wellway
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Post by wellway on Mar 9, 2020 20:59:00 GMT
BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673Italy is extending its strict coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country. Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community. He added that the best thing for the citizens of Italy was to stay at home. Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China.
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Post by flanz on Mar 9, 2020 21:03:27 GMT
BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673Italy is extending its strict coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country. Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community. He added that the best thing for the citizens of Italy was to stay at home. Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China. Wow! My heart hurts for all of the citizens/employers/employees/decision makers. I suspect this is a good call... but only time will tell.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 9, 2020 21:10:51 GMT
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community. He added that the best thing for the citizens of Italy was to stay at home. I'm guessing that this 'stay at home' request is going to be a bad thing for the Easter holidays in Rome... (and as an aside, I totally agree that the #s in the US are probably being kept artificially low, just by seeing the huge jumps in cases / deaths from other countries.)
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Post by elaine on Mar 9, 2020 21:23:00 GMT
I don’t understand how with countries shutting borders, forcing quarantines on people coming in, basically closing down, in addition to stock markets around the globe crashing, that anyone could see this as simply being media hype.
Media hype might result in a run on paper goods, but when global financial markets are crashing and entire nations are taking immeasurably costly steps to slow the spread, only someone with a vested interest in not being inconvenienced by a pandemic could view this as simply being media hype.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 9, 2020 21:31:16 GMT
Media hype might result in a run on paper goods, but when global financial markets are crashing but media hype is what's CAUSING the market crashes, elaine . /s (at least that's what die-hard Conservatives and Rush Limbaugh watchers would say...) my conservative DH thought 'it can't be all that bad' till I started reading him some REAL #s and statistics over the weekend (not just the Fox news talking points). THEN he finally said 'yeah, that's worse than I had thought.' DUH!
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2020 21:36:00 GMT
BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673Italy is extending its strict coronavirus quarantine measures, which include a ban on public gatherings, to the entire country. Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community. He added that the best thing for the citizens of Italy was to stay at home. Italy's coronavirus death toll jumped on Monday by 97 to 463. It is the worst-hit country after China. Wow! My heart hurts for all of the citizens/employers/employees/decision makers. I suspect this is a good call... but only time will tell. This may be a rhetorical question, but how are things different enough here in the US that this will not happen here (or at least within the hardest hit states) in the near term?
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Post by elaine on Mar 9, 2020 21:36:59 GMT
Media hype might result in a run on paper goods, but when global financial markets are crashing but media hype is what's CAUSING the market crashes, elaine . (at least that's what die-hard Conservatives and Rush Limbaugh watchers would say... my conservative DH thought 'it can't be that bad' till I started reading him some REAL #s and statistics over the weekend (not just the Fox news talking points). THEN he finally said 'yeah, that's worse than I had thought.' DUH! I understand that some could spin the US markets in their warped minds, but European and Asian markets? How does that work? China doesn’t even have a free press, nor access to uncensored internet, so how is their market crash the result of media? (I know that you don’t believe it is hype, just the questions rattling in my brain when I hear all the “it’s just hype” comments.)
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 9, 2020 21:38:41 GMT
I understand that some could spin the US markets in their warped minds, but European and Asian markets? How does that work? China doesn’t even have a free press, nor access to uncensored internet, so how is their market crash the result of media? very simply, they (the conservative 'Deep State' conspiracy theorists) don't ask such questions.
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scrappinghappy
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Post by scrappinghappy on Mar 9, 2020 21:42:17 GMT
Media hype might result in a run on paper goods, but when global financial markets are crashing but media hype is what's CAUSING the market crashes, elaine . /s (at least that's what die-hard Conservatives and Rush Limbaugh watchers would say...) my conservative DH thought 'it can't be all that bad' till I started reading him some REAL #s and statistics over the weekend (not just the Fox news talking points). THEN he finally said 'yeah, that's worse than I had thought.' DUH! The market drop today is more about the breakdown in talks between OPEc and Russia than the coronavirus. The coronavirus just added to the instability. But Trump says he has led the country to unprecidented economic highs so maybe he will fix this /s Putin is playing with him like a ragdoll
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2020 21:45:25 GMT
I don’t understand how with countries shutting borders, forcing quarantines on people coming in, basically closing down, in addition to stock markets around the globe crashing, that anyone could see this as simply being media hype. Media hype might result in a run on paper goods, but when global financial markets are crashing and entire nations are taking immeasurably costly steps to slow the spread, only someone with a vested interest in not being inconvenienced by a pandemic could view this as simply being media hype. I am trying hard not to think of the personal financial hit, but in the last 24 or so reality has set it. I’ve been retired for nearly 10 years, still 9 + years from SS benefits, and no pension. I live off income from my investments only. My lifestyle is going to change fairly substantially over the next few years until my investments recover. But I’ll be ok in the long term. The people getting by paycheck to paycheck who are already being hit are the ones who concern me right now. Once the medical aspect of this is past, we’ll be in this financially for many many years. Yeah, it’s all a hype.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 9, 2020 22:37:51 GMT
I haven't read through the whole thread, but elaine do you consider your boys to be in the high risk group? I'm more worried for my son than daughter. He's basically cognitively a toddler and his hygiene is terrible if I don't take care of him. He's in a classroom full of kids that have some of the same issues. He had pneumonia last year. I just heard on the news that a person that attended a BYU college basketball game in Utah has now tested positive.
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Post by gar on Mar 9, 2020 23:20:34 GMT
Wow! My heart hurts for all of the citizens/employers/employees/decision makers. I suspect this is a good call... but only time will tell. This may be a rhetorical question, but how are things different enough here in the US that this will not happen here (or at least within the hardest hit states) in the near term? Honestly, I don’t think they are. How can they be?
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Post by snowsilver on Mar 9, 2020 23:27:47 GMT
Italy has just instituted nationwide travel restrictions. You will not be allowed out of the area in which you live unless you meet several defined (and fairly strict) requirements. Bars and nighttime entertainment must close at dusk. Schools are closed until April 3.
How awful to be the prime minister of a country and have to make decisions like this that will affect people's lives for years.
I'm telling DH that we probably have no more than two weeks left here in our area before we see draconian measures being taken as well. I hope I am wrong, but this is spreading so fast.
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Nanner
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Post by Nanner on Mar 9, 2020 23:56:26 GMT
At work, we have all been asked to take our surface pros home every night (those are what we use instead of desktops or laptops), just in case.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 0:30:32 GMT
I don’t understand how with countries shutting borders, forcing quarantines on people coming in, basically closing down, in addition to stock markets around the globe crashing, that anyone could see this as simply being media hype. Media hype might result in a run on paper goods, but when global financial markets are crashing and entire nations are taking immeasurably costly steps to slow the spread, only someone with a vested interest in not being inconvenienced by a pandemic could view this as simply being media hype. I am trying hard not to think of the personal financial hit, but in the last 24 or so reality has set it. I’ve been retired for nearly 10 years, still 9 + years from SS benefits, and no pension. I live off income from my investments only. My lifestyle is going to change fairly substantially over the next few years until my investments recover. But I’ll be ok in the long term. The people getting by paycheck to paycheck who are already being hit are the ones who concern me right now. Once the medical aspect of this is past, we’ll be in this financially for many many years. Yeah, it’s all a hype. DH & I have been living a very different life for the past few years since he got more weak and needed my constant watching. We both wound up terribly from our divorces. They walked away with hidden $$, timeshares, etc. We both hadn't known each other back then, but we each walked away without fighting, thinking that our 20+ year exes would be kind to us. We were very wrong. So, we were left with just our own Social Security Disability to live on. We were able to do crafts, etc., and I did nannying for extra cash to get by, but 2 years ago everything changed. My son who lived with us, moved out. He was paying for his share of rent. DD32 (severely disabled by bipolar, no job, no insurance, no money) can't afford to pay her share now, so it's become very hard. Long story short, we've been living on barely enough SS to get by and it's getting harder each month. As for the elderly and people at risk with this virus, I worry daily about DH. He has CHF, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, emphysema/COPD, anxiety and now aggressive cancer and just began chemo. The chemo alone makes his immune system shot, but he was at a 0 before that. I'm protecting him as much as I can. For those who say they'd go crazy being home for too long, honestly, we've lived like this for years. We go to doctor's appointments, surgeries, chemo, etc., and I good food shopping. We live in an apartment, not a house, and still, it's okay. We're blessed to have provisions and we take things day by day. Health comes first. I pray that our electric stays on and we could continue to buy food. Everything else could wait. zella : I feel your anxiety and hope you'll be okay. For some reason I'm in protection mode and have a new sense of calm.
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rodeomom
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Post by rodeomom on Mar 10, 2020 0:38:35 GMT
Italy has just instituted nationwide travel restrictions. You will not be allowed out of the area in which you live unless you meet several defined (and fairly strict) requirements. Bars and nighttime entertainment must close at dusk. Schools are closed until April 3. How awful to be the prime minister of a country and have to make decisions like this that will affect people's lives for years. I'm telling DH that we probably have no more than two weeks left here in our area before we see draconian measures being taken as well. I hope I am wrong, but this is spreading so fast. What I don't understand is why such different reaction from one country to the next? Why are some countries acting like this is really dier and shutting down their countries and our government is acting like it's no big deal? Why, why, what do they know that we don't?
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Post by elaine on Mar 10, 2020 1:06:43 GMT
I haven't read through the whole thread, but elaine do you consider your boys to be in the high risk group? I'm more worried for my son than daughter. He's basically cognitively a toddler and his hygiene is terrible if I don't take care of him. He's in a classroom full of kids that have some of the same issues. He had pneumonia last year. I just heard on the news that a person that attended a BYU college basketball game in Utah has now tested positive. I think that my boys are at medium risk. They WILL contract it - because, yes, hygiene is a HUGE struggle. Correct hand washing doesn’t happen. That is why I am installing hand sanitizer dispensers in the main level bathroom and in the dining area in the kitchen. Hand sanitizer isn’t as good as thorough hand washing, but it is the best we will be able to do. My younger son, is probably closer to high risk because of his Osteogenesis Imperfecta - he has low muscle tone and gets pneumonia easily because his cough isn’t as productive as it should be. He is quite anxious about the Coronavirus affecting the Olympics - he obsesses about them. He keeps asking over and over when the virus “will be over.” He just doesn’t and will never understand. We just lie to him and say if will be over by the time the Olympics start in July. When it isn’t we will deal with it then. If they only close down some schools in our district - one possibility- his will close because half of the students have severe cognitive and behavioral issues (where he is), but the other half of the students are very fragile - wheelchair bound, can’t feed themselves, mostly non-verbal - severe physical and cognitive issues. Everyone of them would be at extremely high risk for dying from this virus. My biggest fear is one of my boys bringing it home to me before we know it and me passing it on to my mother. My mother is in assisted living an hour away and I visit her regularly once per week on Wednesdays. I take her to run errands - picking up her prescriptions, going to her doctors’ appointments, etc. I stock her freezer with homemade soups, and danishes and muffins from Costco so she can eat breakfast and lunch in her apartment. She eats dinner in the dining hall, because she doesn’t cook any more. Heating soup and leftovers is the sum of it. She regularly can’t figure out how to get her television and computer and iPad to work, so I spend an hour or two on that each week. She needs me, I want to help her out, and I am terrified of bringing the virus to her. She is 85 with fairly serious heart issues and would definitely be considered high risk. My biggest fear is that we will lose a significant portion of the population over 70; that we will lose much of a whole generation.
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 10, 2020 1:14:29 GMT
3 cases of the corona virus in the county next to mine. 1 had traveled to Egypt 1 had been in DC 1 not sure Which county, pca? I know you live up near my mom and I worry about her and her friends, all in their 80s.
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Post by elaine on Mar 10, 2020 1:22:20 GMT
I am trying hard not to think of the personal financial hit, but in the last 24 or so reality has set it. I’ve been retired for nearly 10 years, still 9 + years from SS benefits, and no pension. I live off income from my investments only. My lifestyle is going to change fairly substantially over the next few years until my investments recover. But I’ll be ok in the long term. The people getting by paycheck to paycheck who are already being hit are the ones who concern me right now. Once the medical aspect of this is past, we’ll be in this financially for many many years. Yeah, it’s all a hype. DH & I have been living a very different life for the past few years since he got more weak and needed my constant watching. We both wound up terribly from our divorces. They walked away with hidden $$, timeshares, etc. We both hadn't known each other back then, but we each walked away without fighting, thinking that our 20+ year exes would be kind to us. We were very wrong. So, we were left with just our own Social Security Disability to live on. We were able to do crafts, etc., and I did nannying for extra cash to get by, but 2 years ago everything changed. My son who lived with us, moved out. He was paying for his share of rent. DD32 (severely disabled by bipolar, no job, no insurance, no money) can't afford to pay her share now, so it's become very hard. Long story short, we've been living on barely enough SS to get by and it's getting harder each month. As for the elderly and people at risk with this virus, I worry daily about DH. He has CHF, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, emphysema/COPD, anxiety and now aggressive cancer and just began chemo. The chemo alone makes his immune system shot, but he was at a 0 before that. I'm protecting him as much as I can. For those who say they'd go crazy being home for too long, honestly, we've lived like this for years. We go to doctor's appointments, surgeries, chemo, etc., and I good food shopping. We live in an apartment, not a house, and still, it's okay. We're blessed to have provisions and we take things day by day. Health comes first. I pray that our electric stays on and we could continue to buy food. Everything else could wait. zella : I feel your anxiety and hope you'll be okay. For some reason I'm in protection mode and have a new sense of calm. You and you dh have just too much on your plates. Too much. I almost wish there was an isolated safe place he could live until his chemo is over and his blood counts go back towards normal.
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Post by juliet on Mar 10, 2020 1:26:10 GMT
Important evening over here in the south of the Netherlands. We’re not allowed to go into work for the upcoming seven days (and I work at a university...). We have the most Corona-cases of the country, so that’s why we’re the first province with this new rule.
And our vacation to Italy (April) was also cancelled by the travel organization.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 10, 2020 1:52:07 GMT
Italy has just instituted nationwide travel restrictions. You will not be allowed out of the area in which you live unless you meet several defined (and fairly strict) requirements. Bars and nighttime entertainment must close at dusk. Schools are closed until April 3. How awful to be the prime minister of a country and have to make decisions like this that will affect people's lives for years. I'm telling DH that we probably have no more than two weeks left here in our area before we see draconian measures being taken as well. I hope I am wrong, but this is spreading so fast. Interesting choice of words ‘draconian’ - Not preventative?
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Post by snowsilver on Mar 10, 2020 2:28:47 GMT
Italy has just instituted nationwide travel restrictions. You will not be allowed out of the area in which you live unless you meet several defined (and fairly strict) requirements. Bars and nighttime entertainment must close at dusk. Schools are closed until April 3. How awful to be the prime minister of a country and have to make decisions like this that will affect people's lives for years. I'm telling DH that we probably have no more than two weeks left here in our area before we see draconian measures being taken as well. I hope I am wrong, but this is spreading so fast. Interesting choice of words ‘draconian’ - Not preventative? Thank you. Preventative would have been better.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 10, 2020 2:49:31 GMT
Interesting choice of words ‘draconian’ - Not preventative? Thank you. Preventative would have been better. I agree that some of the things we may have to do will be inconvenient and possibly difficult. However I’d hate to be responsible for infecting someone at risk & let’s face it, it is much easier for people to isolate themselves and prevent spread when official preventative measures are in place.
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 10, 2020 3:25:55 GMT
elaine , zella and @bergdorfblonde I understand your anxiety. I am right there with you! We now have 19 cases here in Pennsylvania. One is a pediatric cardiologist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He works out of the King of Prussia medical and surgical center. He is at UPenn Hospital in critical condition. A month ago I made an appointment for my son who is at high-risk of getting coronavirus (immuno suppressed) at the King of Prussia location for some tests. We chose this location to try to avoid coming in contact with so many people. His tests are scheduled for tomorrow. When they called me tonight to remind me of the appointment; I asked them how it was being handled with the infected doctor. They said that anyone who was working with him or came in contact with him at the center is on Self Quarantine and the entire facility has been completely disinfected. They are continually disinfecting the facility because of the coronavirus. I was going to have my son wear gloves and mask to the appointments. But they told me just to have him wash his hands.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 10, 2020 3:36:06 GMT
We now have 19 cases here in Pennsylvania. One is a pediatric cardiologist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He works out of the King of Prussia medical and surgical center. He is at UPenn Hospital in critical condition. this is scary! I mean, unless he's an elderly person who wasn't in good health, the fact that he's in critical condition?!? that's one of the scary things about this virus... the differences in how bad some people are affected, and the fact that there aren't really any similarities in what leads to certain people being affected worse than others.
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 10, 2020 3:44:34 GMT
crimsoncat05 I know. The Chinese doctor who discovered it was only 34 when he passed; but he was working with Coronavirus patients all day. I feel sorry for all of the sick kids who the pediatric cardiologist saw and exposed to it. He also went and spoke to some school and they had to shut down the school and some other schools in the school district; for fear of people coming down with it and spreading it. So they have been disinfecting the schools.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 10, 2020 3:45:30 GMT
We now have 19 cases here in Pennsylvania. One is a pediatric cardiologist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He works out of the King of Prussia medical and surgical center. He is at UPenn Hospital in critical condition. this is scary! I mean, unless he's an elderly person who wasn't in good health, the fact that he's in critical condition?!? that's one of the scary things about this virus... the differences in how bad some people are affected, and the fact that there aren't really any similarities in what leads to certain people being affected worse than others. Wasn’t the Chinese dr only 34? I think there is so much we don’t know at this point. Its only been a few months and it seems so much information is conflicting.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 10, 2020 3:46:33 GMT
My dad is scheduled for surgery that he needs desperately but it is elective. He will only have one night in the hospital and will be home. He really needs the surgery. I am concerned.
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Post by chlerbie on Mar 10, 2020 4:05:04 GMT
We now have 19 cases here in Pennsylvania. One is a pediatric cardiologist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He works out of the King of Prussia medical and surgical center. He is at UPenn Hospital in critical condition. this is scary! I mean, unless he's an elderly person who wasn't in good health, the fact that he's in critical condition?!? that's one of the scary things about this virus... the differences in how bad some people are affected, and the fact that there aren't really any similarities in what leads to certain people being affected worse than others. Italy is reporting that while it's more deadly for the elderly, many younger people are getting really serious pneumonias and can also need ventilators, etc.--they have also reported that they're going to have to decide--mostly by age--who gets the ventilators as time goes on as they don't have enough. That's one reason why I don't understand how people just assume they're going to get a mild case. People can get really, really sick from this.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Mar 10, 2020 4:48:06 GMT
this is scary! I mean, unless he's an elderly person who wasn't in good health, the fact that he's in critical condition?!? that's one of the scary things about this virus... the differences in how bad some people are affected, and the fact that there aren't really any similarities in what leads to certain people being affected worse than others. Wasn’t the Chinese dr only 34? I think there is so much we don’t know at this point. Its only been a few months and it seems so much information is conflicting. Yes, he was young. I think there is more than being reported. Italy is shut down. I had friends that fled China and they are scared. I get why... hysteria is worse than the Virus.
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