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Post by edie3 on Dec 27, 2019 22:55:21 GMT
My mind was wandering and I thought of this. My uncle molested a close family member when they were little. He is dead now, so thats good. His daughter died recently and I wondered when she got to heaven, would she wonder where her father was? Assuming he did not ask for forgiveness, and is in hell as I hope.
Bizarre mind wandering, I know.
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Post by stumpedagainof3 on Dec 27, 2019 23:02:00 GMT
I think these things all the time.
Will she be sad that her Dad is not there?
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Post by edie3 on Dec 27, 2019 23:02:49 GMT
I think these things all the time. Glad I am not the only one thinking these things. |
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Post by nlwilkins on Dec 27, 2019 23:06:17 GMT
My faith tells me that heaven is a wonderful place and my trust is that whatever the answer, it bee a good answer and I will be fine with the answer. This is called blind faith to the extreme. I get asked about pets and will they be there. The answer is the same. Whatever God has worked out about our pets will be fine as heaven is an awesome place and we will be gloriously happy there.
So goes any of the questions we might have. I don't need to know the answers. I just know that the solutions/answers have been worked out and we will be happy with them.
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Post by breetheflea on Dec 27, 2019 23:10:58 GMT
My own question...What if you are married twice (say the first spouse died, the marriage did not end in divorce), which one do you spend eternity with?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 23:11:36 GMT
I believe in Heaven we will be purified and be able to see things from the perspective God and his holiness, so we will be able to understand why people are in their respective places.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 23:12:55 GMT
My own question...What if you are married twice (say the first spouse died, the marriage did not end in divorce), which one do you spend eternity with? This depends on your religion. Orthodox Christianity teaches that there is no marriage in Heaven, for all such relationships are designed to teach us about the divine. Since we will be with Him in Heaven, there is no need for “shadows” of the real thing. ETA: that’s not to say our loved ones will be unfamiliar to us-just that the same kinds of relationship don’t exist there. |
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Post by KikiPea on Dec 27, 2019 23:37:01 GMT
My own question...What if you are married twice (say the first spouse died, the marriage did not end in divorce), which one do you spend eternity with? From what I’ve been taught, marriage is not recognized in Heaven, so neither. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 23:51:20 GMT
My own question...What if you are married twice (say the first spouse died, the marriage did not end in divorce), which one do you spend eternity with? Jesus response to the same question (Matthew 22: 23) 23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?” 29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. |
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 27, 2019 23:56:15 GMT
I do not believe in either heaven or hell but I opened this thread because I am interested in what other's views are. I imagine you are looking for a literal, easily understood view of what happens presuming there is heaven and hell. That will differ based on the beliefs of who you ask and what makes sense to them.
For myself, if he is dead, and she is dead, they will never have any further contact.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 28, 2019 0:10:16 GMT
Perhaps each person experiences their own version of heaven/hell. That way people who hate each other, but both get to heaven don't see each other.
Or maybe it is just a feeling.
Personally, I dislike the notion of a traditional heaven/hell and the path to it. My understanding is that if you repent and ask forgiveness, that means that serial killers, child abusers, rapists can all get to heaven. I don't like that.
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Post by julie5 on Dec 28, 2019 0:26:51 GMT
I was taught (and I believe) thT we won’t recognize anyone in heaven. Well all be brothers and sisters with God.
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Post by edie3 on Dec 28, 2019 0:28:28 GMT
thanks for the different perspectives.
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Post by mustlovecats on Dec 28, 2019 0:34:13 GMT
My mind was wandering and I thought of this. My uncle molested a close family member when they were little. He is dead now, so thats good. His daughter died recently and I wondered when she got to heaven, would she wonder where her father was? Assuming he did not ask for forgiveness, and is in hell as I hope. Bizarre mind wandering, I know. I’m not sure how it works, but I believe that in heaven, the things that devastated us in our mortal bodies can no longer harm us in our eternal ones. I can’t comprehend how this can be made right, but I believe that God is big enough and good enough to do it. |
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Dec 28, 2019 1:14:02 GMT
I've wondered that sort of thing too. Like, I'm sure DH would want to be reunited with his relatives in Heaven, whereas for me, my idea of heaven would be too never have to go to another family gathering, and just be at home with my cats. So which heaven would DH end up in? But from the replies above, it sounds like it doesn't work that way. But who knows? Plus not being church members, we may end up, ahem, somewhere else anyway.
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Post by cristelina on Dec 28, 2019 2:09:15 GMT
Perhaps each person experiences their own version of heaven/hell. That way people who hate each other, but both get to heaven don't see each other. Or maybe it is just a feeling. Personally, I dislike the notion of a traditional heaven/hell and the path to it. My understanding is that if you repent and ask forgiveness, that means that serial killers, child abusers, rapists can all get to heaven. I don't like that.  The Evangelical Christian belief of what heaven is makes no sense to me. I do not want to be in a hot garden walking barefoot thank you very much. Nor do I want to be a third class citizen in heaven because I am female AND Mexican. Evangelicals make it known every day we are not welcome. Nor do I want to hang out with Hitler. And since they believe Trump is the Chosen One, does that mean Trump will be at the right hand of God?? Yeez talk about a living hell for all eternity! |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 28, 2019 2:16:55 GMT
The way I think about is that my soul will be in communion with God. That's it. No body, nobody, just eternal light and rest.
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Post by Rhondito on Dec 28, 2019 2:22:18 GMT
I was taught (and I believe) thT we won’t recognize anyone in heaven. Well all be brothers and sisters with God. Then why do people, including pastors, etc., say we'll see our departed loved ones when we get to heaven? If this is true then I'm very upset - I want to see my daddy again and have always been told and believed that I would.
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Post by zella on Dec 28, 2019 2:36:46 GMT
I completely believe that when you're dead that's it. No awareness, just eternal sleep without dreams as it were. And it's the same for the saints and the sinners.
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 28, 2019 2:46:31 GMT
I was taught (and I believe) thT we won’t recognize anyone in heaven. Well all be brothers and sisters with God. Then why do people, including pastors, etc., say we'll see our departed loved ones when we get to heaven? If this is true then I'm very upset - I want to see my daddy again and have always been told and believed that I would.
I better see my pets and grandparents when I get to Heaven or I will be heading right back out the door. No way am I spending eternity without my beloved pets. In all seriousness though, I think everyone is in their own version of Heaven. I don’t think we will all be mingling around like a ginormous cocktail party, it would be too crowded and confusing. I think we will be with who we want to be with and where we want to be. Everyone’s Heaven will be different, imho. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 2:47:14 GMT
Perhaps each person experiences their own version of heaven/hell. That way people who hate each other, but both get to heaven don't see each other. Or maybe it is just a feeling. Personally, I dislike the notion of a traditional heaven/hell and the path to it. My understanding is that if you repent and ask forgiveness, that means that serial killers, child abusers, rapists can all get to heaven. I don't like that. The Evangelical Christian belief of what heaven is makes no sense to me. I do not want to be in a hot garden walking barefoot thank you very much. Nor do I want to be a third class citizen in heaven because I am female AND Mexican. Evangelicals make it known every day we are not welcome. Nor do I want to hang out with Hitler. And since they believe Trump is the Chosen One, does that mean Trump will be at the right hand of God?? Yeez talk about a living hell for all eternity! None of that is what Evangelical Christianity teaches. I’m sorry you’ve experienced that. |
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 28, 2019 2:51:33 GMT
Perhaps each person experiences their own version of heaven/hell. That way people who hate each other, but both get to heaven don't see each other. Or maybe it is just a feeling. Personally, I dislike the notion of a traditional heaven/hell and the path to it. My understanding is that if you repent and ask forgiveness, that means that serial killers, child abusers, rapists can all get to heaven. I don't like that. The Evangelical Christian belief of what heaven is makes no sense to me. I do not want to be in a hot garden walking barefoot thank you very much. Nor do I want to be a third class citizen in heaven because I am female AND Mexican. Evangelicals make it known every day we are not welcome. Nor do I want to hang out with Hitler. And since they believe Trump is the Chosen One, does that mean Trump will be at the right hand of God?? Yeez talk about a living hell for all eternity! Well, they are wrong, so I wouldn’t worry too much about what they think Heaven is like. We know God doesn’t view us differently because of our gender or race. As for the comment about Trump, you know as well as I do that God would not allow someone who lies like Trump to be his right hand man. |
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 28, 2019 3:03:18 GMT
The Evangelical Christian belief of what heaven is makes no sense to me. I do not want to be in a hot garden walking barefoot thank you very much. Nor do I want to be a third class citizen in heaven because I am female AND Mexican. Evangelicals make it known every day we are not welcome. Nor do I want to hang out with Hitler. And since they believe Trump is the Chosen One, does that mean Trump will be at the right hand of God?? Yeez talk about a living hell for all eternity! Well, they are wrong, so I wouldn’t worry too much about what they think Heaven is like. We know God doesn’t view us differently because of our gender or race. As for the comment about Trump, you know as well as I do that God would not allow someone who lies like Trump to be his right hand man. but what if that is trumps version of heaven? |
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Post by cindytred on Dec 28, 2019 3:25:02 GMT
My own question...What if you are married twice (say the first spouse died, the marriage did not end in divorce), which one do you spend eternity with? This is the question I've always had. Cindy |
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Post by pilcas on Dec 28, 2019 3:40:16 GMT
I can’t say I believe in heaven or hell. Every religion seems to have created a scenario that suits them.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Dec 28, 2019 4:27:18 GMT
One of the many reasons I'm agnostic is because basking only in the love and light of the Lord, and not knowing my loved ones, does not sound like heaven to me. More like one of my not so fun Grateful Dead weekend acid trips. Me, my DH and our kids, with every one of our fur babies for eternity does. I hope to have a DIL, SIL and maybe a couple of grandkids in the mix, and a few more rescue animals, before I find out.
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Post by Outspoken on Dec 28, 2019 5:35:50 GMT
My belief is that we will have familiarity with others but not in the familial way. So, while we may recognize people we love, it won’t be in relationships like traditional families on earth but rather we will all be family as we are Gods children.
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Post by birdgate on Dec 28, 2019 13:54:11 GMT
I think earth is “hell” or “purgatory” and a place we come to to grow and learn. I believe all babies come from “heaven” or home and our souls last forever. So knowing that why would we only come to earth once when we have so many lessons to learn? There could be more levels once we get up there and you don’t need to come back down. It’s not about floating around not doing anything for eternity. I wish my friends and family on the other side would let me know. They leave me other signs all the time. My grade school friend came to me in a dream to let me know she passed away. Give me a teaser, someone! Haha
I was upset when I heard the man who hid art from ISIS was caught and murdered. I fell asleep and woke up in a museum in “heaven” in a dream. The people in the museum told me there was a copy made of everything created on earth. I walked thru the museum and saw all the ancient statues that ISIS destroyed. The museum was much more lively than here with music and people talking. It was very beautiful with brown marbled floors, no doors because who’s gonna steal in heaven? Lol
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 28, 2019 16:50:04 GMT
Well, they are wrong, so I wouldn’t worry too much about what they think Heaven is like. We know God doesn’t view us differently because of our gender or race. As for the comment about Trump, you know as well as I do that God would not allow someone who lies like Trump to be his right hand man. but what if that is trumps version of heaven? First, I don’t think that man is going to get to Heaven, so there is that. I think he is too much of a liar and racist and horrible person who puts himself above all others without any sense of shame or guilt or wrong doing, so he shouldn’t be there. If he does get there though, then he can have his little fantasy in his section of Heaven. I won’t know about it, nor will you or anyone else, because we will be in our own version of Heaven doing what we love with who we love. Trump has no place in my Heaven, so I imagine I won’t even remember him at all. |
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Post by julie5 on Dec 28, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
I was taught (and I believe) thT we won’t recognize anyone in heaven. Well all be brothers and sisters with God. Then why do people, including pastors, etc., say we'll see our departed loved ones when we get to heaven? If this is true then I'm very upset - I want to see my daddy again and have always been told and believed that I would.
I was really bothered by your post because I would never want to devestatw someone with my beliefs. I apologize deeply for that. I got out my bible and catechism to back my words up with scripture that I believe in. I hope it brings you peace. I read the new living translation will we recognize people in heaven?While our heavenly bodies may resemble our earthly bodies, we will in some ways be like the angels. Matthew 22:23-33 That same day some Sadducees stepped forward—a group of Jews who say there is no resurrection after death. They posed this question: “teacher,Moses said, ‘if a man dies without children, his brother should marry the widow and have a child who will be the brothers heir’ well, there were seven brothers. The oldest married and then died without children, so the second brother married the widow. This brother also died without children and the wife was married to the next brother, and so on until she had been the wife of each of them. And then she also died. So tell us, whose wife will she be in the resurrection? For she was the wife of all seven of them!” Jesus replied, “your problem is that you don’t know the scriptures and you don’t know the power of God. For when the dead rise, they won’t be married. They will be like the angels in heaven. But now, as to whether there will be a resurrection of the dead—haven’t you ever read about this in the Scriptures? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So He is the God of the living, not the dead.” When the crowds heard him, they were impressed with his teaching. End bible quote. So my belief is that our loved ones are not dead, they are alive with God in Heaven. They don’t know sadness, so they can’t miss us or wait for us. And the same will be true when we cross over. We won’t know to miss our children or pets. This is actually the only way I know how to cope with my grief. I’ve lost people way before their time. I’m currently knee deep in missing my brother whose funeral was one year ago today. I can barely drag myself out of bed. So I get it. And again, I did not mean to upset you. I deeply apologize for that. |
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The Evangelical Christian belief of what heaven is makes no sense to me. I do not want to be in a hot garden walking barefoot thank you very much. Nor do I want to be a third class citizen in heaven because I am female AND Mexican. Evangelicals make it known every day we are not welcome. Nor do I want to hang out with Hitler. And since they believe Trump is the Chosen One, does that mean Trump will be at the right hand of God?? Yeez talk about a living hell for all eternity!
