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Post by wezee on Jun 24, 2020 15:20:15 GMT
Bubba Wallace claimed that a noose was found in his garage at the Talladega
FBI concluded that it was not a hate crime.
I do feel bad that something so random was perceived as a random act of hate. I am glad that he received tremendous support from his fellow drivers.
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Post by busy on Jun 24, 2020 15:22:13 GMT
What I read is that Wallace DID NOT see it and he’s NOT the one who reported it. Further, the “claim” was correct - there was a noose in his garage. It just wasn’t there because it was Wallace’s garage.
He wasn’t targeted but I do think it suggests an unsavory attitude within NASCAR. Tying nooses for any purpose is certainly a loaded statement.
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Post by JustTricia on Jun 24, 2020 15:34:33 GMT
What I read is that Wallace DID NOT see it and he’s NOT the one who reported it. Further, the “claim” was correct - there was a noose in his garage. It just wasn’t there because it was Wallace’s garage. He wasn’t targeted but I do think it suggests an unsavory attitude within NASCAR. Tying nooses for any purpose is certainly a loaded statement. Agree with all of the above. I completely understand the need for a garage door pull down, but why would you take extra time to fashion a noose instead of two seconds to tie a regular double knot? |
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 24, 2020 15:44:02 GMT
What I read is that Wallace DID NOT see it and he’s NOT the one who reported it. Further, the “claim” was correct - there was a noose in his garage. It just wasn’t there because it was Wallace’s garage. He wasn’t targeted but I do think it suggests an unsavory attitude within NASCAR. Tying nooses for any purpose is certainly a loaded statement. Agree with all of the above. I completely understand the need for a garage door pull down, but why would you take extra time to fashion a noose instead of two seconds to tie a regular double knot? it could have just bern like a loop, easy to pull. It was supposed to be something to grab on an pull down |
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Post by busy on Jun 24, 2020 15:46:52 GMT
Agree with all of the above. I completely understand the need for a garage door pull down, but why would you take extra time to fashion a noose instead of two seconds to tie a regular double knot? it could have just bern like a loop, easy to pull. It was supposed to be something to grab on an pull down There are other ways to tie loops that aren’t nooses. If you’re capable of tying a noose, you’re capable of tying other kinds of loops. It’s a choice to do a noose. I learned LOTS of knots, etc growing up because we sailed a lot. I could make multiple loops. Never learned how to tie a noose. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 24, 2020 15:48:42 GMT
it could have just bern like a loop, easy to pull. It was supposed to be something to grab on an pull down There are other ways to tie loops that aren’t nooses. If you’re capable of tying a noose, you’re capable of tying other kinds of loops. It’s a choice to do a noose. I learned LOTS of knots, etc growing up because we sailed a lot. I could make multiple loops. Never learned how to tie a noose. what i read somewhere was that it wasn't actually a properly tied noose. It was just a loop that someone reported as a noose. I haven't seen a picture of the actual rope to come up with myvown opinion |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 24, 2020 15:52:44 GMT
NOWHERE in that story does it say that "Bubba Wallace claimed a noose was found in his garage." So you can stop posting inflammatory shit that IS NOT TRUE. What it DOES say is this:
"The last race we had had there in October, that noose was present. . . . The fact that it was not found until a member of the 43 team came there is something that is a fact. . . . The crew member went back in there. He looked and saw the noose, brought it to the attention of his crew chief, who then went to the NASCAR series director, Jay Fabian, and we launched this investigation.”
A member of the 43 racing team (NOT Bubba Wallace) found it, told the crew chief, who told NASCAR, and there was an investigation.
So it would really be great if you'd edit your OP to NOT LIE. Not that I expect you'll do it, but...
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Post by busy on Jun 24, 2020 15:59:30 GMT
There are other ways to tie loops that aren’t nooses. If you’re capable of tying a noose, you’re capable of tying other kinds of loops. It’s a choice to do a noose. I learned LOTS of knots, etc growing up because we sailed a lot. I could make multiple loops. Never learned how to tie a noose. what i read somewhere was that it wasn't actually a properly tied noose. It was just a loop that someone reported as a noose. I haven't seen a picture of the actual rope to come up with myvown opinion The pictures I saw looked clearly like a noose. Small, but a noose. Whether it was properly tied, I have no idea. |
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Jun 24, 2020 16:31:48 GMT
Bubba has claimed it was a "straight up noose" after the report has come out. from here just after doing a quick google search. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 24, 2020 16:36:35 GMT
it could have just bern like a loop, easy to pull. It was supposed to be something to grab on an pull down There are other ways to tie loops that aren’t nooses. If you’re capable of tying a noose, you’re capable of tying other kinds of loops. It’s a choice to do a noose. I learned LOTS of knots, etc growing up because we sailed a lot. I could make multiple loops. Never learned how to tie a noose. I’m sure tying knots like that is just part of their heritage. Kind of like flying the confederate flag. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 24, 2020 16:41:35 GMT
Maybe someone just tied it like a noose (or just like a noose, I have not seen a picture) not intending anything by it at all to fix a door problem and done and forgotten. I have worked at several places that have the same kind of rope tie to keep doors from closing shut..looking back, yeah they can kinda look like a noose, depending on who did it.. some look professional some look like my 10 year old kid could have done.
But yeah if someone saw it and thought it was a noose and reported it, good for them to be looking out for his fellow driver. If it was a mistake, then it was a mistake.. It was investigated and now over.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Jun 24, 2020 16:44:11 GMT
I’m sure tying knots like that is just part of their heritage. Kind of like flying the confederate flag. I hope you're not referring to all Southerners. I'm not sure WHAT you're referring to but I do think that was quite rude and unnecessary. |
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Post by sasha on Jun 24, 2020 16:48:46 GMT
Replaced the photo. This is from TMZ.  |
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Post by naby64 on Jun 24, 2020 16:53:17 GMT
I'm a southerner and I have never flown a confederate flag nor do I know how to tie knots. I have my own power tools and am not a helpless woman but nope to tying knots.
And if that photo just above my post is the rope they are referring to, I have seen those in more places as a door pulldown. All over the country.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jun 24, 2020 16:55:00 GMT
I’m sure tying knots like that is just part of their heritage. Kind of like flying the confederate flag. I hope you're not referring to all Southerners. I'm not sure WHAT you're referring to but I do think that was quite rude and unnecessary. This lifelong Southerner knows that she was speaking sarcastically. I'm surprised that you would get your back up over her comments when my entire life I could drive 20 minutes in any direction and pass someone/some place displaying a confederate flag (I've lived in FL, KY and NC--my statement is still true to this very day). And it's not hard to encounter racist comments if you're paying any kind of attention. I absolutely agree that the jerks that feel comfortable displaying a confederate flag are the same jerks that would leave a noose for a POC to find as an intimidation technique. OP did not make that big of a leap.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 16:55:53 GMT
That is as much of a noose as a ship in a bottle is a yacht. |
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jun 24, 2020 16:55:56 GMT
I'm a southerner and I have never flown a confederate flag nor do I know how to tie knots. I have my own power tools and am not a helpless woman but nope to tying knots. And if that photo just above my post is the rope they are referring to, I have seen those in more places as a door pulldown. All over the country. You truly can't see how that knot could be seen as noose and a threat to a POC? ? ? |
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jun 24, 2020 16:57:51 GMT
That is as much of a noose as a ship in a bottle is a yacht. Said by someone who has probably never had to live in fear simply because the color of their skin. The comments on this thread are mind boggling. |
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Post by naby64 on Jun 24, 2020 16:59:48 GMT
I'm a southerner and I have never flown a confederate flag nor do I know how to tie knots. I have my own power tools and am not a helpless woman but nope to tying knots. And if that photo just above my post is the rope they are referring to, I have seen those in more places as a door pulldown. All over the country. You truly can't see how that knot could be seen as noose and a threat to a POC? ? ? In today's environment, yes I can. That is not what I was stating. I was stating that those are the normal pull-downs that I have seen in places of business, garages, etc. in all these years I have been having car work done, glass work done, in large hangar type of facilities at smaller airports. Heck, now that I think of it the pull-down for my attic door in my garage looked like that. In no way when my DH tied it 22 years ago, did he even think that he was making a noose. |
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 24, 2020 17:01:08 GMT
Bubba Wallace claimed that a noose was found in his garage at the Talladega Starting your OP with YOUR interpretation of the facts says much more about you than it says about Bubba Wallace. This is offensive on so many levels, and clearly shows your bias. Your post is offensive on so many levels. |
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jun 24, 2020 17:05:31 GMT
You truly can't see how that knot could be seen as noose and a threat to a POC? ? ? In today's environment, yes I can. That is not what I was stating. I was stating that those are the normal pull-downs that I have seen in places of business, garages, etc. in all these years I have been having car work done, glass work done, in large hangar type of facilities at smaller airports. Heck, now that I think of it the pull-down for my attic door in my garage looked like that. In no way when my DH tied it 22 years ago, did he even think that he was making a noose. Ok, I acknowledge that you are likely correct about such knots tied prior to today's climate. However, I think that it's important to note that Bubba Wallace and his crew are NOT over-reacting in this instance. With the recent changes instituted at NASCAR, finding this in their garage at Talledega absolutely needed to be investigated. I'm not saying you suggested otherwise, but am responding to the over all tone this thread has taken. |
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Post by sasha on Jun 24, 2020 17:07:31 GMT
For the record, I do not know if this was the exact bay as Bubba Wallace's car was in, but it is apparently from Talladega. It makes sense if this is the size and shape of what the FBI determined was not a noose.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 24, 2020 17:14:07 GMT
I think the OP is inaccurate and unfair.
Bubba Wallace did not claim anything. He did not find anything. He did not report anything.
By repeating the story the way you have in the OP, you are implying blame on Bubba Wallace and that is offensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 17:14:14 GMT
it could have just bern like a loop, easy to pull. It was supposed to be something to grab on an pull down There are other ways to tie loops that aren’t nooses. If you’re capable of tying a noose, you’re capable of tying other kinds of loops. It’s a choice to do a noose. I learned LOTS of knots, etc growing up because we sailed a lot. I could make multiple loops. Never learned how to tie a noose. My son learn those knots to! Sailing on the lady Washington. |
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Post by sasha on Jun 24, 2020 17:17:09 GMT
I think the OP is inaccurate and unfair. Bubba Wallace did not claim anything. He did not find anything. He did not report anything. By repeating the story the way you have in the OP, you are implying blame on Bubba Wallace and that is offensive. This is true. He is doubling down that it was a noose, not a garage pull. [Edit: FBI calls it a "garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose."] |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 24, 2020 17:18:53 GMT
That in no way looks like a noose. It looks like a rope that has been tied into a handle for a door or pull down. Now MAYBE someone glanced at it and came to that conclusion, I can see that.. but as a girl who has been married to a car guy for over 20 years and also worked in several places like a car shop, restaurants, etc., grocery store, this is nothing new....
Looking at the picture, and that could be off from the angle.. but looks way to low to the ground and the tied part wouldn't fit around a person much less a Barbie.
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Post by sasha on Jun 24, 2020 17:21:36 GMT
This is probably inappropriate given the topic, but Bubba Wallace is so damn good looking.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 24, 2020 17:22:01 GMT
I think the OP is inaccurate and unfair. Bubba Wallace did not claim anything. He did not find anything. He did not report anything. By repeating the story the way you have in the OP, you are implying blame on Bubba Wallace and that is offensive. This is true. He is doubling down that it was a noose, not a garage pull as the FBI report indicates. I’m having a hard time believing the FBI’s assessment, personally. You’re telling me that this type of garage tie is common and used all over the country, and yet Bubba’s garage team, who have worked hundreds of races in all kinds of garages at all kinds of tracks all over the country, including this very track, thought it was unusual and problematic enough to report it? How does that make sense? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 24, 2020 17:34:42 GMT
I’m sure tying knots like that is just part of their heritage. Kind of like flying the confederate flag. I hope you're not referring to all Southerners. I'm not sure WHAT you're referring to but I do think that was quite rude and unnecessary. explained what I was thinking. Yesterday I asked why nascar and it’s fans looked past the racism all this time and was told that most tracks are in the south and it is just part of their heritage to fly the confederate flag. IMO, that heritage IS racism. They fly those flags for a reason. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the same people who fly confederate flags also tie their ropes in nooses “just because”. That is part of the heritage, too. Obviously whoever did find the rope was concerned, regardless of how pull downs are tied in other places. Maybe this one was a little more concerning looking or maybe it is a result of being on edge because of the backlash from the racist fans. We don’t know that yet. |
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Post by sasha on Jun 24, 2020 17:46:43 GMT
This is true. He is doubling down that it was a noose, not a garage pull as the FBI report indicates. I’m having a hard time believing the FBI’s assessment, personally. You’re telling me that this type of garage tie is common and used all over the country, and yet Bubba’s garage team, who have worked hundreds of races in all kinds of garages at all kinds of tracks all over the country, including this very track, thought it was unusual and problematic enough to report it? How does that make sense? For me, I believe the report bc (1) the garage pull/noose was put up in 2019. (2) They had no way of knowing that Wallace was assigned to that garage space last week since it was there in 2019. (3) 15 FBI agents came to the conclusion this was not a hate crime. I'm not surprised that this same garage pull could be viewed differently in light of today's world than before. I mean, we're having brand labels like Aunt Jemima being changed. It's a different sensitivity level now. Maybe someone finally looked at those pulls and thought it too closely resembled a noose; given NASCAR fans love of the Confederate Flag, I could understand it being viewed differently. I do not believe FBI stands anything to gain by falsifying an investigation. |
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