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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 13:40:04 GMT
Mandates for large theme parks (Disney, Universal, SeaWorld) All employees must wear face masks. Touchless hand sanitizer must be stationed at each ticketing entry/turnstile. Touchless hand sanitizer at each attraction entrance and exit. Temperature checks for staff prior to shift. (Those with temperatures over 100.4 will not be allowed to enter premises.) All employees with flu-like symptoms will be advised to stay at home. Wipe down all railings and surfaces after every use. Phase 1: 50% capacity Phase 2: 75% capacity Guidelines for large theme parks: Tape marking 6 ft apart in attraction queues. Staff to regularly wipe down surfaces at random. Phase 1 and Phase 2: Staff 65 years or older are encouraged to stay at home. "Universal Orlando Resort CEO John Sprouls indicated that planning was underway for virtual lines, staggered seating on rides and online food ordering. Sprouls said last week that even with steps such as enhanced cleaning, checking temperatures and observations by on-site medical personnel, guests will need to be confident that the facilities are safe. “If they don't feel safe, they won't attend,” Sprouls said." www.wesh.com/article/theme-parks-reopening-possible-mandates-florida/32305869When would you feel safe going back?
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Post by Skellinton on May 1, 2020 13:43:59 GMT
I would feel safe going back when guests are required to wear masks, but it sure would be nice to go when it was at 50% capacity! ETA. I also don’t see Disney or Universal opening anytime soon or with just these restrictions in place. I imagine They will both have much stricter provisions enacted before they open.
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Post by auntkelly on May 1, 2020 13:46:30 GMT
I wouldn't go now.
I don't have a problem with things gradually opening up and getting back to a "new normal."
However, I won't be going anywhere where there are large crowds until there is a vaccine and/or until there is a reliable antibody test and research has shown that those with the antibodies can't get it again.
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Post by padresfan619 on May 1, 2020 13:47:21 GMT
I didn’t go to theme parks before all of this so I doubt I’ll be going to one any time soon.
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Post by ashley on May 1, 2020 13:49:58 GMT
I would not feel safe. Temperature checks are health security theatre; evidence suggests actively ill covid patients don’t have fevers like 70% of the time, so not only can asymptomtic people be present but actually sick people are likely not to be detected. Further evidence suggests that during motion a slipstream of shed virus can be detected up to 20 feet behind an individual which sounds like a perfect way to spread the virus down the entire rollercoaster. Not to mention do you really believe that every surface of each ride seat, etc is going to be sanitized between riders?
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Post by pierkiss on May 1, 2020 13:51:43 GMT
Soooooo...what are the provisions for the people who are just wandering around the park? Is there a 6 ft rule for them? How would they enforce it? How about restaurants or food stands?
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Post by jenjie on May 1, 2020 13:58:47 GMT
“ Wipe down all railings and surfaces after every use.”
After every single person that touches it? Or after every ride? How is this supposed to work? 🤨
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Post by momto4kiddos on May 1, 2020 14:00:04 GMT
I think when they open will also factor in to the level of comfort people have in going to them. I had heard that it was possible they won't reopen this year. IF that was/is true then things will likely look a lot different then.
If they open this summer, I wouldn't be comfortable at all. If they open in 2021, then maybe...but i'd be watching how things are going with this virus in the meantime.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on May 1, 2020 14:03:04 GMT
Further evidence suggests that during motion a slipstream of shed virus can be detected up to 20 feet behind an individual which sounds like a perfect way to spread the virus down the entire rollercoaster. Not to mention do you really believe that every surface of each ride seat, etc is going to be sanitized between riders? Guest in car #1 has covid-19 and even if they space people every other car (or every two cars), I feel like everyone on the rest of the ride would be exposed. and I agree with pierkiss... how do you keep people from congregating? Are they not going to have character greetings? What about parades or shows where people stand together and watch?
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Post by joteves on May 1, 2020 14:28:47 GMT
We have tickets for Disneyland Paris for the first week in July and we are not going, no matter what safety measures they implement. Hopefully we will be able to get a refund or a voucher for next year. (I booked this holiday before the Covid_19 outbreak in Europe)
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Post by janamke on May 1, 2020 14:33:09 GMT
I have a trip planned to Disney in October, paid in full, no refunds if I back out on my own...as it currently stands we will not be going. Unless there is some major treatment breakthrough and Disney has strict requirements about who can enter parks, we are staying home. I want temperatures taken at the entrance to the park for all guests and mask required, park operating at less than full capacity for sure. I just don't see that happening.
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Post by bethany102399 on May 1, 2020 14:35:15 GMT
We were supposed to be IN Orlando on May 31st. Right now we've punted to August but honestly I really don't want to go. More out of a fear of heatstroke than a fear of the virus, though that's certainly present. I've waffled on this, but really I'm ready to just say we're home (no travel, not sheltering in place) until 2021.
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Post by bethany102399 on May 1, 2020 14:36:42 GMT
I have a trip planned to Disney in October, paid in full, no refunds if I back out on my own... I believe you can get refunds on everything but the tickets. Those have to be pushed back to another date. We're sitting on one day tickets, that now may or may not get used depending on when we go down.
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Post by Skellinton on May 1, 2020 14:41:29 GMT
I have a trip planned to Disney in October, paid in full, no refunds if I back out on my own...as it currently stands we will not be going. Unless there is some major treatment breakthrough and Disney has strict requirements about who can enter parks, we are staying home. I want temperatures taken at the entrance to the park for all guests and mask required, park operating at less than full capacity for sure. I just don't see that happening. As Ashley said above though having a temperature is not an accurate way to see if someone is potentially infected and in any even all people have to do if they have a temperature is pop some Tylenol. We see it all the time at school. Parents constantly send their kids back to school the day after they are sent home with fevers because they give them Tylenol and “they seem fine, no fever! Here ya go”. By 1 o’clock the Tylenol has worn off and the kids have a fever again. I wonder what restrictions Disney can put on who can enter their park and what those would be? Not picking on you, but genuinely curious what they can do. I would be surprised if they open up this year, sadly because I have a long planned and delayed trip set for about the same time as you and it makes me really sad to realize we probably won’t get to go. If they do open they won’t likely have parades or face character meet and greets. They would also likely require people use the app to order and pick up food.
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Post by luckyexwife on May 1, 2020 14:46:06 GMT
“ Wipe down all railings and surfaces after every use.” After every single person that touches it? Or after every ride? How is this supposed to work? 🤨 That was my question, how is that supposed to work? On another note, how much garage is being created with all the disposable wipes and other things being used? I know it's not avoidable right now, but it's crazy. Last year, there was the big push to get rid of disposable straws, now in my state, one of the measures for restaurants reopening is using wrapped disposable straws for everyone.
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Post by jenjie on May 1, 2020 14:50:43 GMT
“ Wipe down all railings and surfaces after every use.” After every single person that touches it? Or after every ride? How is this supposed to work? 🤨 That was my question, how is that supposed to work? On another note, how much garage is being created with all the disposable wipes and other things being used? I know it's not avoidable right now, but it's crazy. Last year, there was the big push to get rid of disposable straws, now in my state, one of the measures for restaurants reopening is using wrapped disposable straws for everyone. Priorities shift. And sometimes they need to. But this is interesting. Less emissions but more plastics. And apparently too many people still don’t know not to litter, if the pics of abandoned gloves are any indication.
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Post by janamke on May 1, 2020 14:51:20 GMT
I have a trip planned to Disney in October, paid in full, no refunds if I back out on my own... I believe you can get refunds on everything but the tickets. Those have to be pushed back to another date. We're sitting on one day tickets, that now may or may not get used depending on when we go down. We are booked through a group dance tour, if the parks are open and we decide not to go no refund.
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Post by janamke on May 1, 2020 14:54:13 GMT
I have a trip planned to Disney in October, paid in full, no refunds if I back out on my own...as it currently stands we will not be going. Unless there is some major treatment breakthrough and Disney has strict requirements about who can enter parks, we are staying home. I want temperatures taken at the entrance to the park for all guests and mask required, park operating at less than full capacity for sure. I just don't see that happening. As Ashley said above though having a temperature is not an accurate way to see if someone is potentially infected and in any even all people have to do if they have a temperature is pop some Tylenol. We see it all the time at school. Parents constantly send their kids back to school the day after they are sent home with fevers because they give them Tylenol and “they seem fine, no fever! Here ya go”. By 1 o’clock the Tylenol has worn off and the kids have a fever again. I wonder what restrictions Disney can put on who can enter their park and what those would be? Not picking on you, but genuinely curious what they can do. I would be surprised if they open up this year, sadly because I have a long planned and delayed trip set for about the same time as you and it makes me really sad to realize we probably won’t get to go. If they do open they won’t likely have parades or face character meet and greets. They would also likely require people use the app to order and pick up food. Gosh people suck. It would NEVER occur to me to drug myself or my kid in order to get into a theme park. Then really I have no idea what measures they could take. Right now my hope is for some miracle treatment or that the parks stay closed.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 1, 2020 14:55:32 GMT
Last year, there was the big push to get rid of disposable straws, now in my state, one of the measures for restaurants reopening is using wrapped disposable straws for everyone. I think you’re on to something. This whole virus malarkey is the brainchild of the beleaguered disposable straw industry.
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Post by SockMonkey on May 1, 2020 14:56:01 GMT
Theme parks are filth buckets. You couldn't pay me to set foot in one now or any time in the near future.
I feel bad for employees who have to put their lives at risk so people can ride a stupid ride.
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Post by tallgirl on May 1, 2020 14:58:32 GMT
We have a WDW trip planned for December. I think we're unlikely to go, though DH is more optimistic.
I think we will see the parks reopen in some capacity by about July. They are processing 'test guests' at Shanghai Disneyland now, and there are photos circulating online of social distancing stickers in ride queues, etc. I am glad that we will have that as a test case to watch and learn from.
I don't think that either temperature checks or masks are effective ways to control the spread of covid, though I think that they both offer mental reassurance to folks that the business is doing all they can do. And I think in Disney's case that the mental component is huge. People need to feel safe before they will return.
I think the big question is what they will return to. Our last trip to WDW was in 2014, so this year's trip was meant to catch us up on everything that's been added to the parks since then. It's also supposed to be our first ever Christmas trip. But I expect the parades and fireworks will be the last things to return to normal, so will it really be the full holiday experience if those aren't happening? Will Disney discount park tickets to reflect the fact that those things are missing? I expect they will need to use deep discounts to lure people into the parks, particularly since this pandemic is a one-two punch of both health concerns and financial crisis for so many. But what is the best way to do that? Surely it's not Free Dining, when they need to attempt to shed customers from restaurants, not pack them in.
There are so many unknowns - I can't imagine trying to make feasible plans in that industry right now. Good luck to them.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 1, 2020 15:01:40 GMT
I love Disney but there is no way in hell I would go anytime soon. People in general are dumb and have proven that they just can’t social distance. Couple that with being in a place that caters to kids, and kids are normally all kinds of gross when it comes to touching every.possible.thing and then constantly sticking their hands in their mouths and noses, and that would be one huge NOPE from me.
I’m not generally a germaphobe but I also take reasonable precautions and do what I can to minimize risk from illness (I get flu shots, clean with bleach when people in my family are sick, follow the school’s guidelines for keeping my kid home, etc.) With something like Covid where there’s no vaccine and there isn’t even enough testing to follow up with contact tracing when they KNOW someone has it? Nope. I’m not taking any unnecessary chances with my health or my family’s. My kid has had double lobe pneumonia in the past, DH has some health issues that could prove problematic if he caught it, so I would rather err on the side of caution.
I’m taking a page out of DH’s playbook and will just stay the heck away from crowds and crowded places.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 1, 2020 15:13:22 GMT
tallgirl I doubt very much that Disney will discount their tickets to get people to come back to the parks, because they had been having trouble (pre-Covid) in limiting how many people were going. We went to WDW last year and DH was talking to one of the bus drivers while we were waiting to take a shuttle back to the hotel. We were there in March and the place was packed. The bus driver we talked to said that they can only build stuff so fast, plus they are physically limited to how much the park can expand. The only tool they have to control the numbers of people wanting to go there is raising ticket prices to slow the number of people going there, and even that doesn’t work because the people just keep coming no matter how expensive they make it.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 1, 2020 15:23:24 GMT
I'm totally fascinated? (not sure that's the right word, coffee hasn't kicked in) with how the parks will make any of this work.
First off, I can't see them fully opening everything in the park like everything is normal. Because there is no way 50% capacity will pay for all the costs is takes to run one of these parks for a day. Sure they have slower days during normal times, but not every single day. Oh and who decides what that 50% capacity will be? Capacity based on what exactly? If only 6 rides are open, is it 50% of what those rides can hold? 50% of what the lines can hold with 6 feet of space?
Then you have who will be able to go? If this is only for current LOCAL pass holders, Disney has said in the past that local pass holders do not spend enough money in the parks. They go, ride the rides, maybe buy a few treats and leave. Come back the next day and repeat. Local pass holders cannot support the parks on their own. So if they are the only ones going, how long can the parks support that?
For anyone else who may want to go, if you purchase a ticket are you guaranteed entry? What if you show up and all the local pass holders have taken up the 50% capacity? That would not be fun to plan around. And this doesn't even get into people traveling there and needing to stay in the hotels, eat out, etc. That's a whole other can of worms.
Then you have the whole cleaning all surfaces after each? Yea, that's even more personnel needing to clean as a full time job the whole day. So adding even more costs to a park needing to run with half it's normal paying customers? And if most of those are locals not spending money, just riding rides, there is no income to support running these parks.
I can't wait to see what they figure out, because I know they will. But I can't really see them opening this summer without the visitors who travel to these parks and spend tons of money at the hotels, parks, restaurants and surrounding shopping centers. There is no way flights, hotels and restaurants will be ready to fully open for travelers. Open to locals only, how will they be able to fully support the costs to run these parks when they spend so little (according to Disney)? They aren't even buying daily entry tickets since they already own season passes. Pass holders can walk through the door, ride all the rides and then leave without spending a single penny. These parks cannot run fully open with them alone.
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Post by papersilly on May 1, 2020 15:26:43 GMT
we are Disney annual passholders. we prefer to go during off peak times because we know how crazy the lines can get. a popular ride can have an hour and a half wait in a very long line, in a very tight area, where people are packed together. i can't wrap my mind around how they will space one of those lines 6 feet apart when you have attractions butted up next to each other. it's tough enough as it is during off peak times. can you imagine summer or holidays? especially at Disneyland Resort in California where there is less real estate than Disney World.
i have every faith that Disney can make it work somehow on limited park capacity but something will have to give. i have no doubt they will raise the prices AGAIN to offset the lower park capacity but it will be interesting to see how they handle the in-park logistics. theory and practice are two different things.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 1, 2020 15:32:39 GMT
An hour and a half is nothing. When we were at WDW last year people were waiting in the standby line for OVER THREE HOURS to go on the Avatar ride. We had a fast pass and even that line was crazy long. We just couldn’t wrap our heads around waiting in a queue for almost half a day just to go on a single ride.
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Post by Enna on May 1, 2020 15:35:39 GMT
I had a trip planned to Orlando in July and I was going to spend a day or two in Disney. I cancelled the trip, but even if wasn't the case, there is no way I would go to theme park now. Or for a while.
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Post by Belle on May 1, 2020 15:45:08 GMT
we are Disney annual passholders. we prefer to go during off peak times because we know how crazy the lines can get. a popular ride can have an hour and a half wait in a very long line, in a very tight area, where people are packed together. i can't wrap my mind around how they will space one of those lines 6 feet apart when you have attractions butted up next to each other. it's tough enough as it is during off peak times. can you imagine summer or holidays? especially at Disneyland Resort in California where there is less real estate than Disney World. i have every faith that Disney can make it work somehow on limited park capacity but something will have to give. i have no doubt they will raise the prices AGAIN to offset the lower park capacity but it will be interesting to see how they handle the in-park logistics. theory and practice are two different things. If they limit occupancy to 50% they may be able to have enough space for lining people up 6 feet apart. Fantasyland would be tough but maybe they will close access to Fantasyland and only allow so many in at a time? The lineup for Splash Mountain is pretty tight at the end as well as the Matterhorn and those are just 2 that I can think of right now. Guessing the submarine ride won't be an option at all. And, what about shopping? The shops are not designed for any type of social distancing at all. I do wonder how they would handle the line up before the parks open? Maybe so many people wouldn't congregate because with only 50% occupancy, there wouldn't be a big benefit to being one of the first several hundred into the park?
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Post by tallgirl on May 1, 2020 15:51:02 GMT
I think it all depends on how many people are waiting at the gate when they do reopen. A huge percentage of their visitors are international guests, who may not have borders cleared to travel. Add that to Americans staying home due to illness or worry of illness and finances, and there may not be many people lined up at all. Couple that with limited features being offered, and they may need to drop the ticket price. At this point it's not so much about clearing a profit as about stemming the daily loss they are currently experiencing. And they need to build up their attendance to provide reassurance to even more guests to visit, so they can get back into the black.
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Post by quiltedbrain on May 1, 2020 15:52:34 GMT
The discussions I'm seeing/hearing in Disney forums and on podcasts in regards to queue lines are that they will go to virtual queues for all rides like the one they've used for Rise of the Resistance at Hollywood Studios. That doesn't address the issue of folks milling about the park when they are not on rides though.
We have a trip to WDW booked for late Aug/early Sept. So far we've only paid the deposit, so we wouldn't be out much if we have to cancel. I waffle back and forth over whether I think the trip will happen. The logical part of me says no way. The cavalier, loves Disney, doesn't want to listen to reason part of me says DH is a grocery store manager and I work part time in a behavioral health hospital (so an essential worker, too), DD was in school in NYC till mid March--we've been exposed, probably repeatedly and not come down with it (we think DD probably had a mild case in early April, but she didn't meet testing requirements at that time). How could WDW be any worse than what we've already been exposed to?
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