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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 17:06:56 GMT
I believe that when you are in the presence of God, earthly things won’t matter to you. You will be at ultimate peace.
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Post by Rhondito on Dec 28, 2019 17:21:58 GMT
Then why do people, including pastors, etc., say we'll see our departed loved ones when we get to heaven? If this is true then I'm very upset - I want to see my daddy again and have always been told and believed that I would.
I was really bothered by your post because I would never want to devestatw someone with my beliefs. I apologize deeply for that. I got out my bible and catechism to back my words up with scripture that I believe in. I hope it brings you peace. I read the new living translation will we recognize people in heaven?While our heavenly bodies may resemble our earthly bodies, we will in some ways be like the angels. Matthew 22:23-33 That same day some Sadducees stepped forward—a group of Jews who say there is no resurrection after death. They posed this question: “teacher,Moses said, ‘if a man dies without children, his brother should marry the widow and have a child who will be the brothers heir’ well, there were seven brothers. The oldest married and then died without children, so the second brother married the widow. This brother also died without children and the wife was married to the next brother, and so on until she had been the wife of each of them. And then she also died. So tell us, whose wife will she be in the resurrection? For she was the wife of all seven of them!” Jesus replied, “your problem is that you don’t know the scriptures and you don’t know the power of God. For when the dead rise, they won’t be married. They will be like the angels in heaven. But now, as to whether there will be a resurrection of the dead—haven’t you ever read about this in the Scriptures? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So He is the God of the living, not the dead.” When the crowds heard him, they were impressed with his teaching. End bible quote. So my belief is that our loved ones are not dead, they are alive with God in Heaven. They don’t know sadness, so they can’t miss us or wait for us. And the same will be true when we cross over. We won’t know to miss our children or pets. This is actually the only way I know how to cope with my grief. I’ve lost people way before their time. I’m currently knee deep in missing my brother whose funeral was one year ago today. I can barely drag myself out of bed. So I get it. And again, I did not mean to upset you. I deeply apologize for that. Oh please don't apologize or feel badly! I've just never heard this before and it threw me a bit, but you did nothing to worry yourself over. Thank you for taking the time to quote the scripture - it helped me to better understand .
I'm sorry about your brother; I know those anniversaries can be so very hard, bringing your grief right back to the surface. I'll be praying for you today.
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Post by cristelina on Dec 28, 2019 17:52:15 GMT
None of that is what Evangelical Christianity teaches. I’m sorry you’ve experienced that. Thank you. I really appreciate your comment. Please read the following statement knowing that it was not ALL the teachers I worked with. There were a few teachers I encountered that were simply amazing human beings and represented what I view as an Evangelical Christian. Most of the teachers, including me, were ordinary. Really kind and awesome sometimes, pretty ornery other times. I was a teacher for 16 years in Wheaton, Il-the bible belt of the midwest. Had I known this before I accepted the job, I never would have taught there. Because most of the teachers in that district are 100% Wheaton, (born there, went to college there, married someone who went to college there, live there as adults) I became very very cynical about Evangelicals. On the one hand they preached the bible and being Godly, on the other they could be so hateful towards my poor little ESL students. And to each other. I know that people are people. I worked in three different districts before Wheaton and teachers there acted the same way. It was the hypocrisy of "Oh, look I read the bible and go to Wheaton Bible Church so I am close to God" . And then the next day saying something very racist and mean about our students of color.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 28, 2019 20:01:32 GMT
I found I sleep much better at night no longer believing in heaven and hell. I was raised in a religion with a rigid standard and different levels of heaven and hell in the afterlife. If I'm judged by those standards, I'm going into outer darkness (the worst of the worst in hell). That's okay. I never loved the concept of the top tier of heaven.
The one thing that bothered me when I was religious is the ease of forgiveness in some religions. Confess your sins on your death bed, you're good to go to heaven. Commit a lifetime of terrible sin and it's okay. I know you aren't supposed to judge; blah, blah, blah. It's between them and God. But come on! How many people have converted to Christianity in prison? I have zero desire to spend an eternal life with a bunch of assholes. At least in hell, you know where everyone stands.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 28, 2019 20:05:40 GMT
My own question...What if you are married twice (say the first spouse died, the marriage did not end in divorce), which one do you spend eternity with? This depends on your religion. Orthodox Christianity teaches that there is no marriage in Heaven, for all such relationships are designed to teach us about the divine. Since we will be with Him in Heaven, there is no need for “shadows” of the real thing. ETA: that’s not to say our loved ones will be unfamiliar to us-just that the same kinds of relationship don’t exist there. My former religion says you must be married in order to live in the presence of God. If you are a man and the first wife died, you would have two wives in heaven. IF they were both temple marriages. If you were a woman and this happened, you are only sealed to one man. If your husband is unworthy or you remained single, they will assign you one in heaven. No wonder I don't believe any religion is true.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 28, 2019 20:21:28 GMT
I want to see my daddy again and have always been told and believed that I would. This is what leaves me open to it being a possibility. I did have a dream where my dad told me none of it matters (religion). I'm happy here.
It was probably my wishful thinking because my religious relatives have other ideas of eternity.
I've come to the conclusion if it was true Jesus was perfect and humble, he wouldn't want constant worship. He wouldn't want ornate buildings dedicated to him. He'd want people to serve by example. He wouldn't care about churches. He'd rather them be a place to meet, make plans, and DO things. I've found modern religion focuses more on worship than service.
The religion and the way I was raised by my parents are so different from the way it is today. I was taught you serve, keep it quiet, stay humble, and not expect praise. You'll get your rewards in heaven. So many religions today are # praising the lord or whatever to the whole world. It feels so disingenuous.
I realize my opinion is colored based on the way I was raised but that is how I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 21:58:45 GMT
None of that is what Evangelical Christianity teaches. I’m sorry you’ve experienced that. Thank you. I really appreciate your comment. Please read the following statement knowing that it was not ALL the teachers I worked with. There were a few teachers I encountered that were simply amazing human beings and represented what I view as an Evangelical Christian. Most of the teachers, including me, were ordinary. Really kind and awesome sometimes, pretty ornery other times. I was a teacher for 16 years in Wheaton, Il-the bible belt of the midwest. Had I known this before I accepted the job, I never would have taught there. Because most of the teachers in that district are 100% Wheaton, (born there, went to college there, married someone who went to college there, live there as adults) I became very very cynical about Evangelicals. On the one hand they preached the bible and being Godly, on the other they could be so hateful towards my poor little ESL students. And to each other. I know that people are people. I worked in three different districts before Wheaton and teachers there acted the same way. It was the hypocrisy of "Oh, look I read the bible and go to Wheaton Bible Church so I am close to God" . And then the next day saying something very racist and mean about our students of color. It hurts my heart so much to read that. I don't doubt what you said one bit, nor, ashamedly, is it a stretch of my imagination to picture it happening. I've witnessed the ugliness you describe and it wounds me deeply. I mean it when I say I'm so sorry you experienced that. That being said, my point is that none of that is actually inline with orthodox Christian teachings. Those who teach those things are not preaching or practicing true Christianity, IMO. I'm not doubting that they say/do those things. I'm saying it isn't true Christianity to do so.
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Post by wezee on Dec 29, 2019 1:42:13 GMT
good question
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Post by homeschoolmom on Dec 30, 2019 3:34:22 GMT
Then why do people, including pastors, etc., say we'll see our departed loved ones when we get to heaven? If this is true then I'm very upset - I want to see my daddy again and have always been told and believed that I would.
I better see my pets and grandparents when I get to Heaven or I will be heading right back out the door. No way am I spending eternity without my beloved pets. In all seriousness though, I think everyone is in their own version of Heaven. I don’t think we will all be mingling around like a ginormous cocktail party, it would be too crowded and confusing. I think we will be with who we want to be with and where we want to be. Everyone’s Heaven will be different, imho. What if the person I want to be with doesn't want to be with me? Or vice versa?
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