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Post by annabella on Oct 30, 2014 4:06:44 GMT
linkI saw a discussion of this both on the Today show where Hoda didn't see the big deal and on Good Morning America where Gale didn't see the big deal so I wondered if it's a black thing? What happens in the video happens to me every single day, random (black) men of all ages on the street always want to say hi to me. I've been to north carolina where strangers say hello to everyone, it's not the same thing. I find it annoying as hell because if you ignore then they could catch an attitude with you but I don't feel like making eye contact with the shady characters I pass on the street because that could then open it up to more conversation. Did anyone else see this piece this morning on the news?
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Post by luvnlifelady on Oct 30, 2014 5:11:19 GMT
I saw it online. I didn't think a good percentage of them were what they said were "cat calls." I thought many of them were just guys being polite. I think of "cat calls" as being whistled at by a construction worker or other types of harasssment. I wouldn't want the guys walking with me like some of them did though.
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Post by chances on Oct 30, 2014 5:24:20 GMT
It's definitely not a black thing and I'm annoyed that she chose a largely black and Latino neighborhood. That said, I think it's a very big deal. Strangers invading my space, commenting on my appearance is not a compliment. It's rude at best and aggressively sexist at worst. I think the video did a good job of showing the cumulative effects of this type of behavior. Having to deal with the comments all day everyday is tiring and unnecesary. The whole thing makes me so mad.
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Post by theshyone on Oct 30, 2014 5:26:54 GMT
I didn't think it was cat calls either. I don't consider a cat call harassment either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 5:55:52 GMT
It was discussed quite a bit on Fox today. The general consensus was that it wasn't cool and no one wanted to have that kind of 'intrusion' from strangers while just walking down the street. It was also noted that some areas are worse than others. Highly populated areas with lots of foot traffic will see more of this than areas that are more bare.
That said, I'm a bit too old and fluffy to garner 'cat calls' (or whatever you want to call them) anymore, but back in the day one or two compliments once in while was a bit of an ego boost. Creepy guy walking with her for 5 minutes? The barrage of comments every 6 minutes on average? Not so much.
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Post by gar on Oct 30, 2014 7:45:54 GMT
That said, I'm a bit too old and fluffy to garner 'cat calls' (or whatever you want to call them) anymore, but back in the day one or two compliments once in while was a bit of an ego boost. Creepy guy walking with her for 5 minutes? The barrage of comments every 6 minutes on average? Not so much. L That. It would be interesting to see it done with a different woman in a different area though.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Oct 30, 2014 9:42:45 GMT
I think it would be interesting to show other women as well. Like a very overweight woman, or an unattractive woman, or an obviously wealthy woman, or different races. Same streets, same day preferably, just different women. I imagine the comments would be vastly different, but possibly not.
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Post by Miss Ang on Oct 30, 2014 11:48:07 GMT
linkI saw a discussion of this both on the Today show where Hoda didn't see the big deal and on Good Morning America where Gale didn't see the big deal so I wondered if it's a black thing? I'm not sure why you would say that. The woman that actually made this video you're referring to is not black is she?. So, no, I would not say this is a black thing. ETA: Maybe I'm misreading your comment. Do you mean that black women don't find it offensive? I guess I was confused on what your point is. Sorry!
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Post by annabella on Oct 30, 2014 11:52:25 GMT
linkI saw a discussion of this both on the Today show where Hoda didn't see the big deal and on Good Morning America where Gale didn't see the big deal so I wondered if it's a black thing? I'm not sure why you would say that. The woman that actually made this video you're referring to is not black is she?. So, no, I would not say this is a black thing. I'm not sure why you would think I'm talking about the woman?
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Post by Miss Ang on Oct 30, 2014 11:54:04 GMT
I'm not sure why you would say that. The woman that actually made this video you're referring to is not black is she?. So, no, I would not say this is a black thing. I'm not sure why you would think I'm talking about the woman? I just updated my post above. I think I misunderstand what you were saying. I'm sorry. It's early. I must need more coffee!
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Post by corinne11 on Oct 30, 2014 12:05:36 GMT
I don't know how to link, but on our news there is an update saying that white guys were edited out. ETA the producer says they were out of range of camera or couldn't be heard because of street noise.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 30, 2014 12:18:08 GMT
I saw it online. I didn't think a good percentage of them were what they said were "cat calls." I thought many of them were just guys being polite. I think of "cat calls" as being whistled at by a construction worker or other types of harasssment. I wouldn't want the guys walking with me like some of them did though. Someone else said this and it made sense until I thought about whether these polite guys would be saying the exact same polite things to men.
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Post by smartypants71 on Oct 30, 2014 13:51:18 GMT
It's annoying as hell. I would say that probably 90% weren't saying those things to be polite. I can't imagine many women are going around saying, "Good morning, handsome!" to men walking down the street. It would just be weird and creepy.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 30, 2014 14:08:52 GMT
Guys being polite? Yea, I don't think so.
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 30, 2014 14:11:31 GMT
linkI saw a discussion of this both on the Today show where Hoda didn't see the big deal and on Good Morning America where Gale didn't see the big deal so I wondered if it's a black thing? I'm not sure why you would say that. The woman that actually made this video you're referring to is not black is she?. So, no, I would not say this is a black thing. ETA: Maybe I'm misreading your comment. Do you mean that black women don't find it offensive? I guess I was confused on what your point is. Sorry! I took it the other way...seems that a very high percentage of the cat-callers were black. So the question "is it a black thing", are black men just more confident/extroverted?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 30, 2014 14:12:13 GMT
I would be curious to see a map of where she walked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:14:09 GMT
Juxtapose that video with this: Real sexual harrassmentNot to say that this woman in NYC doesn't have the right to be annoyed, but I'm tired of women here crying about petty crap like this when other women in this world are having their lives detroyed and their rights stripped just because they are women. ISIS is selling women into slavery, slaughtering those that won't comply. Iran just hung a woman for killing her rapist in self defense. So A woman gets some unwanted attention over a 10 hour period in a city of 3.5 million people. Some people say hi to her or comment on her beauty. A man comments on the WORDS she has chosen to wear on her ass. You don't wear words on your ass if you don't want people to LOOK at it, deary. Shocking. Cry me a river. Every woman sold into slavery in the middle east would gladly change places with you. Talk about "first world problems". Gawd.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 30, 2014 14:23:18 GMT
I'm surprised anyone thinks these guys are just being polite & friendly and I didn't get the impression it was just a black thing. I do think she was getting the constant comments because she is young and attractive and I hate the thought that my daughter might be subjected to this kind of harrassment just walking down the street. It does not make you feel safe and comfortable.
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Post by mallie on Oct 30, 2014 14:25:07 GMT
Juxtapose that video with this: Real sexual harrassmentNot to say that this woman in NYC doesn't have the right to be annoyed, but I'm tired of women here crying about petty crap like this when other women in this world are having their lives detroyed and their rights stripped just because they are women. ISIS is selling women into slavery, slaughtering those that won't comply. Iran just hung a woman for killing her rapist in self defense. So A woman gets some unwanted attention over a 10 hour period in a city of 3.5 million people. Some people say hi to her or comment on her beauty. A man comments on the WORDS she has chosen to wear on her ass. You don't wear words on your ass if you don't want people to LOOK at it, deary. Shocking. Cry me a river. Every woman sold into slavery in the middle east would gladly change places with you. Talk about "first world problems". Gawd. What you don't seem to get is that it's all part of a continuum of the ideology that women are available, always, to be the object of male desire.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 30, 2014 14:28:42 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 30, 2014 14:48:25 GMT
Juxtapose that video with this: Real sexual harrassmentNot to say that this woman in NYC doesn't have the right to be annoyed, but I'm tired of women here crying about petty crap like this when other women in this world are having their lives detroyed and their rights stripped just because they are women. ISIS is selling women into slavery, slaughtering those that won't comply. Iran just hung a woman for killing her rapist in self defense. So A woman gets some unwanted attention over a 10 hour period in a city of 3.5 million people. Some people say hi to her or comment on her beauty. A man comments on the WORDS she has chosen to wear on her ass. You don't wear words on your ass if you don't want people to LOOK at it, deary. Shocking. Cry me a river. Every woman sold into slavery in the middle east would gladly change places with you. Talk about "first world problems". Gawd. They were calling out the logo of her jeans - not reading something plastered on her ass. Clearly you haven't experienced a lot of harassment from men walking down the street. Does it to equate to being hung for killing your rapist - of course not, but that sure as hell doesn't mean it's not a problem.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 30, 2014 14:51:02 GMT
I saw it online. I didn't think a good percentage of them were what they said were "cat calls." I thought many of them were just guys being polite. I think of "cat calls" as being whistled at by a construction worker or other types of harasssment. I wouldn't want the guys walking with me like some of them did though. Polite? Are you kidding me - which of those comments did you equate to being polite? I am actually much less bothered by whistles - they aren't expecting a response. It's the ones who think that you should acknowledge them for their "compliment" that piss me off.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Oct 30, 2014 14:59:11 GMT
I don't remember exactly but ones where they just say good morning or simple things. Ones that say "damn" or even "hi beautiful" would be annoying though because they are commenting on her looks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:16:23 GMT
Honestly I'd be amazed someone said anything and thank them profusely.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 30, 2014 15:16:42 GMT
But are these guys saying "good morning" to other men or elderly women walking by? Even if the words at face value are innocent, there is a sexual context underneath.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 30, 2014 15:31:31 GMT
I saw the young woman interviewed this morning. I have spent way more time than I should thinking about it, and I still am not sure where I fall on this topic.
On one side, I am in the south, grew up in south. The culture in which I grew up in is a lot of eye contact, smiles, "heys" and "bless yous." There is a fair amount of interaction between strangers. A lot of what I heard on the video is fairly normal *in my world.* And I wouldn't assume a "have a great day" as being an unwanted or veiled sexual innuendo in any way.
On the other hand, I don't walk in her shoes, or have her life/experiences/cultural background etc, so maybe what is normal for me is not for her. The comments are clearly unwelcome, and I should honor that.
Really, what I got out of the video was that if I ever go to New York, I should be really careful not to make eye contact and not smile and nod to strangers because it might be misconstrued as being intrusive.
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Post by MaryMary on Oct 30, 2014 15:34:52 GMT
Some of those guys were creepy as H. Following her for 5 minutes? Saying, "You don't wanna talk? Am I too ugly for you?". How is that appropriate? What are they trying to accomplish with that besides intimidation or manipulation?
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Post by scrapcat on Oct 30, 2014 15:36:51 GMT
I was aware of the Hollaback movement before this video. I almost felt teary eyed watching it bcz I get the frustration. It's hard to explain but it's just annoying that people (male or female) think it's ok just to comment on someone else's appearance to them. I don't care if people want to talk behind my back, that's fine! The one I related to when the guy was like "hey smile" bcz I've gotten that before and how does the person know someone didn't just die or you received bad news. My SO (man) didn't think it was that big of deal either, and I realize unless it happens to you it probably does seem trivial. Men get away with calling it compliments.
I like in the one article I read the woman in the video said harassment or commenting, whatever you want to call it, is not allowed or appropriate for the workplace, school or certain public places, so why should it be ok on the street?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 30, 2014 15:48:41 GMT
I saw the young woman interviewed this morning. I have spent way more time than I should thinking about it, and I still am not sure where I fall on this topic. On one side, I am in the south, grew up in south. The culture in which I grew up in is a lot of eye contact, smiles, "heys" and "bless yous." There is a fair amount of interaction between strangers. A lot of what I heard on the video is fairly normal *in my world.* And I wouldn't assume a "have a great day" as being an unwanted or veiled sexual innuendo in any way. On the other hand, I don't walk in her shoes, or have her life/experiences/cultural background etc, so maybe what is normal for me is not for her. The comments are clearly unwelcome, and I should honor that. Really, what I got out of the video was that if I ever go to New York, I should be really careful not to make eye contact and not smile and nod to strangers because it might be misconstrued as being intrusive. I think you are talking about a different interaction between strangers than what is happening in the video. I've lived in a diverse places - rural Nebraska, Boston, Raleigh, and now New York and I've always interacted with strangers in ways you describe. Like a friendly interaction while waiting in line at a post office, small talk with a cashier, or a smile when you almost bump carts at the grocery store. But I've never seen an attractive man walk down the street and say "hey handsome. have a great day!" or told a stranger to "smile!" as they walked by. Those interactions feel more intrusive and frankly, weird.
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