luckyjune
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Post by luckyjune on Jun 26, 2020 19:27:23 GMT
...that, short of a miracle, many of us won't be in face-to-face school in the fall. I just can't see how states and districts will be able to justify gathering kids (even with masks, even with social distancing, even with temperatures taken and hands washed, and extra cleaning and reduced numbers) and staff in a building to breath each other's air.
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 26, 2020 19:30:08 GMT
I agree. All this talk of in person classes has me wondering what the heck people are thinking. As the numbers are increasing (either still, or again) in over 30 States, this seems insane to me.
We clearly don't have a grasp on this. Most of the problem can be attributed to not have a cohesive plan from the beginning at the Federal level. When you have 50 States making their own rules, without a ton of cooperation across the Board (I know the West Coast States and North East States are working together, but there's a lot happening in between there) it makes for a mess.
Which is what we're in now.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 26, 2020 19:34:41 GMT
as a teachet, association president, and member of reopening task force I can tell you that Colorado is planning to open in the fall. Individual school districts can come up with plans, but right now all the districts that have made plans that I am aware of (both large city districts and small rural districts) are going 100% in the classroom with an option for a student to choose 100% online if the family does not deem it safe to return. Right bow we will have up to 25 students (i think, could be 24 students plus a teacher) in a classroom and masks will not be required. They will be counting on handwashing and people staying home if they are sick.
I know our locals and state associations are talking about contingency plans, but the above is the state/district plans.
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Post by Merge on Jun 26, 2020 19:38:32 GMT
as a teachet, association president, and member of reopening task force I can tell you that Colorado is planning to open in the fall. Individual school districts can come up with plans, but right now all the districts that have made plans that I am aware of (both large city districts and small rural districts) are going 100% in the classroom with an option for a student to choose 100% online if the family does not deem it safe to return. Right bow we will have up to 25 students (i think, could be 24 students plus a teacher) in a classroom and masks will not be required. They will be counting on handwashing and people staying home if they are sick. I know our locals and state associations are talking about contingency plans, but the above is the state/district plans. I'm sorry, that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Of course, it's probably also what Texas will do. But it still sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Post by Linda on Jun 26, 2020 19:38:32 GMT
I think - baring a miracle - that Florida schools will be open in one form or another - in August. Not because I think that's a good idea - I don't. Not because I think teh decision will be made on sound medical practises - I don't. And certainly not because I think Florida will have coronavirus under control by early August - because it's obviously we won't.
But schools will open - and I suspect that there will be a fulltime face to face option for most students. Because schools are needed for childcare for essential workers. They are needed because Florida doesn't have universal internet access. They are needed because home isn't a safe place for all kids. They are needed because they provide breakfast and lunch for kids. But most importantly - opening schools signals "things are improving" and that fits perfectly with the rhetoric from our governor (and our President for that matter).
I also think they'll close again and re-open and close again...
I talked to DD13 just the other day and she said she's hoping for a hybrid option where she can see other people and her teachers at least a couple of days/week. I think that's probably the best option FOR her learning-wise. I have no idea if it'll be an actual option. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with that though. I wonder if a full-online version might end up better both from an avoiding Covid19 perspective AND from a less disruption in her school year perspective. I just don't know
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Post by Linda on Jun 26, 2020 19:41:02 GMT
people staying home if they are sick. Will we finally be doing away with those gosh-awful Perfect Attendence Awards then? And perhaps stop hounding parents about truancy if their kids stay home a few more days than 'allowed'? (okay - maybe Colorado does a better job than Florida does...but we've been in our current district for 12 years and I think I've had TWO where I haven't gotten threatened with truancy court)
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 26, 2020 19:43:53 GMT
people staying home if they are sick. Will we finally be doing away with those gosh-awful Perfect Attendence Awards then? And perhaps stop hounding parents about truancy if their kids stay home a few more days than 'allowed'? (okay - maybe Colorado does a better job than Florida does...but we've been in our current district for 12 years and I think I've had TWO where I haven't gotten threatened with truancy court) colorado can be shitty about it. Our rural districts really aren't. We have kids gone for state fair and stock show, they miss an entire week for hunting, or to mae their yearly trip back to Mexico. I call my kids whenever they tell me they don't feel well. Our district doesn't mind at all. Hell one day ds started not feeling well in the morning, I called and asked if he could just stay home after lunch and I would come on plan and sign him out. They were like, no need, we'll take your phone call as checking him out and we will send him home now. It is one of the perks of the secretaries knowing everyone
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Post by Linda on Jun 26, 2020 19:46:05 GMT
Will we finally be doing away with those gosh-awful Perfect Attendence Awards then? And perhaps stop hounding parents about truancy if their kids stay home a few more days than 'allowed'? (okay - maybe Colorado does a better job than Florida does...but we've been in our current district for 12 years and I think I've had TWO where I haven't gotten threatened with truancy court) colorado can be shitty about it. Our rural districts really aren't. We have kids gone for state fair and stock show, they miss an entire week for hunting, or to mae their yearly trip back to Mexico. I call my kids whenever they tell me they don't feel well. Our district doesn't mind at all. Hell one day ds started not feeling well in the morning, I called and asked if he could just stay home after lunch and I would come on plan and sign him out. They were like, no need, we'll take your phone call as checking him out and we will send him home now. It is one of the perks of the secretaries knowing everyone whereas I remember the school nurse telling me to send my kid to school sick and they would send her home and it wouldn't count against us for truancy that way. Because yes, when my kid throws up at breakfast, let's just send her to school on the bus.
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Post by snyder on Jun 26, 2020 19:47:07 GMT
It scares me for grandson to return to college. I can't imagine how scary it would be for little children that just don't think and touch stuff or put hands on face and in mouth. Sad, but I think I would have to be thinking of an alternative plan if I had little ones.
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Post by Linda on Jun 26, 2020 19:48:32 GMT
It scares me for grandson to return to college. I can't imagine how scary it would be for little children that just don't think and touch stuff or put hands on face and in mouth. Sad, but I think I would have to be thinking of an alternative plan if I had little ones. my college student (dd20) made the decision to take all online classes next year and stay home. I think it was a wise decision (she goes to school in Orlando)
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Post by breetheflea on Jun 26, 2020 19:55:04 GMT
My state (WA) has said kids will be IN school in the fall but the districts get to decide how to do that.
I have a neighbor who has connections, and the latest rumor is our district is considering splitting kids by last name (A-L and M-Z) with one group at school all week, while the other is at home, then the next week they switch. The school day will be shorter but not a 1/2 day so the teachers can use the time to plan/record lessons. Temperature checks at the door (or bus) but no masks.
My guess is it will last one round because teachers will be doing twice the amount of work and then they'll have to figure something else out.
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Post by snyder on Jun 26, 2020 19:57:37 GMT
It scares me for grandson to return to college. I can't imagine how scary it would be for little children that just don't think and touch stuff or put hands on face and in mouth. Sad, but I think I would have to be thinking of an alternative plan if I had little ones. my college student (dd20) made the decision to take all online classes next year and stay home. I think it was a wise decision (she goes to school in Orlando) My grandson is what they call twice exceptional, had IEP as well as gifted. His language skills suck, but reasoning, perceptual skills off the charts, so he really struggled finishing up his classes online, so a bit hesitant there, but might see what he can take as electives maybe. At least he would be doing something going towards the degree rather than sitting out a semester.
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Post by belgravia on Jun 26, 2020 20:01:46 GMT
My daughter starts university this fall. She’s already been informed that at least for the fall semester, it will be 100% online. I’m not sure how she will do chem, physics and calculus labs online, but I guess we will find out 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by paget on Jun 26, 2020 20:03:35 GMT
I’ve heard WA schools are going back (I don’t have school aged kids). It does seems mind boggling that it could possibly work out.
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Post by kernriver on Jun 26, 2020 20:06:17 GMT
The California State University system is all on-line this fall. And I hope it’s online for spring 2021.
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Post by Peal on Jun 26, 2020 20:13:17 GMT
I don't know. The citizens of my state are all over the place on Covid. It's just the flu; The kids are young, therefore safe; I would never send my kid back to school, I'll be homeschooling; I can't afford to not have kids in school, we both work; The kids will be so far behind, we have no choice; You can't make me wear a mask, it's unconstitutional; The governor is like HITLER for allowing counties to mandate masks (this one was said by a county commissioner); The cases are only rising because there is more testing; deaths aren't rising, you guys are all over-reacting; Sheeple;
I can't keep up with it. I know the plan right now, is kids in class in the fall. The universities are trying to work out some type of hybrid class situation with no one coming back after thanksgiving and doing remote work through finals.
I still think the governor hoped that by opening up the state and the free for all that followed would translate to lots of kids having been exposed before they head back to school. Nothing else can explain the absolute lack of leadership that is coming from the top for the past month. The Public Health department has been begging him to mandate masks and he will not do it. Not that the majority of the citizens would obey it...
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Post by katybee on Jun 26, 2020 20:17:23 GMT
My Texas district is going full steam ahead with in person learning and, if they’re also preparing for virtual learning, they’re being extremely secretive about it. And they’ve asked for zero input from teachers in planning anything as far as I know (unless I’m just out of the loop.)
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Post by ddly on Jun 26, 2020 20:42:27 GMT
I worry about the all online or all in person. I am a teacher and you can't have kids coming and going. I just worry that some kids will do this regardless and it will make things a royal pain in the butt. I'm a special educator and I worry that they will try to use us or our paras to teach the kids that are frequently absent and refuse to access the class online to teach the classes that were missed. I hope it's just me over reacting but it still worries me that that could try to do that.
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Post by Linda on Jun 26, 2020 20:46:50 GMT
I don't know. The citizens of my state are all over the place on Covid. It's just the flu; The kids are young, therefore safe; I would never send my kid back to school, I'll be homeschooling; I can't afford to not have kids in school, we both work; The kids will be so far behind, we have no choice; You can't make me wear a mask, it's unconstitutional; The governor is like HITLER for allowing counties to mandate masks (this one was said by a county commissioner); The cases are only rising because there is more testing; deaths aren't rising, you guys are all over-reacting; Sheeple; I can't keep up with it. I know the plan right now, is kids in class in the fall. The universities are trying to work out some type of hybrid class situation with no one coming back after thanksgiving and doing remote work through finals. I still think the governor hoped that by opening up the state and the free for all that followed would translate to lots of kids having been exposed before they head back to school. Nothing else can explain the absolute lack of leadership that is coming from the top for the past month. The Public Health department has been begging him to mandate masks and he will not do it. Not that the majority of the citizens would obey it... are you in Florida also?
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luckyjune
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Post by luckyjune on Jun 26, 2020 20:53:10 GMT
My state (WA) has said kids will be IN school in the fall but the districts get to decide how to do that. I have a neighbor who has connections, and the latest rumor is our district is considering splitting kids by last name (A-L and M-Z) with one group at school all week, while the other is at home, then the next week they switch. The school day will be shorter but not a 1/2 day so the teachers can use the time to plan/record lessons. Temperature checks at the door (or bus) but no masks. My guess is it will last one round because teachers will be doing twice the amount of work and then they'll have to figure something else out. I'm in WA too. Our district is just starting to talk about options/hybrid schedules/online possibilibies. I just don't see how everything is going to come together by the first week of September. And we (teachers) will feel like we are building the airplane in the air again. There is talk about temps taken before kids get on busses. But as with everything else, each action causes many other actions. Here's a scenario: districts hire people to ride along on busses and take temperatures of kids before they get on. Kid has a temp and can't get on the bus. What happens next? Does the driver leave the kid and continue on the route? Have the adult stay until a parent can pick up? Who takes temps at the next stop? Some of my middle school students are on the bus at 6:10am (we live in a large rural district) and it is dark in the fall at that time of the morning. Do we just say, "Sorry kid, you're sick. Wait here for your mom to pick you up." I think there are going to be so many unsolvable issues that districts are going to throw in the towel. And you are right about the workload. I don't think it is on admin's radar.
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Post by scrapngranny on Jun 26, 2020 21:01:17 GMT
I will repeat almost everyday regarding this virus. We do not have the information to make any decisions regarding the future of COVD19. We can guess, we can plan, but we do not know what is going to happen. August/September are light years away in COVID time.
Everyone is eager to open up and move on. Many disregard all guidelines to stop or slow down the spread. They refuse to wear masks, curb group activities or stay at home as much possible.
In order to get what we all want, we have to do the hard work. We were headed the right way, but selfishly lost the ground we made, because we wanted to be done with it. We should learn from this mistake and not rush into opening schools too soon. Kids trust adults to make decisions on their behave that will keep safe.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 26, 2020 21:05:12 GMT
My Texas district is going full steam ahead with in person learning and, if they’re also preparing for virtual learning, they’re being extremely secretive about it. And they’ve asked for zero input from teachers in planning anything as far as I know (unless I’m just out of the loop.) This makes me sad. The district i work in sent an email to all staff and parents asking for anybody who wanted to be on any of the 6 reopening task forces to volunteer
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 26, 2020 21:06:31 GMT
I’ve heard WA schools are going back (I don’t have school aged kids). It does seems mind boggling that it could possibly work out. My son is starting summer school here in Tumwater, to pick up an extra high school credit he needs before starting Running Start at the community college. Right now it’s two days in class and two days online each week. I’m assuming this is a test run of maybe how they’ll do things in the fall. We’ll see how it goes .
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 26, 2020 21:07:39 GMT
I worry about the all online or all in person. I am a teacher and you can't have kids coming and going. I just worry that some kids will do this regardless and it will make things a royal pain in the butt. I'm a special educator and I worry that they will try to use us or our paras to teach the kids that are frequently absent and refuse to access the class online to teach the classes that were missed. I hope it's just me over reacting but it still worries me that that could try to do that. definitely a concern. I'm waiting to see who is coming and who is going online. We may need another sped teacher if too many choose online
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Peal
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Post by Peal on Jun 26, 2020 21:10:55 GMT
I don't know. The citizens of my state are all over the place on Covid. It's just the flu; The kids are young, therefore safe; I would never send my kid back to school, I'll be homeschooling; I can't afford to not have kids in school, we both work; The kids will be so far behind, we have no choice; You can't make me wear a mask, it's unconstitutional; The governor is like HITLER for allowing counties to mandate masks (this one was said by a county commissioner); The cases are only rising because there is more testing; deaths aren't rising, you guys are all over-reacting; Sheeple; I can't keep up with it. I know the plan right now, is kids in class in the fall. The universities are trying to work out some type of hybrid class situation with no one coming back after thanksgiving and doing remote work through finals. I still think the governor hoped that by opening up the state and the free for all that followed would translate to lots of kids having been exposed before they head back to school. Nothing else can explain the absolute lack of leadership that is coming from the top for the past month. The Public Health department has been begging him to mandate masks and he will not do it. Not that the majority of the citizens would obey it... are you in Florida also? No, Utah. It's just that pervasive an attitude in the country.
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Post by huskermom98 on Jun 26, 2020 21:15:10 GMT
Iowa just announced yesterday that schools won't be required to make everyone wear masks and social distance, but then today there are people reporting that our district will require masks (but nothing official from the district). I wouldn't be surprised considering one of the district's requirements in allowing the high schools to play baseball & softball this summer is that that everyone must wear a mask unless actively playing on the field--so players in the dugouts, coaches, and yes the spectators too.
If I had to guess, based on what's going on right now, I'd say we'll at least start in person this year (might feel different in a couple of weeks...). Our district has done quite a few surveys so they are at least planning and preparing.
I haven't heard anything from my youngest son's private school. They didn't miss a beat with continuing lessons in March because 4 of the 9 grades already had Chromebooks. They can maybe spread everyone out if they change the art room to a classroom, but they might not have enough teachers (they keep 5/6th grades and 7/8th grades together for most of the classes because there's only 10-14 kids in a grade.)
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Post by MichyM on Jun 26, 2020 21:16:31 GMT
I will repeat almost everyday regarding this virus. We do not have the information to make any decisions regarding the future of COVD19. We can guess, we can plan, but we do not know what is going to happen. August/September are light years away in COVID time. August is 5 weeks away. I personally don’t believe that’s light years away in Covid time myself. Some school districts start the school year right at the beginning of August. If they are one of the states that has been showing increases in COVID recently, it would be very foolish for them to be planning on sending kids to school in 5 weeks.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 26, 2020 21:18:34 GMT
Oh and for those of you who are educators, I am so sorry about how much this has impacted you, your fellow staff, and your students. Thank you for sticking with it. 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
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Post by Linda on Jun 26, 2020 21:43:21 GMT
I will repeat almost everyday regarding this virus. We do not have the information to make any decisions regarding the future of COVD19. We can guess, we can plan, but we do not know what is going to happen. August/September are light years away in COVID time. August is 5 weeks away. I personally don’t believe that’s light years away in Covid time myself. Some school districts start the school year right at the beginning of August. If they are one of the states that has been showing increases in COVID recently, it would be very foolish for them to be planning on sending kids to school in 5 weeks. oh you mean like Florida? where 1st day of school is August 10th? 45 days away? and we've had nearly 20, 000 new cases in the past three days?
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Post by CeeScraps on Jun 26, 2020 21:53:14 GMT
I will repeat almost everyday regarding this virus. We do not have the information to make any decisions regarding the future of COVD19. We can guess, we can plan, but we do not know what is going to happen. August/September are light years away in COVID time. Everyone is eager to open up and move on. Many disregard all guidelines to stop or slow down the spread. They refuse to wear masks, curb group activities or stay at home as much possible. In order to get what we all want, we have to do the hard work. We were headed the right way, but selfishly lost the ground we made, because we wanted to be done with it. We should learn from this mistake and not rush into opening schools too soon. Kids trust adults to make decisions on their behave that will keep safe.
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