It is just so ingrained in women that men rape because of the way we are dressed (I was wearing jeans and a turtleneck sweater, by the way, LOL), we drank too much, we flirted, blah blah blah, so what do we expect?

I spent a few days with my 25 year old son this weekend, who is a very sweet, loving guy, who treats the girls he dates so well. He didn't know about the Brock Turner case, or if he did, we have never talked about it. After reading this thread from the beginning, it has been on my mind. I asked him, hypothetically, what he would do if he was in college and found a drunk girl passed out on the sidewalk. He said, "Is this a serious question, Mom??" And then, "I would find a way to help her." Then, I told him about the Brock Turner case, and he thought I was lying. He had to look it up on his phone. And then, he was pissed off and said he hoped the guy was in prison for a long time, and I told him NOPE.

Sorry I digressed here. This is a hot button for me.