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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 20:49:50 GMT
Some Republicans are stepping up, even in Georgia, and very publically!! 'Unfathomable': Georgia Senate condemns pro-Putin white nationalists in blow to Marjorie Taylor GreeneDavid Edwards February 28, 2022 Georgia state Sen. Russ Goodman (R) on Monday took to the Senate floor to condemn speech at a white nationalist event that was headlined by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA). GA Sen Russ Goodman speaking youtu.be/7TTcQ9ddoMAwww.rawstory.com/georgia-senate-condemns-white-nationalists/But will the rep ensure her? Nope. Because she brings them $$$ |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 10:41:06 GMT
I have received a lot of notifications and will be reading them later and catching up with the thread afterwards but after a poor night’s sleep I just want to get this out of way . The following words were targeted specifically to me and my family . As the sole recipient of these remarks my feelings are explained below.
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result” A general comment could have been made without involving me at all. It was not necessary . Instead she dragged my family in saying our lives were worth less than zero and no one cared if we lived or died as clinically vulnerable. This was not a general “you” I appreciate the sentiment of others that feel I have misunderstood but it does not feel that way. It feels like I have been kicked, kicked again, then kicked some more. could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die.
You mean less than zero to them
I'll say this again. ... they actively don't care if you live or die as a result
3 times she chose to hurt me no matter which angle she was approaching from (well intentioned or not) She did not need to use my family in that way to illustrate her point. She could have chosen the phrase ‘anyone’ instead of ‘you’ . She could have used general ‘you’ but did not. ”You and your clinically vulnerable family” can not be interpreted in other way other than personal rather than general. No one else has said comments like her. Those words came out of her mouth no one elses. I will not be discussing this further. Except I would like to say thank you for any support that I have received. Again, that’s absolutely not what she said! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 2:27:31 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 2:20:50 GMT
I would guess that she’s probably pissed that her checks/bank transfers aren’t coming from Russia any more! 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 2:10:58 GMT
Let's not pretend it isn't.
It's largely up to you where your discretionary money goes, who it supports, and who it harms.
For example....
"But on Capitol Hill, the president’s biggest commitment to LGBTQ Americans continues to languish, a likely casualty of the Senate filibuster, renewed conservative hostility to transgender people—and a slow-motion, under-the-radar dark money campaign to kill a bill nearly half a century in the making.
The Equality Act, which would make it illegal to discriminate against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in most settings, is supported by more than two-thirds of Americans. It passed the House of Representatives in February with a bipartisan majority, and Biden has promised to sign the final bill. But instead of becoming law more than four decades after it was first introduced, it’s falling victim to what one LGBTQ movement leader called one of “the most sophisticated dark money operations” they’ve ever seen.
The source of much of that money, according to a review of tax filings by allied non-profits and some accidental public disclosures provided to The Daily Beast, is the National Christian Charitable Foundation (NCF), the nation’s sixth-largest charity and one of the biggest bankrollers of organizations currently on the front lines in the fight against the Equality Act. The NCF’s list of high-dollar donors includes some of the country’s richest and most powerful families. Among them: Betsy DeVos’ eponymous family foundation, as well as the private foundations of the Anschutz oil dynasty, the late Republican megadonor Foster Friess, Hobby Lobby, and Dan Cathy, the billionaire owner of Chick-fil-A, the six-days-a-week fast-food chain, which promised to stop donating to anti-LGBT causes last year....
According to the NCF’s Form 990, in 2018 it granted $6,585,923 to the Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal interest group, one of its largest grants to a single political organization that year. With that cash in hand, ADF has crafted a vast network of more than 3,300 affiliated “allied attorneys.” A Media Matters for America report on ADF included a list of about 300 of those, noting that the cadre includes multiple state attorneys general and state lawmakers. Terry Parker, co-founder of NCF, served as director or treasurer for more than half a dozen such foundations, many of which have anodyne names like “The Jesus Fund Foundation” or the “Christian Heritage Foundation of Steamboat Springs.” But LGBTQ movement leaders say that the structure is deliberate in order to keep fingerprints of some of the nation’s richest families off of some of the more unseemly activities of NCF’s grantees. ...
the NCF is also a major grantor of many of the biggest players in the push to defeat the Equality Act. In particular, the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, and Alliance Defending Freedom have been major players in the fight over expanded rights for LGBTQ people since the wars over same-sex marriage."
Of course a lot of you don't give a crap. And if you don't care, you don't care. Maybe when some issue affects you/your family/your loved ones PERSONALLY, you'll start to care. Some people don't empathize with others until/unless the others are someone they know or love.
But let's not pretend there aren't consequences when money transfers from our wallets/Zelle accounts into the bank accounts of some for-profit entities and their majority individual shareholders.
The sole reason we no longer patronize Chick-fil-A. Going on 2+ years of not going! 🌈 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:50:28 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. She wasn’t trying to score points. And again, she was not wishing any harm to your family. She was referencing the sentiments of some of the anti-vaxxed/anti-mandate crowd. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:17:55 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
Read my post above^^^ I think she was speaking of 2 specific peas, not that she, sassy thought this at all. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:15:42 GMT
But here's the thing - I AM a family that has an LGBTQ+ member in it. My oldest DD. And we would go to Disney in a heartbeat - I don't care if it is in Florida. Disney is actually a very pro LGBTQ+ space, even if it is in a state that is introducing crappy laws. She didn't come on asking for places to go that were LGBTQ+ friendly, she specifically said a location due to a tournament they were participating in. Totally different question. I agree with you on this. We all have issues that are personal to us, but it doesn't give us the right to derail a thread to question someone's choice based on our issue, and that's what happened. For the eleventy-billionth time…That’s not what I was trying to do. I never thought my personal opinion would cause others to lose their minds and get ugly. And no one has answered this one—so I’ll ask again—so are we all now supposed to get permission as to what we are permitted post on a thread started by someone else? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:11:54 GMT
This is the post. I have posted in it’s entirety because it is open to interpretation. Twice she made comments regarding nobody caring whether my family lives or dies, with added emphasis that our lives mean’t zero. She presented the comments as if they were not a reflection of her individual point of view but of unnamed others on the board contributing to that thread instead. I do not recall anybody else on that thread saying those things . Her condemnation of the comments was ironic because no one else had uttered them but her.        Oh no—I don’t think she said she didn’t care… What I’m reading is that she was referring to a few peas on this board who have been verbal about “not wearing masks, they don’t work, prove it people” (2 specific peas come to mind who had been posting) who have shown that they could care less of others, that they are all about themselves and how they’ve been inconvenienced by masks, and their opposition to the mask mandates and vaccination mandates has been fueled by ignorance and misinformation. I truly do not think sassy said what you’re saying. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:03:27 GMT
It’s likely that this story got a bit more exposure (ha ha) than warranted because this same mayor, several months before this last incident was attempting to get school board members fired for what he deemed “pornography” (this was college level, optional classes) but the county prosecutor’s did not find any reason to pursue charges, which then led to a “visit” from Josh Mandel, a trumplizard running for a state senate seat, to come to town and praise “the Patriot” for “telling the school board that they had the choice of resigning or facing criminal charges for teaching child pornography to students.” (Which never happened—any of it! No teachers were teaching porn, prosecutors did not find evidence of porn thus no charges, and no teachers/school board members fired.
So in (usual) Republican fashion a bunch of made up bullcrap that never existed, took place, happened, that got major news coverage!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 23:49:26 GMT
Obviously everyone defending the ice houses is already deep into the world of prostitution. I mean, it’s so clear how one gets from ice fishing to prostitution, so clear it doesn’t even need to be explained He even went as far as stating he worked in a case somewhere, however when reporters looked into that (and his employment history) nothing could be found. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 23:09:52 GMT
Sigh…again, I wasn’t the loudmouth calling people names. I wasn’t trying to be political. A big part of this fallout is that things were being attributed to me that just were not coming from me, were not written by me, were not implied by me. (And they’re still being applied to me.) I never intended to go into any detail at all to make a case for my viewpoint. I was good after my first post. I intended that post to be the ONLY thing I wrote on that thread. All my subsequent posts have been trying to clarify, and I’m being beaten to death over them because of what others have said (I said/wrote) when it’s their posts that were ugly, name calling and disrespectful. Was my post a dick move? In hindsight, according to several, likely so—but again I never meant for it to be anything other than what I actually said in my first post—A non-political personal opinion. I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t disagree with having respectful conversations. It’s not accurate to pile that onus on me for that thread. I wasn’t being disrespectful towards the OP—unless the rule now is that we must get permission on what we post in threads started by someone else. And, I believe that your post here/now considers all the information I’ve SINCE posted without the benefit of those who really threw the thread. And as a side note, regardless if my lack of financial spending in Florida breaks them or not—it doesn’t matter. I’d do it/say it every day of the year twice over. Advocacy has to start somewhere. I know I’m not alone and quite often once someone sees someone else standing up for their beliefs it might just be what they need to see to find their own voice for their life. Saying things like that to someone who is advocating is equivalent to “it’s not going to make a difference so you might as well not even bother” “it’s not worth it” which to me is further erasing and diminishing my family member and others that I love. It wasn’t my intent to say that withholding money didn’t matter. I actively try not to spend my money at Walmart but that is difficult and I am struggling with trying to do the same with Amazon. Damn them for being so convenient. I realize Walmart doesn’t give a damn about me not giving my money to them. There is a charity that I also absolutely refuse to donate to but recognize they don’t even care. I was saying that I think you would get further with starting here. Perhaps telling your nephews daily struggles would get some peas to understand the direct impact these bills have on people, or more specifically children. Maybe not on a travel recommendation thread though.  I am on my phone so I can’t multi quote but for Merge there are other peas that have lgbtq children and post respectfully. I read the entirety of their posts. However, when you end posts multiple times with I fucking hate republicans that usually doesn’t indicate you want to have respectful conversations. However, that is just my opinion and I also don’t fall in line with republicans on this issue so I can’t speak that this would be true of all republicans on this board. I try not to convolute threads or crossover/lump context/ further confuse. The posts in which I wrote I “fucking hate republicans” were in context to those posts, for example, I wrote that regarding the republicans who are writing legislation in Texas banning the existence and turning their parents into CPS of trans kids. I also may have wrote that on the thread where republicans are writing legislation to make it illegal and punishable to talk about being gay In Schools. Yup. Hate them. I cannot be apologetic for that. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 22:36:34 GMT
I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved. Out of curiosity, what is the preferred respectful response to someone who doesn’t think your child has the right to be who they are, and is willing vote those beliefs into law? This made me cry. I’ve been seeking this answer for sometime. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 22:35:38 GMT
Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. I have told myself to walk away from this thread but I want to put something out there for you to sit and chew on. Have you thought that maybe your approach is not helpful? There are many peas that are opposite of my beliefs that I enjoy having political discussions with and because of their approach they even challenge my beliefs enough for me to sit and really reconsider my opinion. They do this by being respectful, not calling names and not making every single thing about politics or politicians. You want the world to change? What you are doing isn’t rallying people to change. You could bring more change to the world by educating people on this board, or irl, than not spending money in Florida. Because let’s be honest Florida’s economy isn’t going to break from you not visiting there. However, it is more likely that you can reach just one person on this board and make them reevaluate their stance on a subject. I can’t think of one single time when I changed my opinion on something after someone was assholish to me. Typically, I dig my heels in even more. I am usually open minded but when someone starts getting personal with attacks that pen mind shuts right down. Respectful discussions can yield some pretty amazing results (ideas) for all parties involved. Sigh…again, I wasn’t the loudmouth calling people names. I wasn’t trying to be political. A big part of this fallout is that things were being attributed to me that just were not coming from me, were not written by me, were not implied by me. (And they’re still being applied to me.) I never intended to go into any detail at all to make a case for my viewpoint. I was good after my first post. I intended that post to be the ONLY thing I wrote on that thread. All my subsequent posts have been trying to clarify, and I’m being beaten to death over them because of what others have said (I said/wrote) when it’s their posts that were ugly, name calling and disrespectful. Was my post a dick move? In hindsight, according to several, likely so—but again I never meant for it to be anything other than what I actually said in my first post—A non-political personal opinion. I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t disagree with having respectful conversations. It’s not accurate to pile that onus on me for that thread. I wasn’t being disrespectful towards the OP—unless the rule now is that we must get permission on what we post in threads started by someone else. And, I believe that your post here/now considers all the information I’ve SINCE posted without the benefit of those who really threw the thread. And as a side note, regardless if my lack of financial spending in Florida breaks them or not—it doesn’t matter. I’d do it/say it every day of the year twice over. Advocacy has to start somewhere. I know I’m not alone and quite often once someone sees someone else standing up for their beliefs it might just be what they need to see to find their own voice for their life. Saying things like that to someone who is advocating is equivalent to “it’s not going to make a difference so you might as well not even bother” “it’s not worth it” which to me is further erasing and diminishing my family member and others that I love. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 22:10:08 GMT
Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. You are absolutely right. How utterly ridiculous of me to suggest you consider the idea of Kikipea sitting down and listening to your concerns IRL when you show nothing but contempt for her. Contempt for her? Seriously?  I have absolutely no ill will towards kikipea. I’ll keep stressing that because I never demeaned her or said a single thing negative about her. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 21:41:26 GMT
This is 20 minutes away from me. The mayor did step down, he has a history of stating things that are non necessarily true or factual. The mayoral position in this community is more ceremonial vs legislative and supposed to be non-partisan (he is a republican) but he had a few whoppers in a short time and if these statements, there was never evidence to back it up. News crews/press researched, he was asked directly but offered no evidence, etc. The fun part was what came about because if his crazy statements…  A local restaurant got creative with their drink menu for Valentine’s Day! 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 21:00:01 GMT
You're behaving like a bull in a china shop. KikiPea wanted suggestions on a place to stay in a place you despise, so you came in, wrecked the place and continued on to make it all about you, stomping on her into yet another thread.  Yeah, sorry. I NEVER said you papercrafteradvocate can’t have your own opinion, and even state it ANYWHERE that was not on MY thread about a vacation spot. Not appropriate. Same thing. Are we going to start asking for permission of what we can and cannot post on a thread? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 20:53:32 GMT
I am first hand watching a trans teen struggle with being bullied, contemplating self harm, end of life at 15. I have nothing but compassion for your child and for your family. Maybe if you were both sitting around IRL, you'd be able to tell KikiPea more about your private life and maybe even have a good cry together. And maybe she could tell you what time spent in Florida means to her. Really? And some how that will make the target on my nephew’s head go away? Ok then! Let’s get that meeting set up pronto! I’ve been an advocate and ally for LBGTQIA (especially youth) speaking up and out. I don’t see that stopping—the pain and suffering that these children/teens/adults endure because power hungry politicians want to use them as examples of everything wrong with our country and politicize them as if they are dog shit on the bottom of a shoe. The only way that I can directly affect changes in states other than where I am that are trying to eradicate loved ones and other LBGTQIA persons is with my voice, disposable income, and supporting candidates and agencies who are also fighting the fight. I’ve stated it before—it’s not political for me. (And to those who insist I’m pretending it’s not—put yourself in my shoes/my viewpoint as you’re telling me to do with your view—do you see your loved ones as political pawns/walking political billboards? It’s down right scary what these politicians are putting forth by way of legislation against LBGTQIA. Watching my loved one at 15 decide if he’s “worthy to live” or not is heartbreaking, gutting, and devastating. But yeah, listening to someone else’s memories of a location they love to frequently visit just might me change or make me feel better. And please, Let’s not forget that in my post on the Florida thread, I never once disparaged or demeaned the OP, I specifically and clearly spoke from my spot and only my spot on the bench. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 19:59:53 GMT
I would like to make a point about that thread that went bad. If you are a family that loves a member of the lgbtq+ community, knowing where there isn't acceptance of your loved one in a travel location is important to us. Also, some of us don't think who our loved ones are should be (is a?) political issue. Calling it that and dismissing it as a political issue in itself can be offensive. I'm hoping to say this in a non-threatening way because I really want people to understand. This is a huge deal for us and if I were posting like Kiki did, and for some reason didn't know that information about the location I was traveling to, I would have appreciated the posts that had pointed it out. I do see that some responses got nasty. Those aren't the responses I'm referring to. Thank you so much for this. ❤️🌈🌈 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 19:59:02 GMT
Just to be clear…you can be who you want and post what you want, “because that’s who you are” but others have to stand down on their thoughts and opinions if the OP doesn’t like them/agree? You're behaving like a bull in a china shop. KikiPea wanted suggestions on a place to stay in a place you despise, so you came in, wrecked the place and continued on to make it all about you, stomping on her into yet another thread. Nope. I wasn’t the source of the hatefulness and meanness on that thread. Check yourself. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 18:41:23 GMT
Unfortunately, I think because covid was so politicized and because of the 24 hour news cycle, politics have become so pervasive in everyone’s lives, especially in the last 2 years. I understand some peas would prefer this board remain a happy place without all of the politics. Everyone could use an escape from the stress of the last 2 years. And I understand the frustration when politics pop up on a thread that appears safe. But, I do think the political threads have a place here, too. I don’t mind the political threads because I stay out of them, but when a post is made asking a specific non-threatening, literally completely innocent question, people need to keep their rude opinions to themselves. I didn’t ask for anyones negative opinions. I asked about where to stay for a vacation. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks about the place I want to visit. It’s my prerogative. You don’t have to like it, but I’ve been going to this said state for at least 15 years, and will continue to do so. Either add answers to the questions, or move on. I will definitely think twice about posting anything to this board anymore, with the exception of my thoughts and prayers (which some of you don’t agree with, but that’s who *I* am, and will continue to be.), or an actual answer to a question may be able to assist with. And, no, it’s not because I don’t have thick skin. Nothing in that thread was directed at me, but it did not belong there, and I refuse to wade through peas spewing crap on my innocent post. Take it elsewhere. “I will definitely think twice about posting anything to this board anymore, with the exception of my thoughts and prayers (which some of you don’t agree with, but that’s who *I* am, and will continue to be.)” Just to be clear…you can be who you want and post what you want, “because that’s who you are” but others have to stand down on their thoughts and opinions if the OP doesn’t like them/agree? Got it. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 16:10:33 GMT
How ironic —you cannot seem to stop disparaging me over things that YOU ARE MAKING UP. Not once in the post did I disparage or demean the OP. Why is it that you’re allowed to do exactly what this post is the subject of, and what you’re doing on that thread to me (making up things I never said/write/did) then come here, tell a tale and do it all over again? I’m not the one on this thread or the other thread being “heinous, bombastic, disparaging, demeaning” or anything closely resembling that…(however you have been in every post over there). The point of this thread is "arguing", yet here you are. I wonder what it would look like if you were to view your comments in the other thread from everyone else's viewpoint? Why is it that everyone else read your post in a completely different way than you meant it? That's where we're going with this thread. I'm not interesting in arguing with you on a thread about arguing, lol. Clearly we will disagree. Do you need a mirror? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 16:07:52 GMT
I'm sure this is a side effect of my crappy menopausal irritation level being at an all time high. But I'm going to vent big time. And I'm sure I'll be told "if you don't like it just scroll on by" but when the thread title is something simple & seemingly an innocent question, I open it because maybe I can help. And my foul mouth is about to come out.... But holy fuck - I'm SO sick of all the fucking arguing going on around here!!! Every thread seems to turn into an argument. Somebody asked about trip advice - and that turned into a fucking argue fest. TRIP ADVICE! What the hell? This used to be my happy place - a place to learn things from other Peas and laugh at silly things and support those who needed it. But now even a simple thread title that seems innocent enough turns in to a fucking argument. We are all coming off 2 years of lockdowns and stress and stupid crappiness all around. Can we not take it out on each other? Please? Vent over. Yes, this. 100% I hate it when people decide that it’s their place to spew their crap, even if I may (but probably not) agree with it. The attitude that they spew it with is the problem. I don’t care what side you’re on, if you express your beliefs in that manner, you will not change my mind. When a post has absolutely nothing to do with you (not you, cakediva), if you want to read it, fine, be my guest, but if you have nothing constructive to add, or you can’t say something in a nice manner, move on. Your attitude determines whether or not I will listen to your side of things. If you’re going to be an ass, I can guarantee you I won’t see your side of things because I won’t even read it. When I posted yesterday, I truly never thought it would go that way. I’m sorry that it did. I was not disparaging you or demeaning you in my post and thought it to be “tongue in cheek” and only my personal thoughts. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 16:03:08 GMT
I see the irony of commenting on this thread when I lost my ever loving shit last week and derailed a few threads. In my defense, I was extremely ill and hopped up on some really fine drugs - I do try and be more measured in my responses typically and know when to let things go when clearly the discussion has become a big hot mess. There is some truth to kibblesandbits post, but disagree that papercrafteradvocate is one of the offenders for abusiveness. There's give and take there, really the hardest part for me as a reader of her posting style is coming back to a contentious thread after some time away and quoting like 10 things in a row. I get wanting to respond, but if you're not there for the back and forth, just read and respond in one post or two posts with a summary of your thoughts and responses (hey we're venting and it irritates me, I fully know you can do whatever you want). There are a couple much worse offenders who just fly into guns blazing and really the sad part is right now they can't even listen when they're posting inaccurate information as they're too busy being right and schooling someone. pinklady just relishes being the 2peas bitch and coming in cursing, so if you don't like that posting style, block her. Thank you for this. Today, I appreciate this more than you’ll ever know. 🌈 (And I’ll fully acknowledge that I have a hard time not responding when things are being attributed to me that I never said/wrote, or being accused of something that the accuser is the one actually doing, I’ll try your suggestion at keeping my thoughts contained to fewer posts) In the post yesterday, I never honestly thought it would go the way it did—especially after the 4th post down. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 15:25:10 GMT
We have pretty much decided that our vacation money will be spent in Blue states. As much as I love FL and Disneyworld we are not going until leadership changes. ❤️🌈🌈🌈 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 15:23:18 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 15:18:24 GMT
I'm sure this is a side effect of my crappy menopausal irritation level being at an all time high. But I'm going to vent big time. And I'm sure I'll be told "if you don't like it just scroll on by" but when the thread title is something simple & seemingly an innocent question, I open it because maybe I can help. And my foul mouth is about to come out.... But holy fuck - I'm SO sick of all the fucking arguing going on around here!!! Every thread seems to turn into an argument. Somebody asked about trip advice - and that turned into a fucking argue fest. TRIP ADVICE! What the hell? This used to be my happy place - a place to learn things from other Peas and laugh at silly things and support those who needed it. But now even a simple thread title that seems innocent enough turns in to a fucking argument. We are all coming off 2 years of lockdowns and stress and stupid crappiness all around. Can we not take it out on each other? Please? Vent over. NO!  Here's the thing, we've had an extended period of time here where a small group has been allowed - either by ignoring, or silently agreeing - to being abusive and rude at the drop of a hat. The tone here has greatly diminished as we allow certain posters to call others crude and disgusting names - all in the fight to be right. And by right, I mean "democrat". There's no room for debate or discussion, and that is certainly proven by the fact that an innocent request for TRAVEL INFORMATION for god's sake bring two of the most heinous offenders into the fray within a couple of posts to demean the OP for her request. Yeah. We're not arguing more, we're being baited more. Its borderline abusive, if you think about it. Make a separate politics board, I guess that would help. Or perhaps not. How ironic —you cannot seem to stop disparaging me over things that YOU ARE MAKING UP. Not once in the post did I disparage or demean the OP. Why is it that you’re allowed to do exactly what this post is the subject of, and what you’re doing on that thread to me (making up things I never said/write/did) then come here, tell a tale and do it all over again? I’m not the one on this thread or the other thread being “heinous, bombastic, disparaging, demeaning” or anything closely resembling that…(however you have been in every post over there). |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 15:08:43 GMT
Yes. Have even had nightmares. There’s a heaviness in my heart and I feel so helpless. I watched a video of a tank running over a civilian in a car. I’ll never forget that image and I dearly wish I hadn’t watched it. I saw that too. There’s another video of that same tank backing up over it again. Ukrainian citizens running to pull the driver out. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 15:07:26 GMT
Not alone.
Tears, constant body aches, more waking with headaches and feeling totally helpless at being able to help in any way.
It’s sad, overwhelming and anxiety filled.
It’s hard to enjoy little good things.
It’s like watching the bad guys in every aspect win all the time.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 27, 2022 15:04:20 GMT
Are they the “pulled themselves up by the bootstraps” thinking?
If so, I’ve encountered people like that where they don’t want to be bothered by the plight of anyone else, only things that affect them directly or that would inconvenience themselves.
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