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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 10:53:22 GMT
I'll just agree with what pjaye and what gillyp said .Occasionally I will turn the fork round to pick peas up on their own and I can't imagine eating most dinners without the need for a knife. I don't know what she's eating but that isn't a hash brown in the UK and whatever it is you wouldn't pick it to shreds like she is doing. IMO she's not Irish either, she's an American trying to put on an Irish accent and doing it badly. She is Irish - she’s a Dublin lass. I think her accent varies because she’s an actress and uses other accents as well. OK but she also has a very distinct American accent in parts of that video too. It was a toss up whether she was Irish adding in an American accent or American adding in an Irish accent. It's neither one or the other IMO.
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Post by phoenixcov on Dec 10, 2019 11:06:06 GMT
It was only last Sunday that three adults said at the same time to the 9 year old, "use your knife and fork properly". He had been putting the knife down and just using the fork to shovel food about. No No No.
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Post by maryannscraps on Dec 10, 2019 11:35:28 GMT
Then how do you cut up the food on your plate I can’t remember the last time I ate something that couldn’t be cut with just the side of my fork. Like the other pea above me said, very few foods actually require a knife. LOL, my mom always got on our case if we tried to cut food with a fork. That's what the knife was for.
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Post by msliz on Dec 10, 2019 11:49:29 GMT
I'm willing to bet you're in the minority of Americans who don't use a knife. Most of my meats are cut up during food prep rather than while it's on the plate. Stir fries, casseroles, stews. Also, meat's expensive, so it's rare that we'll each eat a large portion individually. (I screwed up my post when I was editing out extraneous parts of the quote)
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Post by kibblesandbits on Dec 10, 2019 12:04:34 GMT
Sheeesh that video was hard to watch - she holds her utensils like a baboon. In my European travels I've picked up the habit of eating "continental style". I get comments often here at home from my friends who spend their meals swapping utensils from one hand to the other and using their fork as a kind of shovel. They think it looks weird. I think they look weird. I'm a lefty - continental style works quite well for me!
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 10, 2019 12:09:16 GMT
I can’t remember the last time I ate something that couldn’t be cut with just the side of my fork. Like the other pea above me said, very few foods actually require a knife. You are definitely speaking for yourself here. I struggle with this whole issue of the 'proper' way to hold a knife and fork. Our 'American way' is definitely an anomaly in the world, but it is ingrained in us as children as much as the alternate way is in others. I taught my sons that way at home and it was reinforced at Junior Cotillion. (A weekly 'class' of sorts for proper young men and ladies to learn their manners and social graces.) Yet, when I travel I feel so gauche eating in the way I've been taught my whole life. I suppose it becomes a when-in-Rome thing for me.
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Post by pilcas on Dec 10, 2019 12:23:33 GMT
Unless I’m eating soup, all my meals require a knife, even if it’s only to help scoop the rice or peas into the fork. I hate that Chinese restaurants don’t give you knives so that I end up putting pieces of meat in my mouth that are too big.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Dec 10, 2019 12:25:14 GMT
Another American here who can't recall the last time I used a knife. I don't eat a lot of meat, though, and my veggies are usually either already bite-sized or plenty tender that they're easily cut with the side of my fork.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 13:29:56 GMT
Canadian here - typically, if we have to cut something, we hold the fork in our non-dominant hand, curve down, cut with our dominant hand, stab the thing and put it into our mouth. If we are not stabbing our food (rice, peas, or those hashbrowns she's eating), we turn the fork over so that the curve is towards us.
Sorry, but it doesn't make any ergonomic sense to shovel food onto the back of the fork with your knife. Forks are curved for a reason.
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Post by phoenixcov on Dec 10, 2019 13:35:25 GMT
Not wrong...just different.
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Post by bbkeef on Dec 10, 2019 13:38:45 GMT
Sorry, but it doesn't make any ergonomic sense to shovel food onto the back of the fork with your knife I totally agree. I'm American and have never been taught proper etiquette (I doubt I'm on the list to dine with the queen). As we are discussing this I keep seeing an actual shovel in my head, and picture trying to use the backside of an actual shovel to remove dirt while digging a hole. It just doesn't make sense to me at all. So back to the fork, it just seems super inefficient and archaic to use a tool in a way that makes it harder to be useful. Just my opinion folks, not trying to start an etiquette war.
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Post by milocat on Dec 10, 2019 14:56:26 GMT
Apparently, we Americans are uncouth, ill mannered barbarians. This Canadian will keep you company on your bench because apparently I'm a tines up shovel it in barbarian also. I also keep my fork in my dominant hand will putting my knife in my other, no crazy switching. I always thought I was talented I guess it was just to make me shovel my food faster. Do you place the forks tines down on the table, in eating position? So the pattern of the handle doesn't show?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 15:06:59 GMT
I use my fork tines down through the majority of my meals although I might relax and turn it over for the last few peas But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off?
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Post by craftykitten on Dec 10, 2019 15:12:21 GMT
I use my fork tines down through the majority of my meals although I might relax and turn it over for the last few peas But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off? No, you just smoosh them on to the end of the fork with the knife? If I try the shovel method I just end up chasing them round the plate.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 15:21:12 GMT
But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off? No, you just smoosh them on to the end of the fork with the knife? If I try the shovel method I just end up chasing them round the plate. Do you not just use the knife to push them onto the fork? This is why I use a knife even if I have nothing to cut. I've never had to smoosh my peas nor chase them around my plate.
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 15:21:23 GMT
Maybe this should be a separate topic, but do you also use a fork to eat what most Americans would eat with their hands - pizza, chicken on a bone, corn on the cob, ribs?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:26:45 GMT
I use my fork tines down through the majority of my meals although I might relax and turn it over for the last few peas But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off? It comes back to a discussion we had on here a while back about how you eat your food. Some eat one thing from their plate at a time, other have a little bit of this and a little bit of that on their fork at the same time. So if you have a bite size portion of say roast potato on the end of the fork and you add a few peas to the end of it, they stick together. I only turn my fork over if the peas are all that is left on my plate, then I use my knife to push them on. I guess it becomes easier if that is all you've known and done.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 15:27:33 GMT
Maybe this should be a separate topic, but do you also use a fork to eat what most Americans would eat with their hands - pizza, chicken on a bone, corn on the cob, ribs? My Kiwi friend eats fish and chips with her hands which I find endlessly fascinating. The only time I would eat a piece of fried fish with my hands is if I got it from a chip truck and it was served in a newspaper - if it's served on a plate, I use utensils.
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Post by craftykitten on Dec 10, 2019 15:29:54 GMT
No, you just smoosh them on to the end of the fork with the knife? If I try the shovel method I just end up chasing them round the plate. Do you not just use the knife to push them onto the fork? This is why I use a knife even if I have nothing to cut. I've never had to smoosh my peas nor chase them around my plate. Yes, I use the knife, to smoosh them onto the tines not to push them on to like a shovel. But my fork stays in my left hand, and my knife stays in my right. Am I going to have to do a video? Lol.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 15:32:01 GMT
But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off? It comes back to a discussion we had on here a while back about how you eat your food. Some eat one thing from their plate at a time, other have a little bit of this and a little bit of that on their fork at the same time. So if you have a bite size portion of say roast potato on the end of the fork and you add a few peas to the end of it, they stick together. I only turn my fork over if the peas are all that is left on my plate, then I use my knife to push them on. I guess it becomes easier if that is all you've known and done. But you would eat rice with the concave side, wouldn't you? I love these discussions because eating is one of those things that people tend to give very little thought to until they see someone doing it differently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:34:38 GMT
Maybe this should be a separate topic, but do you also use a fork to eat what most Americans would eat with their hands - pizza, chicken on a bone, corn on the cob, ribs? No, not usually for corn on the cob,pizza and ribs. If I'm in a restaurant having pizza I'll use a knife and fork though. Unless I'm eating chicken drumsticks at a finger food party, then I eat it with my hands. I don't eat chicken on the bone with my hands any other time, certainly not if it's part of my dinner and on my plate with other sides. I use my knife and fork to remove the chicken off the bone.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 15:35:13 GMT
Do you not just use the knife to push them onto the fork? This is why I use a knife even if I have nothing to cut. I've never had to smoosh my peas nor chase them around my plate. Yes, I use the knife, to smoosh them onto the tines not to push them on to like a shovel. But my fork stays in my left hand, and my knife stays in my right. Am I going to have to do a video? Lol. My fork stays in my left hand and my knife in my right too (I'm not American). I think the only difference is that I don't eat things that can't be stabbed with the back of my fork.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:35:17 GMT
Maybe this should be a separate topic, but do you also use a fork to eat what most Americans would eat with their hands - pizza, chicken on a bone, corn on the cob, ribs? My Kiwi friend eats fish and chips with her hands which I find endlessly fascinating. The only time I would eat a piece of fried fish with my hands is if I got it from a chip truck and it was served in a newspaper - if it's served on a plate, I use utensils. Same here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:36:51 GMT
It comes back to a discussion we had on here a while back about how you eat your food. Some eat one thing from their plate at a time, other have a little bit of this and a little bit of that on their fork at the same time. So if you have a bite size portion of say roast potato on the end of the fork and you add a few peas to the end of it, they stick together. I only turn my fork over if the peas are all that is left on my plate, then I use my knife to push them on. I guess it becomes easier if that is all you've known and done. But you would eat rice with the concave side, wouldn't you? I love these discussions because eating is one of those things that people tend to give very little thought to until they see someone doing it differently. Yes, I do eat rice on that side but I would still use my left hand to do so.
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Post by craftykitten on Dec 10, 2019 15:37:16 GMT
Yes, I use the knife, to smoosh them onto the tines not to push them on to like a shovel. But my fork stays in my left hand, and my knife stays in my right. Am I going to have to do a video? Lol. My fork stays in my left hand and my knife in my right too (I'm not American). I think the only difference is that I don't eat things that can't be stabbed with the back of my fork. Honestly, I am beginning to second guess myself now! Maybe I do scoop. I can't remember the last time I ate peas?
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 15:41:55 GMT
But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off? It comes back to a discussion we had on here a while back about how you eat your food. Some eat one thing from their plate at a time, other have a little bit of this and a little bit of that on their fork at the same time. So if you have a bite size portion of say roast potato on the end of the fork and you add a few peas to the end of it, they stick together. I only turn my fork over if the peas are all that is left on my plate, then I use my knife to push them on. I guess it becomes easier if that is all you've known and done. This makes sense. I am one that will usually put only one food item on my fork at a time. So I can see how it is easier to eat peas on the back of the fork if you also have mashed potatoes on the fork to stick the peas to.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 10, 2019 15:43:15 GMT
But you would eat rice with the concave side, wouldn't you? I love these discussions because eating is one of those things that people tend to give very little thought to until they see someone doing it differently. Yes, I do eat rice on that side but I would still use my left hand to do so. Oh, me too - my fork is always in my left hand, my knife always in my right.
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Post by moodyblue on Dec 10, 2019 15:46:38 GMT
But, seriously - how tf does one eat any peas when the tines are pointed at the plate? Do they not roll off? It comes back to a discussion we had on here a while back about how you eat your food. Some eat one thing from their plate at a time, other have a little bit of this and a little bit of that on their fork at the same time. So if you have a bite size portion of say roast potato on the end of the fork and you add a few peas to the end of it, they stick together. I only turn my fork over if the peas are all that is left on my plate, then I use my knife to push them on. I guess it becomes easier if that is all you've known and done. So the fork always stays in your non-dominant hand? That also fascinates me. I’ve cut with the right (dominant hand) and eaten the piece of meat with the fork still in my left hand, tines down, because that does seem efficient. But I can say I’ve never used the fork in the American way, like a shovel as some have said, when it’s in my left hand.
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 15:50:34 GMT
Maybe this should be a separate topic, but do you also use a fork to eat what most Americans would eat with their hands - pizza, chicken on a bone, corn on the cob, ribs? No, not usually for corn on the cob,pizza and ribs. If I'm in a restaurant having pizza I'll use a knife and fork though. Unless I'm eating chicken drumsticks at a finger food party, then I eat it with my hands. I don't eat chicken on the bone with my hands any other time, certainly not if it's part of my dinner and on my plate with other sides. I use my knife and fork to remove the chicken off the bone. I have been to a couple of restaurants (usually BBQ places) that will bring a small bowl of water if you order ribs or chicken on a bone because they know you will use your hands. I’ve tried to eat chicken on a bone with a knife. It is so hard to get all the meat, I have no knife skills. I end up picking up the bone at the end to get the rest of the meat. I know, no manners. Lol!
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Post by KikiPea on Dec 10, 2019 15:57:51 GMT
very few foods actually require a knife. We obviously cook quite different meals and to quite different degrees I cannot imagine being able to eat my the majority of my dinners without a knife. Despite what I said above, smooshing & chasing everything around on your plate with a just a fork would not be seen as an appropriate way to eat here. We hardly ever use a knife.
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