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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 14:42:32 GMT
"Christians should advocate for President Donald J. Trump’s conviction and removal from office by the Senate. While Trump has an excellent record of appointing conservative judges and advancing a prolife agenda, his criminal conduct endangers the Constitution. The Constitution is more important than the prolife cause because without the Constitution, prolife advocacy would be meaningless. The fact that we live in a democratic republic is what enables us to turn our prolife convictions from private opinion into public advocacy. In other systems of government, the government does not care what its citizens think or believe. Only when the government is forced to take counsel from its citizens through elections, representation, and majoritarian rule do our opinions count. Our democratic Constitution — adopted to “secure the blessings of liberty” for all Americans — is what guarantees that our voice matters. Without it, we can talk about the evils of abortion until we are blue in the face and it will never affect abortion policy one iota. The Constitution — with its guarantees of free speech, free assembly, the right to petition the government, regular elections, and the peaceful transfer of power — is the only thing that forces the government to listen to us.
Trump’s behavior is a threat to our Constitutional order. The facts behind his impeachment show that he abused a position of public trust for private gain, the definition of corruption and abuse of power. More worryingly, he refused to comply with Congress’s power to investigate his conduct, a fundamental breach of the checks and balances that is the bedrock of our Constitutional order." Yeah, that. Moronic thinking to put ANY issue above the Constitution. Once a strong man shreds it by ignoring it, threatening people who challenge him w/jail or death squads, rewards his buddies w/government money, it's GONE!. www.christianpost.com/voice/convict-trump-the-constitution-is-more-important-than-abortion.html
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Post by librarylady on Dec 26, 2019 15:21:09 GMT
So now we have 2 Evangelical Christian publications calling for his ouster.
Is the tide turning?
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Post by casii on Dec 26, 2019 15:39:11 GMT
Sojourners has always been in vocal opposition to Trump.
Red Letter Christians has also come out in support of impeachment and more are signing onto their statement.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 26, 2019 15:52:42 GMT
I have said if he is reelected our democracy will be gone!
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Post by Merge on Dec 26, 2019 15:56:31 GMT
So now we have 2 Evangelical Christian publications calling for his ouster. Is the tide turning? Doubtful. Skeptical me says that the evangelical churches are alarmed at the numbers of younger members they're hemmorhaging and trying to do some damage control.
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Post by mom on Dec 26, 2019 16:01:07 GMT
So now we have 2 Evangelical Christian publications calling for his ouster. Is the tide turning? Doubtful. Skeptical me says that the evangelical churches are alarmed at the numbers of younger members they're hemmorhaging and trying to do some damage control. I agree, completely. They aren’t changing - they’re seeing their membership dropping.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 16:13:18 GMT
Doubtful. Skeptical me says that the evangelical churches are alarmed at the numbers of younger members they're hemmorhaging and trying to do some damage control. I agree, completely. They aren’t changing - they’re seeing their membership dropping. Agreed. And by their fruits, they deserve it, imo. I believe Jesus wouldn't recognize what they've perverted his message into.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 16:20:56 GMT
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Post by peasapie on Dec 26, 2019 16:34:03 GMT
I agree, completely. They aren’t changing - they’re seeing their membership dropping. Agreed. And by their fruits, they deserve it, imo. I believe Jesus wouldn't recognize what they've perverted his message into. Are Evangelicals part of this graph? I see Catholics and Protestants. I don't know much about Evangelicals in particular, other than they seem to be the group that singly helped Trump over the election hump. Are they losing members along with the Catholics, Protestants and other organized religions?
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Post by Pahina722 on Dec 26, 2019 16:45:37 GMT
Agreed. And by their fruits, they deserve it, imo. I believe Jesus wouldn't recognize what they've perverted his message into. Are Evangelicals part of this graph? I see Catholics and Protestants. I don't know much about Evangelicals in particular, other than they seem to be the group that singly helped Trump over the election hump. Are they losing members along with the Catholics, Protestants and other organized religions? Evangelicals are a subset of Protestants.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 26, 2019 17:15:00 GMT
From a piece about the above... (there may be an issue with names of the publications. In the OP the link is for The Christian Post. I am not sure it is the same as The Christian Post and the piece below. Not nice to confuse an old lady here!!) ** "When I was told this would be the position of the paper, of the news site, I said that's not something I can support," Napp Nazworth, who announced on Monday that he had resigned from The Christian Post, told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day." ** "We've never sounded like that before. That's not the types of positions we take in the past," Nazworth told CNN on Thursday, adding that his former employer's position on impeachment sounds like "some odd sort of conspiratorial thinking." He also likened the Christian news website to the far-right website Breitbart, which is supportive of the President and his policies. Nazworth brought up how the editors had all worked together previously on an anti-Trump editorial in 2016 with the headline "Donald Trump is a scam.""We all agreed back then and understood who Donald Trump was," Nazworth said. "I didn't change my mind about Donald Trump, but some of the other editors did." "I'm worried now that without me there, that, you know it will no longer be a place that presents the alternative view to team Trump and the evangelicals who support him," Nazworth said. He added that he didn't want to leave. "I warned them. If you go down this road and join team Trump, then that will destroy the reputation of The Christian Post," Nazworth said, adding, "We had reached the impasse and I really had no other choice but to leave." ** More at link: www.cnn.com/2019/12/26/politics/napp-nazworth-christian-editor-trump-cnntv/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 15:01:09 GMT
"White evangelical protestants declined as a proportion of the U.S. population between 2006 and 2018, falling to 15% from 23%, according to analysis by the Public Religion Research Institute. Higher-than-average voter turnout among evangelicals means the group still represents more than a quarter of the U.S. electorate, but a failure to draw young worshippers means their electoral heft is set to diminish, said Robert P. Jones, chief executive and founder of PRRI. The median age of white evangelicals and white Christians overall is 55, according to PRRI data, compared with 44 for the overall white population.The evangelical church’s “singular focus” on same sex marriage, relationships and abortion is failing to engage younger generations, said Randall Balmer, a professor of religion at Dartmouth University, and a former editor at Christianity Today. "
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-religion/christianity-todays-split-with-trump-highlights-deeper-issue-in-white-evangelical-america-idUSKBN1YX09N
Glory!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 29, 2019 16:21:49 GMT
The evangelical church’s “singular focus” on same sex marriage, relationships and abortion is failing to engage younger generations, said Randall Balmer, a professor of religion at Dartmouth University, and a former editor at Christianity Today. " Thankfully!
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 29, 2019 16:58:03 GMT
The evangelical church’s “singular focus” on same sex marriage, relationships and abortion is failing to engage younger generations, said Randall Balmer, a professor of religion at Dartmouth University, and a former editor at Christianity Today. " Thankfully! Unfortunately, they could drop to 10% and it won’t matter as long as Trump wins the next election. He has already filled something like 25% of all federal judicial positions, and if he wins another term, it will be more. Add those numbers to the conservatives already in the courts, and you have solid conservative control of the judicial system with an extreme lean right. And to make matters worse, he has appointed very young judges who may be there 30, 40 years or more. The goal is to have a conservative judiciary that will declare legislation supporting abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, and social support systems unconstitutional. It will take a long time to reverse this result. They know they are losing the hearts and minds of the younger generation, and this is their way of stacking the deck to make sure “God’s plan” continues long past the demise of the evangelical movement. The purity test approach to picking a democratic candidate plays right into conservatives hands. There is NOTHING more important at stake in this next election than the appointment of judges. If Trump wins again, it wont matter how progressive the next Democrat president is, or how blue the House/ Senate are—anything they pass will be deemed unconstitutional and will never help anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 18:01:05 GMT
Unfortunately, they could drop to 10% and it won’t matter as long as Trump wins the next election. He has already filled something like 25% of all federal judicial positions, and if he wins another term, it will be more. Add those numbers to the conservatives already in the courts, and you have solid conservative control of the judicial system with an extreme lean right. And to make matters worse, he has appointed very young judges who may be there 30, 40 years or more. The goal is to have a conservative judiciary that will declare legislation supporting abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, and social support systems unconstitutional. It will take a long time to reverse this result. They know they are losing the hearts and minds of the younger generation, and this is their way of stacking the deck to make sure “God’s plan” continues long past the demise of the evangelical movement. The purity test approach to picking a democratic candidate plays right into conservatives hands. There is NOTHING more important at stake in this next election than the appointment of judges. If Trump wins again, it wont matter how progressive the next Democrat president is, or how blue the House/ Senate are—anything they pass will be deemed unconstitutional and will never help anyone. That’s why I vow to Vote Blue. NO Matter Who
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 29, 2019 18:29:59 GMT
The purity test approach to picking a democratic candidate plays right into conservatives hands. There is NOTHING more important at stake in this next election than the appointment of judges. If Trump wins again, it wont matter how progressive the next Democrat president is, or how blue the House/ Senate are—anything they pass will be deemed unconstitutional and will never help anyone. All the more reason to focus on winning the Senate and adding to the House to have more control.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 30, 2019 21:17:24 GMT
More more more................. Do I need to get my Bible out to check these passages? ** No matter how hard the rightwing media is trying to spin the upcoming Evangelicals for Trump rally in Miami as a good thing, everyone outside the cult knows it’s a scream of panic. I can’t describe how desperate this all is: it would be like Hillary Clinton forced to hold a “Feminists for Hillary” rally. If you don’t have your base locked up by now, you are in real trouble. You can always sense Trump’s desperation by the quality and quantity of his tweets. (Lots of misspellings, strange capitalization, tons of retweets, and healthy doses of “!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”) ** No matter how many affairs or divorces he’s had, no matter his extensive history of scamming the poor and elderly, and no matter how many charities he’s stolen from, they believe that he’s divinely sent. Alleged sexual assault, adultery with porn stars, pornography, profanity, extreme greed, corruption, and worst of all, the sociopathic inability to ask for forgiveness—a core tenet of Christianity—are the qualities God apparently looks for in picking a prophet now. Trump is essentially David Koresh, and the duped evangelicals are the Branch Davidians. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone who’s not sucked into this cult. I can’t argue logic with them, although it’s fun to try. When they tell me I shouldn't ever question our “ruler,” I remind them that they never said that when Obama was president—and his victory was unquestionably legitimate. Using their stupid logic, you would have to also admit that the Founding Fathers were all sinners for revolting against King George. He was not just the ruler, but Great Britain decreed that all of their kings spoke for God. No, the argument I use with them isn’t logic, but religion. When they tell me that they believe Trump is divinely inspired, or even “the Chosen One”—and they do—I agree with them. However, the Bible speaks of the Chosen One in two contexts. The first is the Messiah. But there is another, which is prophesized by several of the apostles in the New Testament. There will be a “man of sin” who is such a “wicked liar” that he will deceive millions of followers that he is a prophet, and will declare himself sent by heaven. He will declare himself a “Chosen One,” but he will be the opposite of Christ. Trump shares claim he is 'heaven sent' and suggests Obama 'kicked Je… Donald Trump has promoted a post claiming he is “heaven sent” and suggesting Barack Obama “kicked” Jesus out of the US in a string of tweets just days after Christmas. The Book of Revelation speaks of people who claim to be followers of Christ being deceived into accepting a twisted version of Christianity—one that directly opposes the teaches of the true Savior. The Prosperity Gospel preaches that the rich are blessed and the poor are condemned. This is completely at odds with every book of the New Testament, where Jesus speaks of the evils of excess wealth. Jesus is Lord, and he was born poor and died poor. He never said one word on abortion or homosexuality, two things that existed in his time period, but he darn sure said a lot about materialism and greed. The Apostle John wrote about this “false prophet” at the end of time. In 1 John 4, he says it’s easy to tell that a prophet is fake as he won’t acknowledge Jesus or his teachings. That sounds a bit familiar. Trump is the antithesis of everything Jesus has preached—love they neighbor, help the poor, be humble and seek forgiveness. Trump can’t even name a single bible passage and refuses to learn. The false “Chosen One” is prophesied to come before Jesus returns, and the Bible helpfully gives many character descriptions.*In 2 Thessalonians, it describes a “man of lawlessness” who believes he is above the law. It also says he will repeatedly exalt himself, and proclaim himself a prophet. *In 2 Timothy, it describes the false prophet as not telling his followers the truth, but telling them what their “itching ears want to hear” (It’s OK—even good—to hate.) *In Revelation 13, it describes the pure evil as having the “mouth of a lion” and the “temperament of a dragon.” He will attract “worldwide attention,” and his followers will scream that no one is like him and that no one can challenge him. *In 9 Daniel, he promises to be Israel’s savior, but it will be a lie I’m not saying Donald Trump is the anti-Christ. All I’m saying is if you are going to argue with me that Donald is the Chosen One, I am just going to agree with you—but not the one you’re thinking of. Donald Trump is no messiah, but the Book you claim to love certainly nails down Donald perfectly, no? How about instead of “Read the Transcript,” you “Read the Bible”? I’d be happy if you actually read just one of those. By the way, if you do ever decide to crack open that Book, might I recommend one more passage? Jeremiah 22:3 This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been oppressed. Do no wrong or mistreat the foreigner, the refugee or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place. ** www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/12/29/1902175/-The-evangelical-meeting-that-convinced-Trump-he-is-the-Chosen-One-and-why-I-believe-it-to-be-true?utm_campaign=trendingLots and lots more to think about!! More at link!!
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Post by inkedup on Dec 30, 2019 21:41:14 GMT
revirdsuba99 , I've been saying bv this for a long time. I am an atheist, but I've read the bible, and Trump is the Antichrist in this story if you believe it 😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 22:54:42 GMT
revirdsuba99 , I've been saying bv this for a long time. I am an atheist, but I've read the bible, and Trump is the Antichrist in this story if you believe it 😂
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Post by Montannie on Dec 30, 2019 22:57:59 GMT
revirdsuba99 , I've been saying bv this for a long time. I am an atheist, but I've read the bible, and Trump is the Antichrist in this story if you believe it 😂 So, through June 2020, then we're done?? Hoping against hope . . .
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Post by Just T on Dec 30, 2019 23:00:19 GMT
So, through June 2020, then we're done? ? That is what I was going to say! One can hope!
Though what happens after the 42 months??
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 30, 2019 23:38:12 GMT
Though what happens after the 42 months?? Pence, unless dt takes Pence down with him!
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Post by Montannie on Dec 30, 2019 23:40:26 GMT
So, through June 2020, then we're done? ? That is what I was going to say! One can hope!
Though what happens after the 42 months??
It's not good, if you read the bible literally. I don't.
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