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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 2:20:43 GMT
I am watching this video on YouTube where a gal from Ireland is trying a couple of restaurants in the U.S. What really stands out to me is that she tends to eat off of what I consider the backside of the fork. She struggles to pick up hash browns and I keep thinking to myself, turn the fork around. And she does the same with scrambled eggs later in the video. Do folks in Europe (or anywhere else) generally use what I would call the backside of the fork to eat? Here is a link to the video if you want to see what I mean. youtu.be/GmIxcmVievs
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Post by pilcas on Dec 10, 2019 2:38:23 GMT
She is using the backside to hold down the food while she cuts it. Then she turns it slightly to take it to her mouth, at least she did it in the section I saw, -didn’t watch The Whole thing. That is how I have always seen it done. It looks weird to me if you hold down the food with the front of the fork.
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 2:46:33 GMT
She is using the backside to hold down the food while she cuts it. Then she turns it slightly to take it to her mouth, at least she did it in the section I saw, -didn’t watch The Whole thing. That is how I have always seen it done. It looks weird to me if you hold down the food with the front of the fork. In parts of the video, she is trying to scoop hash browns onto the backside of the fork. That is the part I am curious about. It starts at about the 2:50 mark. And then she does the same thing at IHOP and she evens scoops scrambled eggs onto the back of the fork.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 10, 2019 2:50:09 GMT
Yes, & we eat like that in Australia too...because even though we were shipped here as criminals, we still kept some manners from the old country!
That's considered the correct way - hold the fork in the left hand, tines facing down and then still in the left hand take the food to the mouth. The fork is not turned with the tines facing up at all.
We don't hold the fork in the "carry" position and load food onto it. She only turns the fork in the video because she can't keep the food on her fork the way she usually would.
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 2:53:18 GMT
Yes, & we eat like that in Australia too...because even though we were shipped here as criminals, we still kept some manners from the old country! That's considered the correct way - hold the fork in the left hand, tines facing down and then still in the left hand take the food to the mouth. The fork is not turned with the tines facing up at all. We don't hold the fork in the "carry" position and load food onto it. She only turns the fork in the video because she can't keep it on her fork the way she usually would. Thanks! So does that mean you would also eat small foods like peas or rice the same way? Do you consider the "carry" position to be bad manners?
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Post by pjaye on Dec 10, 2019 3:05:02 GMT
Thanks! So does that mean you would also eat small foods like peas or rice the same way? Do you consider the "carry" position to be bad manners? Mostly yes, sometimes you have to glue the peas in place with some mashed potato though! I don't know what the official etiquette book says, but in real life exceptions are made for some small food like peas and rice. Using the fork like this would be considered bad manners at a formal dinner, and if you are with people all of the same cultural background - but again, in real life no one really cares that much and we have such a mix of cultures that everyone pretty much eats as they want...as long as you aren't doing universally disgusting things like shovelling too much food in at once or talking with your mouth full. On a daily basis, even if I am eating at home alone, this is still how I will eat and how most of my Aussie-born friends will eat. It was definitely ingrained as being the right way when I was a kid & as a child I would have been corrected for holding the fork the other way. I don't have my own kids - so not sure what they are taught as being "correct" now.
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 3:11:55 GMT
Thanks pjaye! That is all so very interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 3:20:58 GMT
That is the correct way to hold the fork. I am from up-state ny and I had really never pay attention to how people held their utensils until watching my husband’s sister in law eat. Oh holy shit I never saw anybody use a fork like a manure shovel before!
You can turn the fork over and push peas on to the tubes with the butter knife.
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Post by birdgate on Dec 10, 2019 3:32:57 GMT
She's making me nervous watching all the food fall from her fork. She looks like a newbie using chop sticks for the first time. Funnily this is the way I learned how to eat as a kid and preteen growing up because I went to a local girls 'finishing school' at a local department store in SoCal. I didn't know I was doing anything 'wrong' until I would stay over at my great aunt's house and she would scold me for the way I was using my fork. I thought it was normal. My parents never said anything. She had this red chinoiserie bar to the side of her kitchen where she'd be in and out sipping her sauce while pointing her finger at me. lol
However today I notice I only eat that way if I'm eating something like steak or waffles. I'm hybrid forking I guess.
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Post by christine58 on Dec 10, 2019 3:43:39 GMT
I was more annoyed by her seemingly fake Irish accent and the continuous comments about this isn’t an Irish sausage etc . I think the whole thing is stupid
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Post by moodyblue on Dec 10, 2019 3:51:15 GMT
I Googled and watched several videos and read some descriptions.
Interestingly, a couple sources say that the American way of holding the knife and fork are what was brought over from England, and that the European way was adopted later by England. I honestly don’t know if this is true or not.
I do get how it’s more efficient to keep the fork in the left hand after cutting your food and eat from the fork with the tines down. But I have a hard time seeing how eating off the back of the fork makes sense when eating things like rice or peas; tines upward would be easier or more logical - to me. And if you’re not needing to cut your food with a knife, holding the fork in the right hand makes sense to me. I’m wondering if people in other countries use their knife much more than we Americans do. I do remember being taught that you keep your other hand in your lap when eating, unless you need to use the knife and then need two hands.
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Post by pancakes on Dec 10, 2019 3:54:53 GMT
I thought the correct way to eat with a fork and knife was with the fork upside down in the left hand, knife in the right hand (like she does). BUT when you are done cutting, you put down your knife, take the fork with your right hand, turn it right side up, grab the food, and transfer it to your mouth.
If you needed help getting food onto the fork, you’d use the knife to help scoop it onto the tines (right side up, fork still in left hand), then you’d still transfer the fork with the food into your right hand to eat.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 10, 2019 3:57:18 GMT
I thought the correct way to eat with a fork and knife was with the fork upside down in the left hand, knife in the right hand (like she does). BUT when you are done cutting, you put down your knife, take the fork with your right hand, turn it right side up, grab the food, and transfer it to your mouth. That's the "American" way
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Post by katlady on Dec 10, 2019 4:03:13 GMT
I’m wondering if people in other countries use their knife much more than we Americans do. I do remember being taught that you keep your other hand in your lap when eating, unless you need to use the knife and then need two hands. Yes! I eat many meals where I don't even use a knife. And we were always told to keep our other hand off the table, unless needed.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 10, 2019 5:31:31 GMT
I’m wondering if people in other countries use their knife much more than we Americans do. I do remember being taught that you keep your other hand in your lap when eating, unless you need to use the knife and then need two hands. Yes! I eat many meals where I don't even use a knife. And we were always told to keep our other hand off the table, unless needed. Yes. I feel like this must be the case. We never even put knives on the table at home and the only reason to use one at a restaurant is to spread butter 🤣
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Post by tincin on Dec 10, 2019 5:37:17 GMT
Apparently, we Americans are uncouth, ill mannered barbarians.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 10, 2019 5:40:57 GMT
We never even put knives on the table at home and the only reason to use one at a restaurant is to spread butter Then how do you cut up the food on your plate
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Post by myshelly on Dec 10, 2019 6:02:07 GMT
We never even put knives on the table at home and the only reason to use one at a restaurant is to spread butter Then how do you cut up the food on your plate I can’t remember the last time I ate something that couldn’t be cut with just the side of my fork. Like the other pea above me said, very few foods actually require a knife.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 10, 2019 7:31:36 GMT
very few foods actually require a knife. We obviously cook quite different meals and to quite different degrees I cannot imagine being able to eat my the majority of my dinners without a knife. Despite what I said above, smooshing & chasing everything around on your plate with a just a fork would not be seen as an appropriate way to eat here.
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Post by craftykitten on Dec 10, 2019 8:30:27 GMT
She's using her fork the "right" way to me, but she is holding it awkwardly. I would have my left index finger pointing down the fork and putting pressure to cut, she seems to have her hand sideways? I couldnt watch the whole thing because I cant stand watching people eat.
Also, i think your hash browns are different from ours. Here they are usually one largish triangle, not lots of small pieces.
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Post by gar on Dec 10, 2019 8:38:59 GMT
I use my fork tines down through the majority of my meals although I might relax and turn it over for the last few peas
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Post by gillyp on Dec 10, 2019 9:21:28 GMT
I thought the correct way to eat with a fork and knife was with the fork upside down in the left hand, knife in the right hand (like she does). BUT when you are done cutting, you put down your knife, take the fork with your right hand, turn it right side up, grab the food, and transfer it to your mouth. If you needed help getting food onto the fork, you’d use the knife to help scoop it onto the tines (right side up, fork still in left hand), then you’d still transfer the fork with the food into your right hand to eat. Woe betide me if I ate like this growing up! I can still hear my mother saying “use your fork properly, it is not a shovel”. However nowadays a meal of, say, curry and rice or mac and cheese would be eaten your way. The handles of the cutlery should be placed in the palms too, not rested over the top of the hand like a pen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:33:06 GMT
She's using her fork the right way. Using it in the way some of you are describing is bad manners and would have warranted a thick ear growing up! by her seemingly fake Irish accent Why would you think her accent is fake? She's Irish so that's an Irish accent.
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Post by johna on Dec 10, 2019 9:39:26 GMT
I don't think that it looks right to put your fork down and switch hands just to put the food in your mouth. I'm left-handed, though, so it's never been on my radar, I guess.
I do use a knife to cut my meat, and sometimes I keep my fork tines-down, but I do normally use my fork the other way when eating things that need to be picked up. It does seem pretty awkward to try to balance something like shredded hashbrowns on the back of the fork.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 10:01:15 GMT
I'll just agree with what pjaye and what gillyp said .Occasionally I will turn the fork round to pick peas up on their own and I can't imagine eating most dinners without the need for a knife. I don't know what she's eating but that isn't a hash brown in the UK and whatever it is you wouldn't pick it to shreds like she is doing. IMO she's not Irish either, she's an American trying to put on an Irish accent and doing it badly.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 10, 2019 10:09:29 GMT
I don't think that it looks right to put your fork down and switch hands just to put the food in your mouth. I'm left-handed, though, so it's never been on my radar, I guess. I do use a knife to cut my meat, and sometimes I keep my fork tines-down, but I do normally use my fork the other way when eating things that need to be picked up. It does seem pretty awkward to try to balance something like shredded hashbrowns on the back of the fork. Me too, fellow lefty.
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Post by uksue on Dec 10, 2019 10:15:48 GMT
I'll just agree with what pjaye and what gillyp said .Occasionally I will turn the fork round to pick peas up on their own and I can't imagine eating most dinners without the need for a knife. I don't know what she's eating but that isn't a hash brown in the UK and whatever it is you wouldn't pick it to shreds like she is doing. IMO she's not Irish either, she's an American trying to put on an Irish accent and doing it badly. She is Irish - she’s a Dublin lass. I think her accent varies because she’s an actress and uses other accents as well.
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Post by joelise on Dec 10, 2019 10:27:24 GMT
I use my knife and fork in the same way she does. Like the other UK peas it was drummed in to me as a child. Although there are a few exceptions, I only ever use a fork for eating pasta and risotto.
I couldn’t watch much of that video as I found her really annoying.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 10, 2019 10:28:04 GMT
Yes, & we eat like that in Australia too...because even though we were shipped here as criminals, we still kept some manners from the old country! That's considered the correct way - hold the fork in the left hand, tines facing down and then still in the left hand take the food to the mouth. The fork is not turned with the tines facing up at all. We don't hold the fork in the "carry" position and load food onto it. She only turns the fork in the video because she can't keep the food on her fork the way she usually would. pjaye is 100% correct. Using the back of the fork is the correct way to hold the fork. OMG, my mum would kill me if I used the fork the wrong way and scooped food like a savage! I can’t remember the last time I ate something that couldn’t be cut with just the side of my fork. Like the other pea above me said, very few foods actually require a knife. I take it you don't eat steak? Or roast beef/lamb? I mean, I guess technically you could "cut" off bits of a chicken schnitzel with just a fork, but why would you? That's what a knife is for. I'm willing to bet you're in the minority of Americans who don't use a knife.
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Post by wellway on Dec 10, 2019 10:30:58 GMT
The YouTuber is Irish, has a whole youtube, facebook, etc going on. Have seen her in a lot of things, her Dublin accent is definitely less obvious in this video than others.
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