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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 6:54:01 GMT
So today at the hearing
Jon Ward..
”Professor Harlan said this: "While the president’s son is named Barron, [Trump] can’t make him a baron."
She was making a point about the difference between presidencies and monarchs.”
Which prompted this “outrage” from pence
Kaitlan Collins..
”Vice President Pence says the “impeachment hearings reached a new low” when a witness called by Democrats used “the president and first lady's 13 year old son to justify their partisan impeachment.” “Democrats should be ashamed. Enough is enough,” he says.”
And this from
Mehdi Hasan..
”Every single mainstream media reporter who covers this ridiculous GOP Barron/baron ‘story’ without explaining the whole thing is in bad faith and a GOP lie from start to finish should probably quit journalism and go be an accountant or something...”
Question.
Did Professor Harlan cross the line?
Or is this just manufactured outrage from the GOP to distract from the hearing?
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Post by lucyg on Dec 5, 2019 7:24:20 GMT
I would not have mentioned the kid.
But that doesn’t change the fact that Republicans have nothing to hang onto here besides manufactured outrage.
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Post by PLurker on Dec 5, 2019 7:45:47 GMT
I would not have mentioned the kid. But that doesn’t change the fact that Republicans have nothing to hang onto here besides manufactured outrage. Exactly. Where's all their damn outrage at trump and all the awful he's said and done to children. Big fat hypocrites.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 10:21:08 GMT
Outrage over nothing IMO. The people that are outraged need to think of the historical meaning of Baron. What Prof Harlan said was actually true but I don't think he was referring to the child himself but using the name as an example. Naming your child Barron doesn't make him a Baron but knowing Trump. it was a possibility that the historical name would have some influence on the use of the name as well as from Melania who originally comes from Eastern Europe. There are a lot of Barons in Europe but they are descendants of the Royalty of Europe.
1. a member of a specific rank of nobility, esp in the British Isles
2. (in Europe from the Middle Ages) originally any tenant-in-chief of a king
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 11:01:09 GMT
Inappropriate. She was an expert giving testimony to congress. Barron is a child, has no control over his circumstances, and is not involved in any of the actions being looked at for impeachment. If she wanted to throw in a royalty based dig towards the President a person that intelligent could have come up with something else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 11:23:34 GMT
Inappropriate. She was an expert giving testimony to congress. Barron is a child, has no control over his circumstances, and is not involved in any of the actions being looked at for impeachment. If she wanted to throw in a royalty based dig towards the President a person that intelligent could have come up with something else. She wasn't hitting on the child she was using the name to explain Trumps aspirations of being classed as Royalty.
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Post by janeliz on Dec 5, 2019 11:33:45 GMT
The faux outrage about it is laughable to me. It’s “leave the children out of it” taken to a ridiculous extreme. A witness called by the Democrats brings up a name to make a passing point in a much longer testimony and “enough is enough”? Democrats should be “ashamed”? Jesus H. Christ we are living in a fucked up reality right now.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 5, 2019 11:57:32 GMT
She shouldn’t have mentioned the kid. He’s a minor child. It was a bad joke/riff on his name.
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Post by purplebee on Dec 5, 2019 12:04:48 GMT
Probably shouldn't have referenced the child, but where is the GOP outrage over the many awful things Trump has said - from constant Twitter name calling to mocking the disabled? Nary a peep from any of them. Hypocrites....
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Post by DEX on Dec 5, 2019 12:53:50 GMT
I think if she had said something as banal as, "Barron went to school today" it would have provoked outrage. The GOP will do anything to shift the focus away from what 3 of 4 constitutional scholars have said; trump used his position as President to try to influence the 2020 election. Ultimately, it is in the hands of the GOP, so we know how it will go. Bottom line though is that trump will be impeached. Unfortunately, not removed from office. One of only 3 Presidents impeached. Bill Clinton wasn't even up for election.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 13:10:08 GMT
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Post by schizo319 on Dec 5, 2019 13:30:42 GMT
Probably a little of both.
While I wouldn't say it necessarily "crossed a line" - it was a stupid comment and felt like "reaching" - any speculation about Trump trying to make his presidency a monarchy has no place in the impeachment hearings IMO. I think it's hyperbolic and unhelpful.
And yes, it feels like every single Republican response to the hearings is manufactured outrage.
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2019 13:34:46 GMT
How terrible. It's almost as bad as if she manufactured the entire impeachment process around the president's lie about a consensual sex act, in a political move designed solely to humiliate him, the young woman he had sex with, his wife, and his teenage daughter.
I really feel for Barron. This episode will surely mark the rest of his life.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2019 13:37:21 GMT
Inappropriate. She was an expert giving testimony to congress. Barron is a child, has no control over his circumstances, and is not involved in any of the actions being looked at for impeachment. If she wanted to throw in a royalty based dig towards the President a person that intelligent could have come up with something else. It was crystal clear that she did not ever take a dig towards any child. It was name to title association only.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2019 13:41:22 GMT
She shouldn’t have mentioned the kid. He’s a minor child. It was a bad joke/riff on his name. It wasn’t even a joke or a ruff—not once fid she make any disparaging mention towards any child. It’s no different than saying King James (LeBron) is not ever going to be a king or that Prince (the now deceased rock star) wasn’t really a prince.
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Post by used2scrap on Dec 5, 2019 14:41:16 GMT
It was a dumb thing to do, lobbing the GOP such an easy talking point to feign outrage at.
If only the GOP cared as much about kids slaughtered in schools, or ripped from their parents and held in cages, or stripped of their rights because of sexual orientation or gender identity.
And it’s certainly a valid point given Trump’s anointing of his totally unqualified daughter and SIL into White House positions. It’s not hard to fathom what the GOP outrage would be if Hilary had anointed Chelsea and her husband.
Yes minor children should be off limits, but I find it really hard to be empathetic to Melania after she gave the American taxpayer the middle finger with her “I really don’t care, do you?” stunt.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 5, 2019 16:32:29 GMT
Wait, what? @kettlebell/bluetardis is already gone? Wow. Wonder what the next incarnation will be.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 5, 2019 16:37:27 GMT
I agree with Lucy. I wouldn’t have done it, but it was far from an insult or making fun of him. This is what I was going to mention. Trump himself doesn’t respect the name when he uses it to lie to the media about who he is to make himself look good. So spare us the the false indignation.
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Post by samantha25 on Dec 5, 2019 16:47:04 GMT
She apologized during the hearing for using his name.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2019 17:22:23 GMT
To answer the question....
It is most definitely manufactured outrage on the part of the republicans. They have got no real defense of trumps criminality, so they are getting their panties in a wad over the stupidest shit, lying to try to save themselves, and gaslighting like no time other.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 17:56:19 GMT
Did I miss the GOP, Pence or Melania sticking up for Greta Thunberg, a minor, when her husband mocked her on twitter of all places. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Melania also visited a centre, where a junior Salvation Army band were practising when she was in London. She left a load of her " Be best" leaflets for them. Hypocrisy at the highest level when her husband constantly bullies people over the internet.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Dec 5, 2019 17:59:53 GMT
I really don’t care, do you?
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 5, 2019 18:05:26 GMT
I thought it illustrated her point well and knew immediately it would be the source of outrage. Her statement had nothing to do with Barron and did not use him in any way, it was all about his father.
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Post by papersilly on Dec 5, 2019 19:09:38 GMT
although i get her point, i wouldn't have mentioned the kid either. that was the brick wall to the momentum she had going there.
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Post by sunshine on Dec 5, 2019 19:25:54 GMT
It was just a dumb comment to make but who cares? She's just another left wing activist putting on a rehearsed show for the cameras.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 5, 2019 20:02:19 GMT
I thought it illustrated her point well and knew immediately it would be the source of outrage. Her statement had nothing to do with Barron and did not use him in any way, it was all about his father. Exactly. It was a reference to Trump’s use of the name, not the child himself. Normally I would be up in arms with regard to Barron, but this is not about him, it’s about the name. And I agree, I thought it helped make a point but knew immediately it was something they would grasp on to in order to avoid going under. Because the rest of the testimony/hearing was a really bad look for Trump and the GOP.
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Post by kmcginn on Dec 5, 2019 20:13:06 GMT
Seriously?
I think it was an inappropriate joke, but how can you even say that it was a rehearsed show when the GOP members of these committees have put on the biggest circus ever? How come you don't call them right wing activists - or better yet, right wing buffoons since that's what they act like?
They are showing off to an audience of 1. It's all they have because can't defend the indefensible!
And she DID apologize during the hearings. That's more than Trump has EVER done!
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Post by sunshine on Dec 5, 2019 20:31:29 GMT
Seriously? I think it was an inappropriate joke, but how can you even say that it was a rehearsed show when the GOP members of these committees have put on the biggest circus ever? How come you don't call them right wing activists - or better yet, right wing buffoons since that's what they act like? They are showing off to an audience of 1. It's all they have because can't defend the indefensible! And she DID apologize during the hearings. That's more than Trump has EVER done! This thread was about HER dumb comment. Can nobody stay on script?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 20:41:53 GMT
Seriously? I think it was an inappropriate joke, but how can you even say that it was a rehearsed show when the GOP members of these committees have put on the biggest circus ever? How come you don't call them right wing activists - or better yet, right wing buffoons since that's what they act like? They are showing off to an audience of 1. It's all they have because can't defend the indefensible! And she DID apologize during the hearings. That's more than Trump has EVER done! This thread was about HER dumb comment. Can nobody stay on script?
“She's just another left wing activist putting on a rehearsed show for the cameras.”Apparently you can’t stay on script either because I didn’t ask what one thought of her but if she stepped over the line.
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Post by sunshine on Dec 5, 2019 20:43:19 GMT
This thread was about HER dumb comment. Can nobody stay on script?
“She's just another left wing activist putting on a rehearsed show for the cameras.”Apparently you can’t stay on script either because I didn’t ask what one thought of her but if she stepped over the line. Blah blah blah. This thread was about HER.
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