Jili
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Jun 26, 2014 1:26:48 GMT
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Post by Jili on May 6, 2020 17:43:29 GMT
I’m sorry, that’s awful. I’m using Zoom to meet with students. Administration has asked us to use the waiting room feature and to require passwords. I think that helps. We also only share the link (not publicly) just before the meeting.
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Post by malibou on May 6, 2020 17:47:38 GMT
I am so sorry something so gross and vile and evil has happened to you. I hope you are able to rest peacefully.
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Post by flanz on May 6, 2020 17:48:33 GMT
Horrific! ((HUGS))
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Post by leftturnonly on May 6, 2020 17:48:53 GMT
so I switched it to just seeing Jane full screen. That was a mistake. SMH. That's terrible! Of course you would have Jane full screen. I'd have done the same thing. I hadn't heard about meetings getting crashed like this. It's certainly not what you expect in a group about crocheting!
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Post by leftturnonly on May 6, 2020 17:50:48 GMT
I think a lot of primarily women's groups like this get creeps as "members". I suppose it must.
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Post by Really Red on May 6, 2020 17:54:48 GMT
OMG. I would be traumatized as well. I have heard of that happening, but know that people have to make sure that their meetings are private. It is seriously disturbed. I hope there is a hell for people like that. I am so sorry you saw this and even sorrier that poor child is going through that.
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Post by my.unquiet.mind on May 6, 2020 18:01:21 GMT
My school district has informed all staff members that we are not to use ZOOM for this exact reason. Google Meet tends to freeze up a lot, but I’d rather deal with that than something like what pjaye experienced. Yikes.
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Post by roberta on May 6, 2020 18:06:27 GMT
So sorry this happened to you. How utterly horrible for the child. May you only remember beautiful sights.
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Post by tara on May 6, 2020 18:16:35 GMT
This happened to me 20 years ago. I was surfing the web. I forgot what I was searching for but when I clicked on the link it took me to a pic of child porn. Like you, it took me a few seconds to register what I was as seeing. I panicked and turned the computer off. It made me sick and 20 years later I still have that picture burned in my brain. That poor child.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on May 6, 2020 19:07:08 GMT
We have used zoom for years within our agency for meetings. When COVID moved people to their homes for work and zoom meetings started increasing the sick ba@*%^ds took full advantage of people that were comfortable with it and did not use many, if any safeguards. Zoom took this very seriously and put in some automatic safeguards, but it is still up to the user to use them correctly.
I have had 3 zoom meetings today and have 3 or 4 the rest of this week. We use all safe guards in place no matter the size of the meeting.
Pjaye, I feel horrible for you and everyone that had to see that. I cannot imagine the shock and then the nausea at what was seen.
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Post by jennifercw on May 6, 2020 19:43:26 GMT
Of course I got it full screen - I think other participants probably had the multiscreen shot so it would have been a lot smaller and harder to see exactly what it was. I had that view at first but I wasn't interested in seeing 50 people in their homes - so I switched it to just seeing Jane full screen. That was a mistake. Unfortunately I don't think it works that way. When someone shares their screen, their screen will literally take over everyone else's entire screen. So sorry you all had to see that. I really just can't comprehend how people think sometimes... This is the third instance I’ve heard of this happening on Zoom and it is enough to make me stop using it. We used it weekly for a family Zoom chat and I’m horrified at the thought of my grandparents or my young nieces seeing something so traumatizing. I don’t trust the program’s security even with a password that’s only shared across a family. My understanding is that "zoom bombing" can only happen with links that are posted (or shared) publicly in some fashion. There are programs that can crawl through the web and mine zoom links automatically. Or people actively go looking for them and then share in forums that are set up so people can participate in zoom bombing as a group. If you are setting up a password protected meeting and only sharing the link privately you should be safe. BUT I can totally understand not wanting to take the chance.
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tduby1
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Jun 27, 2014 18:32:45 GMT
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Post by tduby1 on May 7, 2020 0:05:37 GMT
Seriously shocked and horrified and I feel sick. Why would someone even do this?? I'm participating in the latest Stylecraft crochet CAL and the designer is Jane Crawfoot. So today in the CAL Facebook group there was a post that Jane would be live in a zoom meeting to talk about the CAL. I'm still up so I thought I'd join in, the meeting was on for about 15 mins and there were about 50 or so women...then suddenly it flicks onto screen sharing and it's full frontal, full on child pornography VERY graphic. It took a minute for my brain to catch up with what I was seeing and as I was trying to to close it down someone was saying to the host "stop the screen sharing, oh my God, stop it now" and then I managed to exit. There's some sick fuckers in the world, and now we all have that image in our heads and OMG that poor child I don't even know what to do right now. WTF?? It's a crochet group. I actually feel like I am going to throw up. I've only used Zoom a couple of times...I assume the host will report it - can they trace it back to an IP address? I am so sorry.
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Post by yodutchess on May 7, 2020 0:29:33 GMT
I am so sorry. That is awful.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 7, 2020 0:30:02 GMT
Oh no, that is seriously fucked up! I hope you've managed to get a decent sleep. I feel sick just thinking about it, I can't imagine how I'd be feeling if I'd actually seen it.
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Nanner
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Post by Nanner on May 7, 2020 1:17:18 GMT
OMG, that's horrific!!!
I hope that somehow they can find this poor child and get them out of that terrible, terrible situation.
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Post by pjaye on May 7, 2020 1:26:16 GMT
Unfortunately I don't think it works that way. When someone shares their screen, their screen will literally take over everyone else's entire screen. I didn't know that, it was just based on a couple of comments posted to the Facebook group where one woman in the group said "it was a shame to ruin such a lovely chat about crochet and we all need to move on" I figured she couldn't have possibly registered exactly what was on her screen - and if it was just one of those little squares maybe she didn't get the full impact. I did have a bit of a cry when I went to bed, about what a horrible world it is for some children and the evil that men will do. I woke up with a banging headache. I did google a bit more this morning and found several articles, although there's no description of the porn content it sounds like it's the same video, some of the other Zoom meetings thought it was a live stream, but I think it was all the same video. In all cases they said the police has been involved and in ours the meeting was recorded which means they will be able to see the username etc...I didn't even think to look for that when it happened. Zoom are also well aware of it and obviously don't want it to keep happening either. Hopefully with so many police reports that child has or will be found and the men who keep passing this around can be stopped. Thanks everyone for the support - I appreciate it.
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Orangutan
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Dec 21, 2019 6:03:37 GMT
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Post by Orangutan on May 7, 2020 1:41:28 GMT
That's horrific. Something similar happened on primary school Zoom meeting last week. I don't think it was child porn thankfully but definitely adult content that hacked a meeting a teacher was having with her students.
Sick people.
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AllieC
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Jul 4, 2014 6:57:02 GMT
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Post by AllieC on May 7, 2020 3:25:37 GMT
That’s absolutely horrifying. I’m so sorry you had to see that. I would feel sick too. I’m glad they are reporting it to the police, I hope they can find the people who did this. You could report it in Australia to www.esafety.gov.au/report under their Report Illegal and Harmful Content section. You need a URL though but the Zoomone might work.
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Post by gillyp on May 7, 2020 6:50:42 GMT
I’m so sorry pjaye, that will be with you forever I expect. The woman who said move on either didn’t really know what had happened or has no feelings for those who unwittingly saw the film. Within a couple of hours of you posting this popped up on my news feed. news.met.police.uk/news/45-arrests-by-online-child-abuse-and-exploitation-unit-since-lockdown-401619 It’s a long article and I didn’t read it all but I think it would help you and the other ladies if the police would tell Stylecraft if and when the perpetrator is caught and Let you know that the child is safe. It’s human nature to need to know that a child is safe, unless you one of the barstewards involved. Big hugs to you.
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Post by candleangie on May 7, 2020 7:17:06 GMT
Oh my gosh, that’s horrible. I’m so sorry. That would stick with me for a very long time. I’m glad the police aren’t messing around
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Post by lesserknownpea on May 7, 2020 7:32:41 GMT
That is so sick and disgusting and I’m sorry you had to see it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 8:52:24 GMT
I’m so sorry pjaye , that will be with you forever I expect. The woman who said move on either didn’t really know what had happened or has no feelings for those who unwittingly saw the film. Within a couple of hours of you posting this popped up on my news feed. news.met.police.uk/news/45-arrests-by-online-child-abuse-and-exploitation-unit-since-lockdown-401619 It’s a long article and I didn’t read it all but I think it would help you and the other ladies if the police would tell Stylecraft if and when the perpetrator is caught and Let you know that the child is safe. It’s human nature to need to know that a child is safe, unless you one of the barstewards involved. Big hugs to you. The problem is much bigger than that though gillyp. Some of these child porn videos are years old and are spread across the internet, worldwide. It's a global problem and once the "local" police has passed it on to the cyber child protection unit for any particular country, that deals with this kind of crime. there's not a lot the " local" police would know about it. The video could have come from anywhere. The hacking of the host could also have come from anywhere in the world too. Zoom has issued an updated version - Zoom 5 to deal with some of the problems but ultimately, as with all other video conferencing/meetings of any platform the onus is on the host not to publicly give out that password, to use the waiting room to approve members but most of all to ensure that the host knows the people that join. Unfortunately, that risk applies to them all whether they are using zoom/google meets of any other. If you have large public meetings consisting of people from all over the world that are not known to the host personally then the risk of this happening is always there. This is copied from the national Cyber Security site for the UK Hosting and joining calls
It's important that you can control who can join your video conferencing call. For specific instructions, refer to the support website of the service you're using. However, the following general rules apply:
Do not make the calls public. Connect directly to the people you want to call using your contacts/address book, or provide private links to the individual contacts. For some video conferencing services, you can set up the call so that a password is required in order to join. This adds another layer of protection. Do not post the link (or the password) publicly.
Know who is joining your call. If you are organising the call for your family or friends consider using the lobby feature to ensure you know who has arrived. This is especially useful if individuals are joining the call via an unrecognised phone number. Make sure people are who they say they are before they join the call (the password function described above can help with this).
Consider your surroundings. Take a moment to think about what your camera shows when you're on a call. Would you want to share that information with strangers? Consider blurring or changing your background - you'll find instructions on how to do this on the support website for your video conferencing service.
Finally, make sure that all your devices and applications (not just the video conferencing software) are kept up to date. Applying software updates is one of the most important things you can do to protect yourself online. Update all the apps (and your device's operating system) whenever you're prompted. It will add new features and immediately improve your security.
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purplebee
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Jun 27, 2014 20:37:34 GMT
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Post by purplebee on May 7, 2020 12:21:15 GMT
Oh Pjaye, what a horrifying situation. I agree that there has to be a place in hell for child abusers. So many sickening things in the world. I wish you a brighter day today with the hopes that this will eventually fade from your mind. Not sure how anyone could just”move on” after seeing that...
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Post by mrssmith on May 7, 2020 22:00:21 GMT
This happened in an art group a friend of mine runs. The link was posted in an FB group that is private but not secret. I was not on when it happened. She now emails us the Zoom invite if we want to join. All of my Zooms are set to have the "waiting room" although I'm sure there will be a way to hack that too.
Sorry you experienced this and heartbroken for the child.
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Post by peasapie on May 7, 2020 22:03:33 GMT
That's awful and something you won't be able to forget. I'm so sorry. For you and for those kids. Damn. I hope the FBI gets involved and can figure out where it came from.
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trollie
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Jul 2, 2014 22:14:02 GMT
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Post by trollie on May 8, 2020 0:15:26 GMT
Would you please add a trigger warning to your thread title? I am not upset with you and am so sorry you experienced that, but the topic is triggering and I have already been having a hard time sleeping.
Even though the word traumatizing is in your title, sometimes you open a thread with that kind of title and it's some silly story about someone being served uncrustables or sidewalk cupcakes.
If someone else already asked, sorry I broke refugee rule #173772 and only read the first page.
Please and thank you.
ETA - I hope they catch that rotten bastard and I don't care if he is punished his to the fullest extent of the law or brought to justice via vigilante
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