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Post by gillyp on Oct 16, 2019 17:35:39 GMT
It seems like both sides were ambushed and well done to Harry’s family for refusing a meeting under those circumstances but you can bet Trump will eventually say he did everything he could and the family refused. He will make himself out to be the all gloried fixer and have a downer on the family for not going ahead. I do think the family saying they would only meet her on British soil will have people say why did they bother going to the US in the first place. I feel their trip could lose them support.
I wish reporters will stop saying “Harry ran into a car” “Harry crashed into a car”. He didn’t, he wasn’t in the wrong, according to all reports. The reports should be saying a car crashed into him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 19:19:39 GMT
According to Trump they were not ready to see her - liar. It wasn't because they were not ready,they've said all along that they will meet her but only in the UK. How sneaky to invite them both to the White House and pull this trick on them. Harry's father said one of the first thing that was said to them by Robert O’Brien, Trump’s national security adviser was that Ann Sacoolas was never going to return to the UK. I think the one of reasons they went gillyp was to get public support and maybe guilt her into returning. I don't know if that is a bad thing or not but she certainly can't hide, their trip has had to much publicity. I think all they've got left now is for the courts to apply for her extradition.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 16, 2019 19:35:06 GMT
Possibly the interview I saw had been poorly edited @dottyscrapper but they were broadcast up here saying they were going in the hope of drumming up support from Americans (my words) and hoped to meet with her. No matter what I don’t believe the family will gain anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 20:08:52 GMT
Laura Bush killed a kid when she was speeding and ran a stop sign. I don't think she even got a slap on the wrist. If you are well connected you skate. ....with liberty and justice for SOME (well-off, white, well-connected, and Christian)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 20:15:44 GMT
GOOD FOR THEM FOR NOT BEING BULLIED INTO SOMETHING SO JERRY SPRINGER.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 16, 2019 21:25:31 GMT
I absolutely agree. She should return and face justice. I suppose I can understand diplomatic immunity in some situations, such as where justice systems are not up to reasonable standards; however, the UK system is arguably superior to that of the US, in that it doesn't allow for the death penalty. The death penalty is on a state by state basis here. Not all of them allow it, and some that do don’t enforce it. Just an FYI. That being said, she’s an awful human being for walking away from it. She should return and face up to the consequences what she did, and this country should not protect her from that.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 16, 2019 21:34:18 GMT
But Trump kept emphasizing that this was an accident and we all have accidents! Yes, accidents happpen, Mr Trump. In this instance it’s known as a road traffic accident and the one found to be at fault should expect to pay the consequences. It’s what adults do. Nothing’s going to happen, is it. Remember, you’re taking about a man laughing in the face of possible impeachment. His moral compass doesn’t exactly point due north.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 0:52:22 GMT
Yes, accidents happpen, Mr Trump. In this instance it’s known as a road traffic accident and the one found to be at fault should expect to pay the consequences. It’s what adults do. Nothing’s going to happen, is it. Remember, you’re taking about a man laughing in the face of possible impeachment. His moral compass doesn’t exactly point due north. His moral compass came out of a cracker jack box.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 17, 2019 2:23:08 GMT
Remember, you’re taking about a man laughing in the face of possible impeachment. His moral compass doesn’t exactly point due north. His moral compass came out of a cracker jack box. 😂 Aww what did crackerjacks do to deserve a Trump association?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 17, 2019 3:54:33 GMT
The surprise factor was absolutely wrong. A meeting like that needs mental preparation.
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Post by peanutterbutter on Oct 17, 2019 3:59:37 GMT
He probably thought it would end up being some smiling photo-op where everyone would shake hands and forgive each other, just because Trump the almighty arranged it. He has no sense of empathy or real emotions.
Good on the family for refusing to have that meeting in such a way and in such a public way.
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Post by gar on Oct 17, 2019 6:41:42 GMT
He probably thought it would end up being some smiling photo-op where everyone would shake hands and forgive each other, just because Trump the almighty arranged it. He has no sense of empathy or real emotions. Good on the family for refusing to have that meeting in such a way and in such a public way. Those were my thoughts too....cos it's all about him Harry's parents were very clear in saying that they thought Trump had sincerely listened to their story and they hoped he would be an honourable man and actually try and facilitate a satisfactory outcome on their behalf. I don't blame them at all for flattering him and trying to appeal to his better nature but I feel that they're inevitably in for a huge let down as far as he's concerned
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Post by t2x on Oct 17, 2019 13:21:47 GMT
Ugh, could you just imagine it if Harry's parents had been bamboozled into that photo op?! The orange buffoon standing between the 2 parties, wearing his usual (and so often inappropriate) shit-eating grin, the Great Peacemaker...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 13:03:28 GMT
"British detectives will fly to the United States to interview an American diplomat's wife suspected of killing a teenager in a fatal road accident, police said Tuesday. Harry Dunn, 19, was killed after his motorcycle was hit by Anne Sacoolas, who admits driving on the wrong side of the road near a British military base used by the United States." How nice to be well-connected and have the police fly to you rather than hauling you in to be interviewed by them. www.nbcnews.com/news/world/diplomat-s-wife-be-interviewed-detectives-over-fatal-car-crash-n1069841
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 22, 2019 13:34:04 GMT
How nice to be well-connected and have the police fly to you rather than hauling you in to be interviewed by them. IF they are actually allowed to interview her!
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Post by gar on Oct 29, 2019 18:54:50 GMT
Harry Dunne's family are planning to sue the Trump administration and take 'civil action' (if I remember correctly?) against Anne Sacoolas (sp?)
This is going to get very unpleasant I fear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 18:57:20 GMT
I find the reporting on this to be somewhat conflicting. I work with a woman who is a personal friend of the dad in this case and she said that the family was very happy with the White House's handling of the situation. In any case this is a sad sad situation.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 29, 2019 20:01:49 GMT
Suing the trump administration is a little too much, IMO. If she had diplomatic immunity, she had diplomatic immunity and even though it sucks, it is what it is. Those policies are in place for a reason.
I just heard of a situation today where a woman is being charged with involuntary manslaughter because she urged her boyfriend to commit suicide. She is in South Korea. Lawyers are trying to get her back here, but something tells me that if the South Korean government doesn’t send her back, nobody is going to sue their government.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 21:26:14 GMT
I find the reporting on this to be somewhat conflicting. I work with a woman who is a personal friend of the dad in this case and she said that the family was very happy with the White House's handling of the situation. In any case this is a sad sad situation. The interview I saw with the Dad was that non of the family were happy about it at all and they were dumbfounded and shocked when they suggested they meet her. He said they were invited to the WH and went because they thought Trump could help not to be blindsided and tricked into meeting her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 21:48:05 GMT
Suing the trump administration is a little too much, IMO. If she had diplomatic immunity, she had diplomatic immunity and even though it sucks, it is what it is. Those policies are in place for a reason. I just heard of a situation today where a woman is being charged with involuntary manslaughter because she urged her boyfriend to commit suicide. She is in South Korea. Lawyers are trying to get her back here, but something tells me that if the South Korean government doesn’t send her back, nobody is going to sue their government. I don’t think that the Dunn case is as straight forward as that though. They’re suing the Trump administration for lawlessness and a cover up because she left the UK against the wishes of the Foreign Office, claiming diplomatic immunity under a relatively obscure agreement covering RAF Croughton and the British Government. Sounds as if the W H administration has interpreted it a different way to what it actually means.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 14:58:54 GMT
Parents of Teenager Killed by U.S. Diplomat's Wife Say Donald Trump Offered to Have the Treasury Write Them a Check ""Justice has to be done," she said. "They all need to learn that this can't happen again and they need to learn that things need to be put into place to stop this." During the meeting, Trump claimed to have Sacoolas in the next room, ready to meet with Dunn's parents. Dunn and Charles declined the invitation, informing the president they would not meet with Sacoolas unless it was on U.K. soil. "She is never going back to the U.K.," National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien, who was allegedly present for the meeting, told the family. Trump allegedly tried a total of three times to get Dunn's family to speak with Sacoolas. "It felt genuine at the time, although we were not impressed with the fact that obviously, we had it sprung on us that she was there," Charles said. "For all we know, she might have been watching us on a TV camera in the other room. We have absolutely no idea."" I wouldn't put it past this administration to have them on TV cameras so they could figure out how to mount a defense for Anne vs. really caring about the Dunns. www.newsweek.com/parents-teenager-killed-us-diplomats-wife-say-donald-trump-offered-have-treasury-write-them-1470743
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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2019 15:07:55 GMT
It's clearly not about the money for them, it's about justice. Not everyone can be bought, although that's probably a concept Trump struggles with.
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 9, 2019 16:47:24 GMT
I remember a case many years ago, maybe in the 70's, about a young Indian man who murdered a young girl. She had rejected his affections. He's dad was a diplomat and therefore had diplomatic immunity. I think the only thing that happened to him was he was sent back to India. (may have been another country?)
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Post by artgirl1 on Nov 9, 2019 17:01:53 GMT
Parents of Teenager Killed by U.S. Diplomat's Wife Say Donald Trump Offered to Have the Treasury Write Them a Check[/quot I saw this and immediately searched for additional coverage. It doesn't surprise me that dimwit thought money could resolve the issue, but I am outraged that money from my taxes would be used for what is essentially extortion. He allegedly said that Steve (Munuchin) was available to write them a check right then. That is extortion or bribery, and another example of the lawless WH. I want to be shocked but I think I am well beyond that. Just another day...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 13:23:43 GMT
On Friday the Home office submitted a request to the US for the extradition of Ann Sacoolas - The United States called it "highly inappropriate"! Seriously?
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Post by gar on Jan 11, 2020 13:26:36 GMT
Perhaps that was Trump’s choice of words.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 13:34:04 GMT
Perhaps that was Trump’s choice of words. I don't know who actually said it. It came up on the BBC news website. link
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Post by gar on Jan 11, 2020 13:42:18 GMT
Perhaps that was Trump’s choice of words. I don't know who actually said it. It came up on the BBC news website. linkI know...but I can just imagine that that's the sort of thing he would say, as opposed to a general feeling within the US authorities.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 13:52:35 GMT
I don't know who actually said it. It came up on the BBC news website. linkI know...but I can just imagine that that's the sort of thing he would say, as opposed to a general feeling within the US authorities. I see what you mean but I'm sot sure that the BBC would have said it was the US rather than just say it was Trump himself. They haven't been short in quoting his own words in the past. One also has to bear in mind what The State Dept said before about it being abuse.
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Post by gar on Jan 11, 2020 14:07:31 GMT
I know...but I can just imagine that that's the sort of thing he would say, as opposed to a general feeling within the US authorities. I see what you mean but I'm sot sure that the BBC would have said it was the US rather than just say it was Trump himself. They haven't been short in quoting his own words in the past. One also has to bear in mind what The State Dept said before about it being abuse. I see that now. Very unsatisfactory all round.
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