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Post by littlemama on Jun 25, 2020 14:16:20 GMT
Who flies a state flag at home? That is weird Really? I don't think it's weird at all. LOL I see them all over. Besides the point though to be honest. Oh, I know, I have just never seen anyone fly the state flag at their home, so I wasnt sure how big an issue that would be that it would be mentioned. And now I know!
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jun 25, 2020 14:27:10 GMT
Granted I am not from the south but I didn't know about the racial undertones of the flag until a discussion on this board. I don't consider myself stupid, my highschool transcript, college transcript and jobs I feel would support that I am not stupid. I just knew it as what Bo and Luke had on the General Lee. Exactly. A very close friend of mine said that her only thought when she sees that flag is the Dukes of Hazzard. Not anything about race. I actually thought she was kidding, but she was completely serious. Just because some people think that it's ONLY a racist symbol, doesn't make it such. When I moved to Georgia (20+ years ago) I had no idea that people thought it was racist. I had not connotation. I would say that maybe in the past 5 years I've understood it better. It's not a flag I would ever own or fly, and knowing now that it is offensive to people I'm cool if they disappear forever. I just know that not everybody thinks the same way. Why you would double down to defend flying of a racist symbol is beyond me. You fly that flag?? Well then you either are a racist or you live an extremely privileged life that allows you to ignore reality...neither of which earns you a pat on the back for being a good person. The confederate flag IS, and always has been, a racist symbol. You don’t get to change its meaning just because it conveniently lets you off the hook for not seeing the inequities all around you.
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Post by paperamy on Jun 25, 2020 14:53:02 GMT
Really? I don't think it's weird at all. LOL I see them all over. Besides the point though to be honest. Oh, I know, I have just never seen anyone fly the state flag at their home, so I wasnt sure how big an issue that would be that it would be mentioned. And now I know! I live in Mississippi. The only people I know that fly the state flag (which bears the confederate flag as part of its design) at their house are, in fact, racist. Most people in our state who aren’t racist support the flag changing. A lot of colleges have stopped flying the state flag. My City Council voted to stop flying the flag at city buildings. I honestly can’t think of a single building/store that flies the state flag other than a few citizens at their home. I know I don’t speak for the entire state, but based on my experience living here my entire life...the people who fly the state flag or confederate flag at their homes are racist.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 25, 2020 14:57:15 GMT
Oh, I know, I have just never seen anyone fly the state flag at their home, so I wasnt sure how big an issue that would be that it would be mentioned. And now I know! I live in Mississippi. The only people I know that fly the state flag at their house are, in fact, racist. Most people in our state who aren’t racist support the flag changing. A lot of colleges have stopped flying the state flag. My City Council Boyer to stop flying the flag at city buildings. I honestly can’t think of a single building/store that flies the state flag other than a few citizens at their home. I know I don’t speak for the entire state, but based on my experience living here my entire life...the people who fly the state flag or confederate flag at their homes are racist. And I don’t speak for the entire state of Texas, but I will say that I don’t know of anyone who flies or displays the confederate flag in any form that is not racist. They’ll tell you they’re not, their words and actions indictate otherwise. Either way, in this day and age, after all of the hullabaloo about it in recent years you’d have to be living under a rock not to be aware that most people see it as a racist symbol. eta: I’d be interested in hearing from others about their experience with this, and where they live. It would shock me if those that are truly, naively “innocent” in their ignorance about this aren’t the rare unicorn.
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Post by Tearisci on Jun 25, 2020 15:12:29 GMT
Hell, the state of Mississippi flag still has a confederate flag as part of the overall flag design - and I'd bet not everybody who has one of those on their flagpole at home is racist Who flies a state flag at home? That is weird You've clearly never been to Texas. They are everywhere.
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Post by rodeomom on Jun 25, 2020 15:27:57 GMT
I live in Mississippi. The only people I know that fly the state flag at their house are, in fact, racist. Most people in our state who aren’t racist support the flag changing. A lot of colleges have stopped flying the state flag. My City Council Boyer to stop flying the flag at city buildings. I honestly can’t think of a single building/store that flies the state flag other than a few citizens at their home. I know I don’t speak for the entire state, but based on my experience living here my entire life...the people who fly the state flag or confederate flag at their homes are racist. And I don’t speak for the entire state of Texas, but I will say that I don’t know of anyone who flies or displays the confederate flag in any form that is not racist. They’ll tell you they’re not, their words and actions indictate otherwise. Either way, in this day and age, after all of the hullabaloo about it in recent years you’d have to be living under a rock not to be aware that most people see it as a racist symbol. eta: I’d be interested in hearing from others about their experience with this, and where they live. It would shock me if those that are truly, naively “innocent” in their ignorance about this aren’t the rare unicorn. I live in Oklahoma. Confederate flag = racist. There are about 5 on my way to town (13 miles) and they ALL also have trump flags.
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Post by *KAS* on Jun 25, 2020 15:28:04 GMT
Exactly. A very close friend of mine said that her only thought when she sees that flag is the Dukes of Hazzard. Not anything about race. I actually thought she was kidding, but she was completely serious. Just because some people think that it's ONLY a racist symbol, doesn't make it such. When I moved to Georgia (20+ years ago) I had no idea that people thought it was racist. I had not connotation. I would say that maybe in the past 5 years I've understood it better. It's not a flag I would ever own or fly, and knowing now that it is offensive to people I'm cool if they disappear forever. I just know that not everybody thinks the same way. Why you would double down to defend flying of a racist symbol is beyond me. You fly that flag?? Well then you either are a racist or you live an extremely privileged life that allows you to ignore reality...neither of which earns you a pat on the back for being a good person. The confederate flag IS, and always has been, a racist symbol. You don’t get to change its meaning just because it conveniently lets you off the hook for not seeing the inequities all around you. I'm not sure which part of: "it's not a flag I would ever own or fly, and knowing now that it is offensive to people I'm cool if they disappear forever" you didn't quite understand. I don't mean "now" as in June 25, 2020. But I know that I had probably never seen that flag when I was growing up in Iowa, and don't recall any discussion of it being a racist symbol when I was in high school in Georgia, 20+ years ago. Went to a high school that was about 50/50 black /white and it was never a topic of conversation. What I know now (now being a relative term) is different than then. So fuck off with your accusations. You know nothing about me, and clearly didn't even read what I read. I've been one of the people consistently defending Bubba and trying to show facts of the case. I've also never claimed to NOT have white privilege, so I'm not really sure of your point. Keep patting yourself on the back for how much smarter you are then everybody else though, as you keep pointing out. I'm sure that will win you a big award.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 25, 2020 15:30:27 GMT
Texas Aldo I've seen some in Colorado some people in AZ also fly the state flag at their homes- typically both the US flag and the state flag. (also some RV parks...) Lots of state flags flown here in Colorado. I have always known what the confederate flag meant since watching Dukes of Hazard. We had a black family move in our very white neighborhood when I was in fifth grade and someone burned a cross in their yard. I can't watch the Dukes of Hazard/see a confederate flag without thinking of that family.
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Post by msladibug on Jun 25, 2020 15:32:06 GMT
People can claim that they aren't racist, but are they anti-racist? Which means they don't support ANY racist ideology, people, events, things etc. If you are anti-racist that means that you educate/d yourself on what/who IS racist.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jun 25, 2020 15:35:33 GMT
Exactly. A very close friend of mine said that her only thought when she sees that flag is the Dukes of Hazzard. Not anything about race. I actually thought she was kidding, but she was completely serious. Just because some people think that it's ONLY a racist symbol, doesn't make it such. When I moved to Georgia (20+ years ago) I had no idea that people thought it was racist. I had not connotation. I would say that maybe in the past 5 years I've understood it better. It's not a flag I would ever own or fly, and knowing now that it is offensive to people I'm cool if they disappear forever. I just know that not everybody thinks the same way. Why you would double down to defend flying of a racist symbol is beyond me. You fly that flag?? Well then you either are a racist or y ou live an extremely privileged life that allows you to ignore reality...neither of which earns you a pat on the back for being a good person. The confederate flag IS, and always has been, a racist symbol. You don’t get to change its meaning just because it conveniently lets you off the hook for not seeing the inequities all around you. I would hazard a guess and say that a great many of us here have lived an extremely privileged life that allowed us to ignore reality. Just because you're all "woke" now doesn't mean that everyone is at the same place as you. I'm getting extremely tired of the knowledge inequity around here - you know, "now I know, and now I get to think you're an asshole because you don't know". You (general you) were probably just as ignorant a year or so ago. Sanctimony is a real commodity lately.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 25, 2020 15:42:18 GMT
I grew up in Iowa as well. When I moved to MN 20 years ago I was in the car with a black co-worker and he pointed out that the car in front of us had a confederate flag sticker. The discussion we had was the first time that I realized that it was a racist symbol. I'm not sure I even knew that people still used it/revered it at that point. I think it has become slightly more common here since then. However, I agree that in the last 5-10 years there has been so much talk about the confederate flag and what it means, that anyone that displays it has to know. Even if they say that they are not racist or it "doesn't mean that to them" on some level they are ok with people seeing them as racist and portraying the history that the confederate flag represents. I also think that it is time for the people in the south to start demanding better of their governments in regards to the flags and symbols that represent them, and hopefully the citizens will follow,
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Post by candleangie on Jun 25, 2020 16:21:42 GMT
I grew up in Oregon, so nowhere near the south. There were MAYBE three black kids in my elementary school, total. Not a diverse neighborhood.
We learned about the civil war in the fourth or fifth grade. The war, not matter who says it was about “states rights”, was about slavery. We fully understood that. And that flag belonged to the people who wanted to keep it.
I was ELEVEN and I understood that it was a racist symbol. No one needed to spell it out or discuss it for me and my friends to know that.
So I guess I’m sitting on the bench with a lot of the peas right now. To say “I didn’t know because we didn’t specifically discuss it” is willful ignorance and I have very little patience for it.
It’s just not that hard to say “I never really thought of it that way, I’m sorry and I’ll do better”. Defensiveness shouldn’t have a place here. The behavior isn’t worth defending.
And before you start telling me that I’m trying to be “Newly woke” or whatever, I promise you that I’ve been weeding out my own prejudices, racial and otherwise, for most of my life. I grew up in the 80s using “gay” and “retarded” as slang. I learned in middle school that those were hurting people so I stopped. It makes my stomach turn that I used to talk that way. It should make your stomach turn that people still defend that flag. When you know better, you do better.
And let’s be real....we ALL know better.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 25, 2020 17:02:45 GMT
Anyone who says that is not a noose is blind.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 25, 2020 17:26:21 GMT
Anyone who says that is not a noose is blind.Willfully ignorant, purposefully obtuse...
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 25, 2020 17:28:46 GMT
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Post by sasha on Jun 25, 2020 17:38:31 GMT
That's def a noose. It's used to pull down the garage, but it is def. fashioned as a noose.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 25, 2020 18:28:28 GMT
It wasn't long after my infatuation with Gone with the Wind that I discovered Harriet Tubman and had a much better understanding of the reality of slavery. I, too, was sucked into the romance of GWTW as a teen and a fan for years. In all his years in auto racing, NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace said Tuesday night, he has never seen anything like what he described as a “straight-up noose” that was being used as a door pull in the garage he was assigned last week at Talladega Speedway in Alabama. Early reports were clear that he didn't report it. Saying he's never seen anything like it doesn't mean he'd seen anything more than a photo. Reminds me of the time a friend told her 3 year old she'd heard he went to the park that day. The very confused kid spend a long time trying to figure out how she could have heard him when she was miles away at work. But I know that I had probably never seen that flag when I was growing up in Iowa, and don't recall any discussion of it being a racist symbol when I was in high school in Georgia, 20+ years ago. Went to a high school that was about 50/50 black /white and it was never a topic of conversation. What I know now (now being a relative term) is different than then. When something is used in TV & movies (Dukes of Hazzard), a state flag, flown on state buildings, etc., you (general you) see it as acceptable and don't go looking for a deeper meaning. I know I didn't. People can claim that they aren't racist, but are they anti-racist? Which means they don't support ANY racist ideology, people, events, things etc. If you are anti-racist that means that you educate/d yourself on what/who IS racist. At a minimum call the Confederate flag the symbol of a treasonous army, support renaming any and all military bases, schools, roads, public buildings, parks, etc., named for Confederate leaders, support removing statues erected to honor Confederate leaders, name the Daughters of the Confederacy and KKK as hate/terrorist organizations. Rethink everything.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jun 25, 2020 18:41:00 GMT
Why you would double down to defend flying of a racist symbol is beyond me. You fly that flag?? Well then you either are a racist or you live an extremely privileged life that allows you to ignore reality...neither of which earns you a pat on the back for being a good person. The confederate flag IS, and always has been, a racist symbol. You don’t get to change its meaning just because it conveniently lets you off the hook for not seeing the inequities all around you. I'm not sure which part of: "it's not a flag I would ever own or fly, and knowing now that it is offensive to people I'm cool if they disappear forever" you didn't quite understand. I don't mean "now" as in June 25, 2020. But I know that I had probably never seen that flag when I was growing up in Iowa, and don't recall any discussion of it being a racist symbol when I was in high school in Georgia, 20+ years ago. Went to a high school that was about 50/50 black /white and it was never a topic of conversation. What I know now (now being a relative term) is different than then. So fuck off with your accusations. You know nothing about me, and clearly didn't even read what I read. I've been one of the people consistently defending Bubba and trying to show facts of the case. I've also never claimed to NOT have white privilege, so I'm not really sure of your point. Keep patting yourself on the back for how much smarter you are then everybody else though, as you keep pointing out. I'm sure that will win you a big award. I used the word "you" after the first sentence without explaining that I meant the general you...I apologize profusely for suggesting that you do or would have ever flown the confederate flag or that you are purposefully engaging in racist behaviors (all white people are racist, it's how we have been socialized, we all have to work to over come it). I only take issue with what appears to be your wanting to excuse some people who fly it. I'm not trying to purposefully upset you, but saying that some people don't mean to hurt others when they fly or display it is naive at best and I want to do my part to burst that bubble. As you said, I know nothing about you personally, and you know nothing about me either. I don't see how pointing out wrongness in an understanding of a racist symbol is me trying to prove I'm smarter or more woke. I've been doing lots of work my whole life to undo the crap I was taught/exposed to and being quiet about these issues now is certainly not the answer.
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Post by mari on Jun 25, 2020 19:01:14 GMT
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 25, 2020 19:02:08 GMT
We are going to start seeing nooses everywhere. It will be the new confederate flag on steroids.
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Post by elaine on Jun 25, 2020 19:27:41 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 25, 2020 19:45:23 GMT
June 25, 2020 at 1:16 PM EDT - Updated June 25 at 2:23 PM (Gray News) - NASCAR released an image Thursday of the noose-like rope that caused an FBI investigation when it was discovered in the garage of the lone Black driver on the circuit. NASCAR released a photo of the noose-like rope found in Bubba Wallace's garage at the Talladega Superspeedway. NASCAR released a photo of the noose-like rope found in Bubba Wallace's garage at the Talladega Superspeedway. (Source: NASCAR) The photo was made public one day after an FBI investigation concluded no federal hate crime was committed against Bubba Wallace. NASCAR President Steve Phelps says the photo was taken by NASCAR security. “Upon learning of and seeing the noose, our initial reaction was to protect our driver,” Phelps said in a news conference. “We’re living in a highly charged and emotional time. What we saw was a symbol of hate and was only present in one area of the garage and that was of the 43 car of Bubba Wallace. “In hindsight, I should have used the word ‘alleged’ in our statement. As you can see from the photo, the noose was real, as was our concern for Bubba. With similar emotion, others across our industry and our media stood up to defend the NASCAR family. Our NASCAR family.” NASCAR is saying TODAY, that it’s a noose.
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Post by sasha on Jun 25, 2020 19:53:31 GMT
June 25, 2020 at 1:16 PM EDT - Updated June 25 at 2:23 PM (Gray News) - NASCAR released an image Thursday of the noose-like rope that caused an FBI investigation when it was discovered in the garage of the lone Black driver on the circuit. NASCAR released a photo of the noose-like rope found in Bubba Wallace's garage at the Talladega Superspeedway. NASCAR released a photo of the noose-like rope found in Bubba Wallace's garage at the Talladega Superspeedway. (Source: NASCAR) The photo was made public one day after an FBI investigation concluded no federal hate crime was committed against Bubba Wallace. NASCAR President Steve Phelps says the photo was taken by NASCAR security. “Upon learning of and seeing the noose, our initial reaction was to protect our driver,” Phelps said in a news conference. “We’re living in a highly charged and emotional time. What we saw was a symbol of hate and was only present in one area of the garage and that was of the 43 car of Bubba Wallace. “In hindsight, I should have used the word ‘alleged’ in our statement. As you can see from the photo, the noose was real, as was our concern for Bubba. With similar emotion, others across our industry and our media stood up to defend the NASCAR family. Our NASCAR family.” NASCAR is saying TODAY, that it’s a noose. It is. And it's big enough that it certainly warranted hate crime investigation. I'm glad NASCAR released this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:40:07 GMT
Curt Schilling de-activates his Twitter after Bubba Wallace tweet, fight with Trevor Bauer
Bye. Bye. Crawl back into the hole where racists and pedophiles and other miscreants go when their hate and depravity is made visible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:42:36 GMT
The owner of 311 Motor Speedway in the Pine Hall Community on Wednesday posted what many interpret as a racist threat on the Facebook Marketplace social media site. Mike Fulp, 55, of Lawsonville, who owns the half-mile dirt race track near the Rockingham County line, advertised “Bubba Rope’’ for sale in the post and included a pitch: “Buy your Bubba Rope today for only $9.99 each, they come with a lifetime warranty and work great... Indeed, Fulp's post inflamed plenty of people who follow him on Facebook. Several who described themselves as loyal spectators wrote to Fulp that they would stop attending 311 events because of the post. Other people shares screen shots of nearly a dozen of Fulp's older Facebook posts, since deleted. In one he writes: "We've really been bad people. I think we should give them a bucket of Kentucky Fried chicken, 2 watermelons and a plane ride back to Africa.'' Another post features a photograph of the late George Floyd, who died last month at the hands of police, with a caption: ''Congratulation, George .... 2 weeks drug free.'' Fulp, who made a recent failed bid as a Republican for a Stokes County Commissioner's seat [because of course], could not be reached for comment. Two phone numbers associated with his name were not in service Wednesday night.’’ www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/speedway-owner-posts-facebook-ad-for-bubba-rope-in-wake-of-wallace-noose-incident/article_059aa668-c85d-5f92-9771-b77bc579e1ac.html
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 25, 2020 20:54:39 GMT
I will concede that new picture is definitely a noose and not one of the other knots.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 25, 2020 20:55:07 GMT
The owner of 311 Motor Speedway in the Pine Hall Community on Wednesday posted what many interpret as a racist threat on the Facebook Marketplace social media site. Mike Fulp, 55, of Lawsonville, who owns the half-mile dirt race track near the Rockingham County line, advertised “Bubba Rope’’ for sale in the post and included a pitch: “Buy your Bubba Rope today for only $9.99 each, they come with a lifetime warranty and work great... Indeed, Fulp's post inflamed plenty of people who follow him on Facebook. Several who described themselves as loyal spectators wrote to Fulp that they would stop attending 311 events because of the post. Other people shares screen shots of nearly a dozen of Fulp's older Facebook posts, since deleted. In one he writes: "We've really been bad people. I think we should give them a bucket of Kentucky Fried chicken, 2 watermelons and a plane ride back to Africa.'' Another post features a photograph of the late George Floyd, who died last month at the hands of police, with a caption: ''Congratulation, George .... 2 weeks drug free.'' Fulp, who made a recent failed bid as a Republican for a Stokes County Commissioner's seat [because of course], could not be reached for comment. Two phone numbers associated with his name were not in service Wednesday night.’’ www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/speedway-owner-posts-facebook-ad-for-bubba-rope-in-wake-of-wallace-noose-incident/article_059aa668-c85d-5f92-9771-b77bc579e1ac.htmlAnd there are assholes who went to buy the rope or liked his post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 21:02:44 GMT
The owner of 311 Motor Speedway in the Pine Hall Community on Wednesday posted what many interpret as a racist threat on the Facebook Marketplace social media site. Mike Fulp, 55, of Lawsonville, who owns the half-mile dirt race track near the Rockingham County line, advertised “Bubba Rope’’ for sale in the post and included a pitch: “Buy your Bubba Rope today for only $9.99 each, they come with a lifetime warranty and work great... Indeed, Fulp's post inflamed plenty of people who follow him on Facebook. Several who described themselves as loyal spectators wrote to Fulp that they would stop attending 311 events because of the post. Other people shares screen shots of nearly a dozen of Fulp's older Facebook posts, since deleted. In one he writes: "We've really been bad people. I think we should give them a bucket of Kentucky Fried chicken, 2 watermelons and a plane ride back to Africa.'' Another post features a photograph of the late George Floyd, who died last month at the hands of police, with a caption: ''Congratulation, George .... 2 weeks drug free.'' Fulp, who made a recent failed bid as a Republican for a Stokes County Commissioner's seat [because of course], could not be reached for comment. Two phone numbers associated with his name were not in service Wednesday night.’’ www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/speedway-owner-posts-facebook-ad-for-bubba-rope-in-wake-of-wallace-noose-incident/article_059aa668-c85d-5f92-9771-b77bc579e1ac.htmlAnd there are assholes who went to buy the rope or liked his post. Of course. These good ole' boys have had hundreds of years of being top dog. They're not going to go gentle into that dark night. They will rage, rage against the coming of the light.
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Post by edie3 on Jun 25, 2020 21:50:56 GMT
Holy shit that is so bad what the owner of 311 Speedway wrote. And even more ashamed I live in that general area. Glad that MF lost his bid.
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