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Post by Delta Dawn on Jan 2, 2020 1:23:47 GMT
Vaping, smoking, eating, drinking, or dabbing will give you a different kind of high. You will see what you like. Edibles give a nice sleepy high. (For me).
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Post by delila on Jan 2, 2020 4:53:22 GMT
I also wanted to add that as a person with epilepsy one of my anti seizure drugs is a cannabinol oral solution called Epidolex. This has been a miracle drug for helping control seizures for me. My biggest issue with it is the cost, $1,200 per month.
Strangely enough it is made in the UK but as far as I know they are not able to access it there as we are here in the States.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 3, 2020 3:09:04 GMT
I got my medical marijuana card from my state (MD) 16 months ago for my migraines after my amazing headache specialist suggested it to me. I have learned a ton of information since then and a first it did feel like it was overwhemlming. There were so many new terms to learn and so much information. The last time I'd smoked pot was during college which for me was in 1980!
One of the best websites for information and help is leafly.com I don't believe the blanket statements that indica is for this and sativa is for that. There are just too many strains in those catagories that vary so much regarding THC levels and mostly what terepenes they have in them and what those do. BTW, it's not true that indica or sativa have various (better or more) CBD counts in them. Many, many strains of both catagories have none. They almost all have THC and they might have a bit of CBD, and other forms of C+other initials. It truly depends on the different strains of which there are thousands. Not to mention the hybrids. Basically I think of it as indicia is relaxation and Sativia is for energy. Hybrids are the best of both but all in all that's just the tip of the iceberg. Different strains is where the true differences are as to what does each one do?
The first choice you must make is how do you want to injest it? I really like oil filled cartridges. It's the "grass" or "flower" condensed down to a liquid and put into a small cartridge with a mouthpiece added. On the bottom is a 510 screw so you'll need to buy a vape pen made for oil filled cartridges. You can get a cheap one at your dispensary for around 10 bucks. Then if you find you like this method you can buy a better vape pen online. I like it because I'm injesting a vapor, not smoke so it's better for my lungs. Vape pens for oil cartridges are fairly cheap. I got one for $29.00 that I really like. It's from a company called Candy. When you burn Marijuana in a pipe or by other methods-any time you have to light it on fire you are burning away some of the helpful terepenes because of the higher temperture that is needed to burn. This isn't as crucial if you are just using for fun. Here in the USA we've had scary reports of issues with "popcorn lung" from vape users. In every one of those instances it was from vape cartridges bought on the black market, not from a official dispensary. Sadly we don't have a national law like Canada does for purity. You'll need to check your state marijuana law for that. Here in Maryland we are very lucky. The only thing allowed in our cartridges is marijuana. Some states allow additional oils to be used and those can cause problems. So you'll want to do more reasearch on this topic. Leafly.com is perfect for this.
You can also vape what is called "flower" instead of using a bong, pipe etc. They make special vapes for this. Leafly has a lot of articles and helpful tips. Check there for an article on best vapes if you are looking for something like this. These vaporizers or vape pens are more expensive than the ones for oil cartridges.
I wouldn't choose edibles for my first experience. Edibles are different. They take 30-40 minutes before you feel anything (they have to go through your digestive track) and then the effect lasts for 5-8 hours so if you've taken too much by mistake (and I have) it's a long time to feel that high. I've read putting a peppercorn between your teeth helps but I've never tried it. The "high" is different too. It's a body high vs. a mind high like you'll get with the other forms.
There is also a form called concentrates. While flower will have the lowest THC count (20-30%) cartridges have higher THC count (70-80%) with concentrates it's even higher. Concentrates are distilled even more than the oil in oil cartridges. They come in forms like butter, shatter, sugar and a couple more. You get less amount for your money but with the higher THC count you need less. You will also need a vape pen made for concentrates to use them. Does this mean you need 3 different vape pens if you want to vape flower, oil cartridges and concentrate? Maybe, it depends. Some higher cost vape pens will be able to handle more than one type but it'll say it in the description when you shop. I tried oil cartridges first so I got a vape pen for those. I won my concentrate vape pen from my facebook group Migrainebuds so I was very lucky in that. I didn't really use it until lately. Why? Cartridges are easier to use and cleaner-there's really nothing to clean and you don't have to reload-perfect when you are fighting migraines. Concentrates work better when you need that extra THC (like I do now) but I hate stopping to reload. It's a pain.
Back to the main topic: When I decide I need to go to the dispensary what I look for is strain name first-does my dispensary carry it, then I look at the terepenes. Often I do this at the dispensary. Terepenes vary with each strain and it's the terepenes that provide various effects (like help with naseau, pain, inflammation, and so many more.)
Let's forget about indica vs. sativa at the moment. What you want to look at are the different strains. This is where both weedmaps.com and leafly.com come in handy. Using weedmaps.com find your local dispensary. You should be able to get to your local dispensaries menu (what that shop offers). Now open another window and open leafly.com In the search bar key in strain name of an item your dispensary offers. It should come up in leafly and it'll show you everything you need to know about that strain. What it feels like, good things it does, and so on. There are so many new strains on the market now that leafly hasn't caught up with them so if you can't find the strain there don't get upset. Just ask your local budtender what is that strain like? I keep a notebook of every strain I've tried (I'm up to 32) and what the effects have been. It's been incredibly helpful especially with my bad memory.
There is a great bargain book for beginners called "Medical Marijuana: What you need to know before walking into a dispensary" by PIL publishing. I found it at Barnes and Nobles for $7.98. It's not on Amazon but I found it on barnesandnoble.com if you look under medical marijuana it's in the second row and the author is listed as PIL. It's the same price. I know you weren't looking for medical use but I think it's a great book (for the price) if you are looking for something to give you general info.
If I missed anything and you have any questions at all please PM me or post here. I've learned a ton this last 16 months but the best help I've ever gotten was from my local dispensary and the budtenders there. They are amazing in their knowledge. Not all budtenders are like this. Before my local dispensary opened I went to about 5 other dispensaries and most of the budtenders I met weren't that knowledgeable. I would say 2 had great budtenders, but 3 didn't. So shop around if you are in an area to do so.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 3, 2020 6:18:27 GMT
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jan 3, 2020 6:43:30 GMT
My only comment is it’s really, really easy to take too much of an edible even if it’s considered a “dose.” When it kicks in, you’re in for a ride. I few years ago I ate some pretzels, and I think too much of the good stuff collected in a broken bubble on the pretzel and oh boy. I was so anxious I was pacing around trying to distract myself and then vacuuming like the lady on There’s Something About Mary. I called my mom and told her I was pretty sure I was dying and she laughed and laughed and laughed. She asked, does your nose tingle? Uh huh. Is the back of your neck feel tingly. Uh huh. Are you hot but cold? Yep ((Even more laughter while I’m dying.))
My advice? Take half of a recommended “dose” and wait 90 minutes. And if it’s an edible, make sure it’s not something easily measured and not like tossed pretzels lol
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Post by peajays on Jan 3, 2020 14:32:34 GMT
I don’t smoke, so I found smoking a joint was too harsh for me and I didn’t really enjoy it. I decided to but a dry herb vape, and I really enjoy it. It’s discreet and easy to use, as well as portable. I can take one or two hits, turn it off and use it again later. It doesn’t use a lot of flower, so I find it lasts a bit longer. And when my flower is done, I collect it in a bag. Apparently you can use the used flower in your own edibles. I haven’t accumulated near enough yet to try it. But it’s a bonus to get 2 uses from your MJ.
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Post by Olan on Jan 3, 2020 15:01:06 GMT
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Post by pridemom on Jan 3, 2020 21:06:47 GMT
Wondering how the legalization of MJ plays into places that drug test for employment. My employer sent out an updated policy. We cannot use medicinal or otherwise, even though our state allows medicinal use.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 3, 2020 23:24:39 GMT
Wondering how the legalization of MJ plays into places that drug test for employment. My employer sent out an updated policy. We cannot use medicinal or otherwise, even though our state allows medicinal use. In my opinion that is a very uneducated and ignorant opinion they've decided upon. Shame on them and any other employer who takes this stance in a medical use state. In my case MM (medical marijuana) has saved me from many days of migraine pain. Before I used it I used to get 20- 25 days of migraines a month. I was a chronic migraine patient. Now using just a little every night (called micro dosing) MM acts as a preventative and I get only 4-6 a month! That's a huge improvement. I couldn't do this with pharmacutical drugs although my doctor and I tried. I tried with the new injectible drugs like Aimovig but they would only work for 6 months and then stop (this effect is average with migraine patients on these drugs). Now when I get a migraine I can stop it completely by using a THC capsule. With pharma drugs the only one that still works for me after 39 years of having migraines is Zomig nasal spray which isn't a generic and costs $500.00 a dose. With my insurance I have to get my doctor to sign another form so I'm not charged a penalty of $220.00 each time I fill it (she's already signed a form that it's the only drug that will work for me) and then I'll be charged up to $120.00 a dose. Again for one dose. My THC capsule is $10.00 a dose for one migraine. The micro dosing for prevention which I do every night comes to about $120.00 for the entire month. If I worked for your employer I'd have to choose between my health or my job.
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Post by pridemom on Jan 3, 2020 23:37:58 GMT
My employer sent out an updated policy. We cannot use medicinal or otherwise, even though our state allows medicinal use. In my opinion that is a very uneducated and ignorant opinion they've decided upon. Shame on them and any other employer who takes this stance in a medical use state. In my case MM (medical marijuana) has saved me from many days of migraine pain. Before I used it I used to get 20- 25 days of migraines a month. I was a chronic migraine patient. Now using just a little every night (called micro dosing) MM acts as a preventative and I get only 4-6 a month! That's a huge improvement. I couldn't do this with pharmacutical drugs although my doctor and I tried. I tried with the new injectible drugs like Aimovig but they would only work for 6 months and then stop (this effect is average with migraine patients on these drugs). Now when I get a migraine I can stop it completely by using a THC capsule. With pharma drugs the only one that still works for me after 39 years of having migraines is Zomig nasal spray which isn't a generic and costs $500.00 a dose. With my insurance I have to get my doctor to sign another form so I'm not charged a penalty of $220.00 each time I fill it (she's already signed a form that it's the only drug that will work for me) and then I'll be charged up to $120.00 a dose. Again for one dose. My THC capsule is $10.00 a dose for one migraine. The micro dosing for prevention which I do every night comes to about $120.00 for the entire month. If I worked for your employer I'd have to choose between my health or my job. I understand as I have RA, degenerative disk disease, and hidratinitis Superativa. However, I work for the state, so they do what they want.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 3, 2020 23:42:51 GMT
birukitty I'm just now sitting down to read more about terpenes (I have chronic pain and have used CBD w a little THC for a few years). I've really never paid attention to terpenes, even though I know I've seen at least 1 other post from you about them. I'm curious which terpenes give you the most relief. And are you treating any other type of pain other than migraines?
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Post by birukitty on Jan 4, 2020 0:24:25 GMT
birukitty I'm just now sitting down to read more about terpenes (I have chronic pain and have used CBD w a little THC for a few years). I've really never paid attention to terpenes, even though I know I've seen at least 1 other post from you about them. I'm curious which terpenes give you the most relief. And are you treating any other type of pain other than migraines? I'm mostly treating migraines but for prevention which I do every night I look for terepenes for stress. Stress is my number 1 trigger and I live in a household with 2 men both with adult ADD-DH and DS. Oh and a male Siamese who since he doesn't have a frontal cortex also has ADD (All cats don't have a frontal cortex) Plus he is a very noisy Siamese-good thing we love him so much. Today he let out his regular howl and I asked him "What is it you would like, Sir?" and I swear the winked at me! Usually that's a you're not paying enough attention to me. What I mostly do is check my dispensary's menu as to what they have in stock and then look up those strains in leafly.com and see what they do. They'll have a listing under the strain that shows in percentages what it treats like stress 58%, pain 66%, inflammation and so on. I'll write down a few possible choices and then go to my amazing dispensary and talk to my budtender and see which one's they suggest. They are so educated they will talk over terepenes with me and it's their knowledge that really helps me choose which one to try for those next 2 weeks. One oil cartridge lasts me 2 weeks. The terepenes that cover pain are Humulene, Linalool, Caryophyllene, and Limonene. However check with your budtender on these because I think Humulene causes the munchies and you can avoid that one in certain strains-that's what I do. No point gaining weight if you can avoid it. I learned that the hard way-gained 10 pounds before I figured it out. There are wonderful articles on leafly.com about terepenes. One thing I will say is that if you are looking for pain relief I would look more towards trying more THC and less CBD. Everyone is different in how they respond to MM. For my migraines CBD did nothing for pain. I had to move to THC. Or you could try CBD made from MM and not from hemp. There is a difference. If what you are using is working for you than ignore what I said. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have anymore questions.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 4, 2020 0:25:32 GMT
In my opinion that is a very uneducated and ignorant opinion they've decided upon. Shame on them and any other employer who takes this stance in a medical use state. In my case MM (medical marijuana) has saved me from many days of migraine pain. Before I used it I used to get 20- 25 days of migraines a month. I was a chronic migraine patient. Now using just a little every night (called micro dosing) MM acts as a preventative and I get only 4-6 a month! That's a huge improvement. I couldn't do this with pharmacutical drugs although my doctor and I tried. I tried with the new injectible drugs like Aimovig but they would only work for 6 months and then stop (this effect is average with migraine patients on these drugs). Now when I get a migraine I can stop it completely by using a THC capsule. With pharma drugs the only one that still works for me after 39 years of having migraines is Zomig nasal spray which isn't a generic and costs $500.00 a dose. With my insurance I have to get my doctor to sign another form so I'm not charged a penalty of $220.00 each time I fill it (she's already signed a form that it's the only drug that will work for me) and then I'll be charged up to $120.00 a dose. Again for one dose. My THC capsule is $10.00 a dose for one migraine. The micro dosing for prevention which I do every night comes to about $120.00 for the entire month. If I worked for your employer I'd have to choose between my health or my job. I understand as I have RA, degenerative disk disease, and hidratinitis Superativa. However, I work for the state, so they do what they want. I am so sorry you are having to deal with these diseases and not able to use medical marijuana because of your employer. That is so wrong!
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Post by pridemom on Jan 4, 2020 0:30:33 GMT
I understand as I have RA, degenerative disk disease, and hidratinitis Superativa. However, I work for the state, so they do what they want. I am so sorry you are having to deal with these diseases and not able to use medical marijuana because of your employer. That is so wrong! Thanks. I don’t work in a safety position so I was hoping they would allow use for those. I would like to try, but since I cannot, I am glad it’s available for others. We need more information on what cannabis can and cannot do to help people with painful health conditions.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 4, 2020 0:49:10 GMT
birukitty I'm just now sitting down to read more about terpenes (I have chronic pain and have used CBD w a little THC for a few years). I've really never paid attention to terpenes, even though I know I've seen at least 1 other post from you about them. I'm curious which terpenes give you the most relief. And are you treating any other type of pain other than migraines? I'm mostly treating migraines but for prevention which I do every night I look for terepenes for stress. Stress is my number 1 trigger and I live in a household with 2 men both with adult ADD-DH and DS. Oh and a male Siamese who since he doesn't have a frontal cortex also has ADD (All cats don't have a frontal cortex) Plus he is a very noisy Siamese-good thing we love him so much. Today he let out his regular howl and I asked him "What is it you would like, Sir?" and I swear the winked at me! Usually that's a you're not paying enough attention to me. What I mostly do is check my dispensary's menu as to what they have in stock and then look up those strains in leafly.com and see what they do. They'll have a listing under the strain that shows in percentages what it treats like stress 58%, pain 66%, inflammation and so on. I'll write down a few possible choices and then go to my amazing dispensary and talk to my budtender and see which one's they suggest. They are so educated they will talk over terepenes with me and it's their knowledge that really helps me choose which one to try for those next 2 weeks. One oil cartridge lasts me 2 weeks. The terepenes that cover pain are Humulene, Linalool, Caryophyllene, and Limonene. However check with your budtender on these because I think Humulene causes the munchies and you can avoid that one in certain strains-that's what I do. No point gaining weight if you can avoid it. I learned that the hard way-gained 10 pounds before I figured it out. There are wonderful articles on leafly.com about terepenes. One thing I will say is that if you are looking for pain relief I would look more towards trying more THC and less CBD. Everyone is different in how they respond to MM. For my migraines CBD did nothing for pain. I had to move to THC. Or you could try CBD made from MM and not from hemp. There is a difference. If what you are using is working for you than ignore what I said. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have anymore questions. It does, and thank you. I'm sure I'll touch base again the further I get into it.
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Post by shevy on Jan 4, 2020 0:51:37 GMT
Wondering how the legalization of MJ plays into places that drug test for employment. We've found that there are a lot of employers who still won't allow it because it's too hard to determine whether or not someone is "high" at any specific given time. That's why DWI/DUI with marijuana are harder to prove.
In the past MN wouldn't allow anyone on probation for anything to use it, even if it was a covered medical ailment in the MN Statutes. However, as of 1/1/2020, the state dept of Corrections will now allow someone with a documented need for it and on the registry, to use marijuana. In order words, we won't test for it.
However, I'm not sure what this means for employment with the state or any counties in the state. Likely because no one wants to ask yet. But my chronic illness will now be one in the statute for the registry and the question may come up...
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Post by malibou on Jan 4, 2020 1:05:59 GMT
What kind of high are you after? Sativa will be a lighter high, with giggles and energy. It typically doesn't have much cbd in it. Indica is a body high, with introspection and sleep help. It usually has quite a bit of cbd. Edibles can take a while to hit you. I've known loads of people who have taken too much because they didn't wait long enough and others who forget they even took it and can't figure out why they feel funny. Smoking hits fast. You may want to try a search, there is a pea that posted a butt load of great info not too long ago. birukitty for the win
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Post by Chips on Jan 4, 2020 3:10:15 GMT
I got my medical marijuana card from my state (MD) 16 months ago for my migraines after my amazing headache specialist suggested it to me. I have learned a ton of information since then and a first it did feel like it was overwhemlming. There were so many new terms to learn and so much information. The last time I'd smoked pot was during college which for me was in 1980! One of the best websites for information and help is leafly.com I don't believe the blanket statements that indica is for this and sativa is for that. There are just too many strains in those catagories that vary so much regarding THC levels and mostly what terepenes they have in them and what those do. BTW, it's not true that indica or sativa have various (better or more) CBD counts in them. Many, many strains of both catagories have none. They almost all have THC and they might have a bit of CBD, and other forms of C+other initials. It truly depends on the different strains of which there are thousands. Not to mention the hybrids. Basically I think of it as indicia is relaxation and Sativia is for energy. Hybrids are the best of both but all in all that's just the tip of the iceberg. Different strains is where the true differences are as to what does each one do? The first choice you must make is how do you want to injest it? I really like oil filled cartridges. It's the "grass" or "flower" condensed down to a liquid and put into a small cartridge with a mouthpiece added. On the bottom is a 510 screw so you'll need to buy a vape pen made for oil filled cartridges. You can get a cheap one at your dispensary for around 10 bucks. Then if you find you like this method you can buy a better vape pen online. I like it because I'm injesting a vapor, not smoke so it's better for my lungs. Vape pens for oil cartridges are fairly cheap. I got one for $29.00 that I really like. It's from a company called Candy. When you burn Marijuana in a pipe or by other methods-any time you have to light it on fire you are burning away some of the helpful terepenes because of the higher temperture that is needed to burn. This isn't as crucial if you are just using for fun. Here in the USA we've had scary reports of issues with "popcorn lung" from vape users. In every one of those instances it was from vape cartridges bought on the black market, not from a official dispensary. Sadly we don't have a national law like Canada does for purity. You'll need to check your state marijuana law for that. Here in Maryland we are very lucky. The only thing allowed in our cartridges is marijuana. Some states allow additional oils to be used and those can cause problems. So you'll want to do more reasearch on this topic. Leafly.com is perfect for this. You can also vape what is called "flower" instead of using a bong, pipe etc. They make special vapes for this. Leafly has a lot of articles and helpful tips. Check there for an article on best vapes if you are looking for something like this. These vaporizers or vape pens are more expensive than the ones for oil cartridges. I wouldn't choose edibles for my first experience now or in a long time (like I was). Edibles are different. They take 30-40 minutes before you feel anything (they have to go through your digestive track) and then the effect lasts for 5-8 hours so if you've taken too much by mistake (and I have) it's a long time to feel that high. I've read putting a peppercorn between your teeth helps but I've never tried it. The "high" is different too. It's a body high vs. a mind high like you'll get with the other forms. There is also a form called concentrates. While flower will have the lowest THC count (20-30%) cartridges have higher THC count (70-80%) with concentrates it's even higher. Concentrates are distilled even more than the oil in oil cartridges. They come in forms like butter, shatter, sugar and a couple more. You get less amount for your money but with the higher THC count you need less. You will also need a vape pen made for concentrates to use them. Does this mean you need 3 different vape pens if you want to vape flower, oil cartridges and concentrate? Maybe, it depends. Some higher cost vape pens will be able to handle more than one type but it'll say it in the description when you shop. I tried oil cartridges first so I got a vape pen for those. I won my concentrate vape pen from my facebook group Migrainebuds so I was very lucky in that. I didn't really use it until lately. Why? Cartridges are easier to use and cleaner-there's really nothing to clean and you don't have to reload-perfect when you are fighting migraines. Concentrates work better when you need that extra THC (like I do now) but I hate stopping to reload. It's a pain. Back to the main topic: When I decide I need to go to the dispensary what I look for is strain name first-does my dispensary carry it, then I look at the terepenes. Often I do this at the dispensary. Terepenes vary with each strain and it's the terepenes that provide various effects (like naseau, pain, inflammation, and so many more.) Let's forget about indica vs. sativa at the moment. What you want to look at are the different strains. This is where both weedmaps.com and leafly.com come in handy. Using weedmaps.com find your local dispensary. You should be able to get to your local dispensaries menu (what that shop offers). Now open another window and open leafly.com In the search bar key in strain name of an item your dispensary offers. It should come up in leafly and it'll show you everything you need to know about that strain. What it feels like, good things it does, and so on. There are so many new strains on the market now that leafly hasn't caught up with them so if you can't find the strain there don't get upset. Just ask your local budtender what is that strain like? I keep a notebook of every strain I've tried (I'm up to 32) and what the effects have been. It's been incredibly helpful especially with my bad memory. There is a great bargain book for beginners called "Medical Marijuana: What you need to know before walking into a dispensary" by PIL publishing. I found it at Barnes and Nobles for $7.98. It's not on Amazon but I found it on barnesandnoble.com if you look under medical marijuana it's in the second row and the author is listed as PIL. It's the same price. I know you weren't looking for medical use but I think it's a great book (for the price) if you are looking for something to give you general info. If I missed anything and you have any questions at all please PM me or post here. I've learned a ton this last 16 months but the best help I've ever gotten was from my local dispensary and the budtenders there. They are amazing in their knowledge. Not all budtenders are like this. Before my local dispensary opened I went to about 5 other dispensaries and most of the budtenders I met weren't that knowledgeable. I would say 2 had great budtenders, but 3 didn't. So shop around if you are in an area to do so. Thank you so much so for writing this, providing all of your knowledge and expertise.
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