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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 31, 2020 15:18:46 GMT
Many of you know, but i just need to say it out loud.
At least in my city, the people who peacefully protested, the people who held signs and spoke their hearts & minds, and held moments of silence, were NOT the people who later flipped police cars & burned them. Not the people who graffitied on each building. Not the people who broke every store window. Not the people who looted stores, stealing cases of sneakers, armfuls of clothes still on hangers, electronics from the Apple Store. Not the same people who set buildings on fire.
Protesters are lawful.
Looters and destroyers are not.
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Post by catck on May 31, 2020 16:06:46 GMT
I was horrified to see the destruction in Seattle, burnt out cars, looters, tear gas. I wanted to go to the protest but so glad I didn’t after seeing the news yesterday. This was not about the murder of George Floyd and his death is now getting lost in the violence 😢
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Post by tincin on May 31, 2020 16:43:48 GMT
How can they not see they won't receive respect by clearly showing they don't deserve it. You cannot be serious! POC have been peacefully protesting for decades with few results. It seems the only time there is progress is when we push them to the breaking point. Then we sit back and denigrate them for fighting back.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 16:50:29 GMT
How can they not see they won't receive respect by clearly showing they don't deserve it. You cannot be serious! POC have been peacefully protesting for decades with few results. It seems the only time there is progress is when we push them to the breaking point. Then we sit back and denigrate them for fighting back. The fear so many of us are feeling TODAY is what too many POC feel
EVERY DAY.
And that is the monster tragedy on top of the other tragedies.
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Post by tincin on May 31, 2020 17:02:56 GMT
You cannot be serious! POC have been peacefully protesting for decades with few results. It seems the only time there is progress is when we push them to the breaking point. Then we sit back and denigrate them for fighting back. The fear so many of us are feeling TODAY is what too many POC feel
EVERY DAY.
And that is the monster tragedy on top of the other tragedies.
i cannot imagine the stress of living everyday with this. I’m so sorry we cannot do better in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 18:29:40 GMT
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Post by colleen on Jun 1, 2020 18:46:20 GMT
At the risk of looking dumb and insensitive—what reaction am I supposed to have to the looting and other violence? I understand (as much as someone can in my position) being pushed to the breaking point of frustration and anger — but what do they hope to accomplish? That’s where I’m stuck.
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Post by roberta on Jun 1, 2020 18:50:28 GMT
There is a lot of photo evidence out there that the many of the looters and rioters are white and not those who are protesting Black deaths.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 5:46:44 GMT
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Post by busy on Jun 2, 2020 5:55:12 GMT
At the risk of looking dumb and insensitive—what reaction am I supposed to have to the looting and other violence? I understand (as much as someone can in my position) being pushed to the breaking point of frustration and anger — but what do they hope to accomplish? That’s where I’m stuck. You’re supposed to think... shit. I should be way angrier about the systemic racism that allows agents of our government to repeatedly kill people of color with no consequences than I am about some property getting destroyed or damaged.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 2, 2020 6:13:52 GMT
At the risk of looking dumb and insensitive—what reaction am I supposed to have to the looting and other violence? I understand (as much as someone can in my position) being pushed to the breaking point of frustration and anger — but what do they hope to accomplish? That’s where I’m stuck. You’re supposed to think... shit. I should be way angrier about the systemic racism that allows agents of our government to repeatedly kill people of color with no consequences than I am about some property getting destroyed or damaged. While I in no way condone the violence, property can be rebuilt, George Floyd will never draw another breath. That can never be fixed. oops! I just realized that I originally typed condemn. It should have said condoned. Fixed it. Those that resort to violence and looting are criminals.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Jun 2, 2020 11:37:01 GMT
So, will it be 14 days and quite a few of these people both protestors and first responders will be sick with Covid? This whole thing just makes me sick. All of it....... These PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING KILLED WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS after GENERATIONS OF ASKING TO BE TREATED FAIRLY. Will they even begin to survive THE MOST BASIC ENCOUNTERS WITH POLICE? I’m so sad. There, I fixed it for you.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 3, 2020 16:33:34 GMT
At the risk of looking dumb and insensitive—what reaction am I supposed to have to the looting and other violence? I understand (as much as someone can in my position) being pushed to the breaking point of frustration and anger — but what do they hope to accomplish? That’s where I’m stuck. You’re supposed to think... shit. I should be way angrier about the systemic racism that allows agents of our government to repeatedly kill people of color with no consequences than I am about some property getting destroyed or damaged. "When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson." Barack Obama
A lot of the videos I've been seeing where there are both protesters and looters, I see the protesters going after the looters to get them to stop because they are a different, destructive element to the message they are trying to get across. Whereas looters are just...opportunists.
ETA:
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Post by pierogi on Jun 3, 2020 19:06:23 GMT
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Post by busy on Jun 3, 2020 19:26:33 GMT
You’re supposed to think... shit. I should be way angrier about the systemic racism that allows agents of our government to repeatedly kill people of color with no consequences than I am about some property getting destroyed or damaged. "When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson." Barack Obama
A lot of the videos I've been seeing where there are both protesters and looters, I see the protesters going after the looters to get them to stop because they are a different, destructive element to the message they are trying to get across. Whereas looters are just...opportunists.
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I'm not supporting looting. I'm just saying I wish people would stop being more worried about property destruction than about the systemic injustice and murders of black Americans that started the protests (which gave the looters their chance to be opportunistic). Eyes on the real issue, folks. The protestors are concerned with trying to stop the looting because they know that white folks will point at those "few bad apples" to delegitimize the entire cause. Funny how those same white folks don't apply that same mindset to the "few bad apples" in policing. Then they focus on how many cops are good. Hmmm. Wonder why the inconsistency?
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Post by busy on Jun 3, 2020 19:47:34 GMT
Also, while there's most definitely real property damage and stealing happening, things like this are happening too:
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 3, 2020 21:40:27 GMT
"When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson." Barack Obama
A lot of the videos I've been seeing where there are both protesters and looters, I see the protesters going after the looters to get them to stop because they are a different, destructive element to the message they are trying to get across. Whereas looters are just...opportunists. ETA:
I'm not supporting looting. I'm just saying I wish people would stop being more worried about property destruction than about the systemic injustice and murders of black Americans that started the protests (which gave the looters their chance to be opportunistic). Eyes on the real issue, folks. The protestors are concerned with trying to stop the looting because they know that white folks will point at those "few bad apples" to delegitimize the entire cause. Funny how those same white folks don't apply that same mindset to the "few bad apples" in policing. Then they focus on how many cops are good. Hmmm. Wonder why the inconsistency? There is no mutual exclusivity here, we can care about both.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2020 21:51:35 GMT
My dad mentioned tonight that the losses these businesses are sustaining will most likely not be covered by insurance because they are resulting from criminal offenses. I hadn't even thought about that (with apologies if this topic has already been discussed here). The death of George Floyd was horrific. So is the destruction taking place across this country. And the deaths listed as COVID won't be covered by insurance as they are an act of God. (or something like that)
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2020 21:53:15 GMT
Many of you know, but i just need to say it out loud. At least in my city, the people who peacefully protested, the people who held signs and spoke their hearts & minds, and held moments of silence, were NOT the people who later flipped police cars & burned them. Not the people who graffitied on each building. Not the people who broke every store window. Not the people who looted stores, stealing cases of sneakers, armfuls of clothes still on hangers, electronics from the Apple Store. Not the same people who set buildings on fire. Protesters are lawful. Looters and destroyers are not. I just want to repeat this over and over and over.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2020 22:01:31 GMT
I wonder what are parents, grandparents and great grandparents would have posted in message boards back during the civil rights era. My mother would have been outraged! My father would have called for peace and change. My grandmother would have been praying with her whole heart and soul. My other grandparents would have been in constant contact with their friends to 1) see how they were doing and 2) keep updated on danger My aunt and uncle would be posting pictures of the protests that they took when they were there. Not a whole lot different from what I'm seeing. ETA - Sorry if you get a notice MizIndependent - I misquoted you and have since deleted it.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2020 22:33:08 GMT
I'm not supporting looting. I'm just saying I wish people would stop being more worried about property destruction than about the systemic injustice and murders of black Americans that started the protests (which gave the looters their chance to be opportunistic). Eyes on the real issue, folks. The real issue isn't property as property. The real issue to this massive destruction is the overwhelming destitution that it leaves whole communities in. Communities that are represented by the very excellent video that you posted 2nd there. General you used here: And just who do you think makes up the majority of these communities? People of color. People in desperate situations. Honest, hardworking people who have scraped enough to come to this country to start their own businesses. Women raising children alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 22:40:51 GMT
".S. Attorney Nicholas A. Trutanich for the District of Nevada, Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson, Special Agent in Charge Aaron C. Rouse for the FBI, and Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department announced today that three alleged members of the “Boogaloo” movement — a term used by extremists to signify a coming civil war and/or collapse of society — have been charged with violations of federal and state law for conspiracy to cause destruction during protests in Las Vegas, and possession of an unregistered destructive device (specifically, an improvised incendiary device commonly known as a Molotov cocktail).
“Violent instigators have hijacked peaceful protests and demonstrations across the country, including Nevada, exploiting the real and legitimate outrage over Mr. Floyd’s death for their own radical agendas,” said U.S. Attorney Trutanich. “Law enforcement is focused on keeping violence and destruction from interfering with free public expression and threatening lives.”
Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson stated: “My office is committed to aggressively prosecuting those who make it their mission to create chaos and destruction with total disregard for the safety and well-being of our citizens and the law enforcement officers sworn to protect and serve our community. This type of planning and intent on causing mayhem is terroristic and will not be tolerated. Thankfully, the Joint Terrorism Task Force is able to identify and stop such actions. Now it’s my job to hold these men accountable.”
Meanwhile the Karens of the world 'tut tut' the protests for being violent (which they largely ARE NOT) while they raise white sons who thrive on and exploit the protests for their own violent purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 22:45:03 GMT
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Post by *KAS* on Jun 3, 2020 22:49:50 GMT
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Post by busy on Jun 4, 2020 0:29:02 GMT
There were widespread protests, riots, looting and property damage following MLK Jr's assassination (April 1968). According to the Smithsonian, "in the 10 days following King’s death, nearly 200 cities experienced looting, arson or sniper fire, and 54 of those cities saw more than $100,000 in property damage." In a quick search, I was able to find estimated dollar values of the damage in 5 of those cities (DC - $26MM, Baltimore - $13.5MM, Kansas City - $4MM, Chicago - $13MM, NYC - $4MM). In the most conservative possible calculation - using the identified amounts for the 5 cities and $100K for each of the other 49 cities - that comes out to $63,400,000 in damage (note: most things seemed to be counting only *insured* property, so the actual losses were likely much higher).
That's $480,716,447 in today's dollars. Nearly half a billion dollars.
As a response, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 quickly passed (though similar legislation had been languishing and meeting much resistance since 1966).
You may not like it, but it's revisionist history to think that destructive actions don't yield results.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 4, 2020 1:01:50 GMT
There were widespread protests, riots, looting and property damage following MLK Jr's assassination (April 1968). According to the Smithsonian, "in the 10 days following King’s death, nearly 200 cities experienced looting, arson or sniper fire, and 54 of those cities saw more than $100,000 in property damage." In a quick search, I was able to find estimated dollar values of the damage in 5 of those cities (DC - $26MM, Baltimore - $13.5MM, Kansas City - $4MM, Chicago - $13MM, NYC - $4MM). In the most conservative possible calculation - using the identified amounts for the 5 cities and $100K for each of the other 49 cities - that comes out to $63,400,000 in damage (note: most things seemed to be counting only *insured* property, so the actual losses were likely much higher). That's $480,716,447 in today's dollars. Nearly half a billion dollars. As a response, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 quickly passed (though similar legislation had been languishing and meeting much resistance since 1966). You may not like it, but it's revisionist history to think that destructive actions don't yield results. Some white people seem to have the idea that the civil rights movement was just a bunch of well dressed black people singing hymns. It's whitewashing in the truest sense of the word. The civil rights movement was built on the bodies and blood of black people and their allies.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 4, 2020 1:06:25 GMT
There were widespread protests, riots, looting and property damage following MLK Jr's assassination (April 1968). According to the Smithsonian, "in the 10 days following King’s death, nearly 200 cities experienced looting, arson or sniper fire, and 54 of those cities saw more than $100,000 in property damage." In a quick search, I was able to find estimated dollar values of the damage in 5 of those cities (DC - $26MM, Baltimore - $13.5MM, Kansas City - $4MM, Chicago - $13MM, NYC - $4MM). In the most conservative possible calculation - using the identified amounts for the 5 cities and $100K for each of the other 49 cities - that comes out to $63,400,000 in damage (note: most things seemed to be counting only *insured* property, so the actual losses were likely much higher). That's $480,716,447 in today's dollars. Nearly half a billion dollars. As a response, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 quickly passed (though similar legislation had been languishing and meeting much resistance since 1966). You may not like it, but it's revisionist history to think that destructive actions don't yield results. Some white people seem to have the idea that the civil rights movement was just a bunch of well dressed black people singing hymns. It's whitewashing in the truest sense of the word. The civil rights movement was built on the bodies and blood of black people and their allies. Yep, I didn't read about it in books, I watched it go down in real time it. It was a bloodbath and lasted a very long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 1:30:43 GMT
There were widespread protests, riots, looting and property damage following MLK Jr's assassination (April 1968). According to the Smithsonian, "in the 10 days following King’s death, nearly 200 cities experienced looting, arson or sniper fire, and 54 of those cities saw more than $100,000 in property damage." In a quick search, I was able to find estimated dollar values of the damage in 5 of those cities (DC - $26MM, Baltimore - $13.5MM, Kansas City - $4MM, Chicago - $13MM, NYC - $4MM). In the most conservative possible calculation - using the identified amounts for the 5 cities and $100K for each of the other 49 cities - that comes out to $63,400,000 in damage (note: most things seemed to be counting only *insured* property, so the actual losses were likely much higher). That's $480,716,447 in today's dollars. Nearly half a billion dollars. As a response, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 quickly passed (though similar legislation had been languishing and meeting much resistance since 1966). You may not like it, but it's revisionist history to think that destructive actions don't yield results. Some white people seem to have the idea that the civil rights movement was just a bunch of well dressed black people singing hymns. It's whitewashing in the truest sense of the word. The civil rights movement was built on the bodies and blood of black people and their allies. Those are the same white people who love to talk about how Republicans freed the slaves and how Democrats (who left the party over it) fought Johnson on civil rights. Yeah, if you need to go back 150 years to find something good Republicans have done for POC, or go back almost 70 years to "democrats" who switched parties rather than support civil rights, you might want to rethink your logic about how great the GOP is for black Americans.
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Post by jackietex on Jun 4, 2020 2:39:52 GMT
Concerning insurance coverage, "The Insurance Information Institute said riots, civil commotion, vandalism, looting and fire in the U.S. are covered perils under virtually all business owners and commercial insurance property policies. Merchandise stolen by looters will also be covered.
III said about 40 percent of small to mid-sized businesses are also protected by business interruption coverage.
“Even if the business was still shut down or operating at limited capacity due to the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic, most insurers will determine income loss based on a 12-month assessment of the operation’s income,” the Institute said in an email.
That coverage may also protect businesses that have to shut down early because of curfews imposed by city governments, III said." (ClaimsJournal.com)
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