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Post by papersilly on Jan 23, 2020 23:41:17 GMT
when he says he CONSIDERING IT, he means he is DOING IT. i'm sad for all those who believed he wouldn't touch medicare, medic-aid, and other government programs. we saw how his supposed "tax cuts for the middle class" went. people here groaning about how much they owed at tax time and how little of an actual bump their paychecks got. i have no doubt the voices will be louder when these cuts kick in. and they will.
i hope that if people will gripe about it, they VOTE about it too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 17:09:30 GMT
Maddow Blog..
“Trump scrambles after accidentally sharing Social Security plan”
“After years in which Donald Trump assured the public that he'd never cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid, the president adopted a different posture this week. Asked by CNBC's Joe Kernen whether "entitlements" would ever end up on his plate, Trump replied, "At some point they will be.... And at the right time, we will take a look at that."
When Kernen followed up, asking about Trump's willingness to "do some of the things that you said you wouldn't do in the past," the Republican added, "We're going to look."
It was the election-year message Democrats were eager to hear. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who's been relentlessly on-message this week, shifted his focus a bit yesterday, telling reporters at the start of a Capitol Hill press conference, "Even as the impeachment trial is underway, Trump is still talking about cutting your Social Security."
This did not go unnoticed at the White House.
On Thursday, the president tried to clean up his own mess.
"Democrats are going to destroy your Social Security," Mr. Trump tweeted shortly before leaving the White House for a campaign-related event in Florida. "I have totally left it alone, as promised, and will save it!"
It's worth unpacking this, because the issue is likely to be one of the dominant focal points of the presidential election.
First, the idea that Democrats -- who created Social Security and have spent the better part of a century championing it -- are "going to destroy" the social-insurance program is plainly ridiculous.
Second, the president may want people to believe he's "totally left it alone," but to the degree that reality matters, his White House budget plans have proposed tens of billions of dollars in cuts to Social Security. Those proposals were ignored by lawmakers, but there's an obvious discrepancy between trying to slash a program and leaving it alone.
Also note Trump's vow to "save" Social Security. Voters are likely to hear this again in the coming months, because the program's opponents have used this and similar rhetoric for years as a euphemism for "cutting" Social Security. The idea is, by cutting benefits, "reform" advocates would extend Social Security's future -- thereby "saving" the program.
The flip side, of course, is that "reform" advocates could also bolster Social Security's long-term finances by tweaking payroll taxes and generating additional revenue, rather than cutting benefits.
But as important as these details are, the bigger picture remains the same: one of the key 2020 fights will be over the future of Social Security, and it appears to slowly be dawning on Trump that he'll be fighting this battle from a position of political weakness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 17:41:29 GMT
Maddow Blog.. “Trump scrambles after accidentally sharing Social Security plan”“After years in which Donald Trump assured the public that he'd never cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid, the president adopted a different posture this week. Asked by CNBC's Joe Kernen whether "entitlements" would ever end up on his plate, Trump replied, "At some point they will be.... And at the right time, we will take a look at that." When Kernen followed up, asking about Trump's willingness to "do some of the things that you said you wouldn't do in the past," the Republican added, "We're going to look." It was the election-year message Democrats were eager to hear. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who's been relentlessly on-message this week, shifted his focus a bit yesterday, telling reporters at the start of a Capitol Hill press conference, "Even as the impeachment trial is underway, Trump is still talking about cutting your Social Security." This did not go unnoticed at the White House. On Thursday, the president tried to clean up his own mess. "Democrats are going to destroy your Social Security," Mr. Trump tweeted shortly before leaving the White House for a campaign-related event in Florida. "I have totally left it alone, as promised, and will save it!" It's worth unpacking this, because the issue is likely to be one of the dominant focal points of the presidential election. First, the idea that Democrats -- who created Social Security and have spent the better part of a century championing it -- are "going to destroy" the social-insurance program is plainly ridiculous. Second, the president may want people to believe he's "totally left it alone," but to the degree that reality matters, his White House budget plans have proposed tens of billions of dollars in cuts to Social Security. Those proposals were ignored by lawmakers, but there's an obvious discrepancy between trying to slash a program and leaving it alone.Also note Trump's vow to "save" Social Security. Voters are likely to hear this again in the coming months, because the program's opponents have used this and similar rhetoric for years as a euphemism for "cutting" Social Security. The idea is, by cutting benefits, "reform" advocates would extend Social Security's future -- thereby "saving" the program.
The flip side, of course, is that "reform" advocates could also bolster Social Security's long-term finances by tweaking payroll taxes and generating additional revenue, rather than cutting benefits.But as important as these details are, the bigger picture remains the same: one of the key 2020 fights will be over the future of Social Security, and it appears to slowly be dawning on Trump that he'll be fighting this battle from a position of political weakness. I'm amazed he let his little post-2020 gut of SS & Medicare plan out of the bag. Probably has so much hubris right now he thinks he can get away w/ANYTHING!! I guess he got some pushback and will now walk it back until after-election talk since SS (esp.) and Medicare are still hot buttons even for his highness. And the gullible Trump MAGAs will slurp down the walkback just like they slurp down any other emissions from his piehole. Until it's too late and he comes for their benefits w/a chainsaw.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 24, 2020 18:25:11 GMT
“Democrats are going to destroy your Social Security.” Lol! FDR needs to come back from the dead and smack this ignoramus upside the head.
I guess after accusing Dems of infanticide and being in love with terrorists, amongst many other inanities Trump and his party have fashioned from thin air, for them to continue to indulge their nonsense is only to be expected. After all, they’ve got the backpedaling-lying combo down to a science.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 24, 2020 19:45:18 GMT
I hope that this is on tape and gets a lot of air time. I can't imagine baby boomers voting for this. This scares me and I'm not collecting it yet but know seniors that are and need it. I can't imagine how they would manage without it both SS and Medicare. This is something that no one should be able to touch.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 24, 2020 19:46:35 GMT
when he says he CONSIDERING IT, he means he is DOING IT. i'm sad for all those who believed he wouldn't touch medicare, medic-aid, and other government programs. we saw how his supposed "tax cuts for the middle class" went. people here groaning about how much they owed at tax time and how little of an actual bump their paychecks got. i have no doubt the voices will be louder when these cuts kick in. and they will. i hope that if people will gripe about it, they VOTE about it too. Yeah the middle class saw such a big cut NOT.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 24, 2020 22:19:44 GMT
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 24, 2020 23:17:58 GMT
I wish I could say "Fuck them olds," but my parents depend on Medicare and they didn't vote for this complete fuckshow in the White House.
Disastrous, but some people will vote against their own best interests anyway. It boggles the mind.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 24, 2020 23:25:31 GMT
Disastrous, but some people will vote against their own best interests anyway. It boggles the mind. Well, he won't take theirs! Or give THEM something better, but not for the rest of us!
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Post by Just T on Jan 24, 2020 23:39:36 GMT
I wish I could say "Fuck them olds," but my parents depend on Medicare and they didn't vote for this complete fuckshow in the White House. Disastrous, but some people will vote against their own best interests anyway. It boggles the mind. My very low income parents, who also depend on Medicare, DID vote for the fuckshow in the WH. And they LIKE him, think he is fixing everything that Obama f*ed up. But they only watch Fox News, so they probably have zero idea what the current administration is really up to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 2:43:00 GMT
I wish I could say "Fuck them olds," but my parents depend on Medicare and they didn't vote for this complete fuckshow in the White House. Disastrous, but some people will vote against their own best interests anyway. It boggles the mind. My very low income parents, who also depend on Medicare, DID vote for the fuckshow in the WH. And they LIKE him, think he is fixing everything that Obama f*ed up. But they only watch Fox News, so they probably have zero idea what the current administration is really up to. You might want to show them the clip I posted of Trump talking about coming for SS & MC post election.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2020 2:43:14 GMT
I wish I could say "Fuck them olds," but my parents depend on Medicare and they didn't vote for this complete fuckshow in the White House. Disastrous, but some people will vote against their own best interests anyway. It boggles the mind. My very low income parents, who also depend on Medicare, DID vote for the fuckshow in the WH. And they LIKE him, think he is fixing everything that Obama f*ed up. But they only watch Fox News, so they probably have zero idea what the current administration is really up to. Show them the article about cutting social security and Medicare. Do not say anything, just leave it where they will see it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 2:46:13 GMT
PS - The Trump sh(#$show has already been sitting on an increase in the number of uninsured, thanks to their "so easy peasy" fixing of the health care and insurance markets.
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