pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jul 13, 2020 15:05:06 GMT
It's about time the name and logo were removed.
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Post by shevy on Jul 13, 2020 15:12:52 GMT
Finally.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 15:16:25 GMT
The racist white dude tears are flowing all over twitter this morning. Cuz in racist white dude land, nothing that they were taught as children was wrong.
They don't mind the changes like the invention of the internet, cell phones, tech, etc. BUT the world's hierarchies and tone-deaf traditions must carry on just as they were "when I was young."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 15:17:59 GMT
PS - It was "cancel culture" that finally moved the owners.
Fedex, Pepsi, Nike.
Those are some powerful cancellers.
When they threaten to stop funding your team, you pay attention.
Keep pushing on companies! They have the power that many of us don't have directly - to make these changes FINALLY happen.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 15:22:30 GMT
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jul 13, 2020 15:24:00 GMT
PS - It was "cancel culture" that finally moved the owners. Fedex, Pepsi, Nike. Those are some powerful cancellers. When they threaten to stop funding your team, you pay attention. Keep pushing on companies! They have the power that many of us don't have directly - to make these changes FINALLY happen. A million times, yep. Don’t forget Amazon pulled all their swag from the site too.
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Post by Blind Squirrel on Jul 13, 2020 17:20:11 GMT
Awesome!
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DEX
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Post by DEX on Jul 13, 2020 17:27:30 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves?
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 13, 2020 17:34:02 GMT
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jul 13, 2020 17:41:25 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves? They should all be changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 17:44:28 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves? Just FYI. They change logos all the time. If it was 'Braves' as in 'brave people'...but we all know one of the former logos included native american mascot. "The Atlanta Braves have a total of 29 different logos starting back in the Boston Beaneaters days. In the beginning, the team bounced between team nicknames, wordmark, and different styles of the letter “B.” The last logo for the Boston Braves was the first logo that was not a letter or city name. They had three different versions of the logo featuring a native American. Today’s logo does not have a native American a part of the logo."
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DEX
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Post by DEX on Jul 14, 2020 5:28:30 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves? Just FYI. They change logos all the time. If it was 'Braves' as in 'brave people'...but we all know one of the former logos included native american mascot. "The Atlanta Braves have a total of 29 different logos starting back in the Boston Beaneaters days. In the beginning, the team bounced between team nicknames, wordmark, and different styles of the letter “B.” The last logo for the Boston Braves was the first logo that was not a letter or city name. They had three different versions of the logo featuring a native American. Today’s logo does not have a native American a part of the logo." But, they still do the “Tomahawk Chop” when they score. Ugh.
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Post by andreasmom on Jul 14, 2020 5:39:44 GMT
Just FYI. They change logos all the time. If it was 'Braves' as in 'brave people'...but we all know one of the former logos included native american mascot. "The Atlanta Braves have a total of 29 different logos starting back in the Boston Beaneaters days. In the beginning, the team bounced between team nicknames, wordmark, and different styles of the letter “B.” The last logo for the Boston Braves was the first logo that was not a letter or city name. They had three different versions of the logo featuring a native American. Today’s logo does not have a native American a part of the logo." But, they still do the “Tomahawk Chop” when they score. Ugh. I just read the tomahawk chop will go away. The name stays.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Jul 14, 2020 6:47:23 GMT
NHL's Chicago Blackhawks isn't changing their name, either.
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luvnlifelady
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jul 14, 2020 7:52:07 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves? They have said they aren't changing and I applaud them. They were named "the Braves" to honor Native Americans. People that aren't in that group are getting their panties in a wad and now they are supposed to change? The Cleveland Indians are going to the Spiders? WTH? Lame.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Jul 14, 2020 7:57:56 GMT
So what's next; Atlanta Braves - still have the tomahawk logo Cleveland Indians - no one should call themselves Indians except indians Pittsburgh Pirates/Minnesota Vikings/Tampa Bay Buccaneers - all had and/or traded slaves New Orleans Saints/Los Angels Angels - where are the atheists New England Patriots /New York Yankees- I'm sure someone somewhere will come up with a reason that these need to be changed Cincinnati Reds/Chicago Blackhawks - Texas Rangers - "Washington Post Global Opinions editor Karen Attiah argued on Monday that the Texas Rangers as a team name "must go." On the heels of the Washington Redskins retiring its name and mascot amid pressure from critics and corporate sponsors, an op-ed written by Attiah made the case that "to know the full history of the Texas Rangers is to understand that the team’s name is not so far off from being called the Texas Klansmen."
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Post by tara on Jul 14, 2020 12:17:52 GMT
So what's next; Atlanta Braves - still have the tomahawk logo Cleveland Indians - no one should call themselves Indians except indians Pittsburgh Pirates/Minnesota Vikings/Tampa Bay Buccaneers - all had and/or traded slaves New Orleans Saints/Los Angels Angels - where are the atheists New England Patriots /New York Yankees- I'm sure someone somewhere will come up with a reason that these need to be changed Cincinnati Reds/Chicago Blackhawks - Texas Rangers - "Washington Post Global Opinions editor Karen Attiah argued on Monday that the Texas Rangers as a team name "must go." On the heels of the Washington Redskins retiring its name and mascot amid pressure from critics and corporate sponsors, an op-ed written by Attiah made the case that "to know the full history of the Texas Rangers is to understand that the team’s name is not so far off from being called the Texas Klansmen." I might be wrong but I’ve always heard Cincinnati Reds used to be called the Red Stockings and then they shortened it to Reds.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Jul 14, 2020 13:24:13 GMT
So what's next; Atlanta Braves - still have the tomahawk logo Cleveland Indians - no one should call themselves Indians except indians Pittsburgh Pirates/Minnesota Vikings/Tampa Bay Buccaneers - all had and/or traded slaves New Orleans Saints/Los Angels Angels - where are the atheists New England Patriots /New York Yankees- I'm sure someone somewhere will come up with a reason that these need to be changed Cincinnati Reds/Chicago Blackhawks - Texas Rangers - "Washington Post Global Opinions editor Karen Attiah argued on Monday that the Texas Rangers as a team name "must go." On the heels of the Washington Redskins retiring its name and mascot amid pressure from critics and corporate sponsors, an op-ed written by Attiah made the case that "to know the full history of the Texas Rangers is to understand that the team’s name is not so far off from being called the Texas Klansmen." I might be wrong but I’ve always heard Cincinnati Reds used to be called the Red Stockings and then they shortened it to Reds. They were, they dropped the stockings part and became just the Reds. Then became the Redlegs but dropped the ‘red’ from the name and uniform because of its association with communism for a few years. Their name has an interesting history.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 13:28:48 GMT
When you know better, you do better. Or at least compassionate people do.
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Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on Jul 14, 2020 14:02:10 GMT
How do you stop a fan response i wonder? A name and logo you can change, but will they fine fans, or remove them from the stadium if they do the "tomohawk chop"?
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rodeomom
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 14, 2020 15:45:12 GMT
It is absolutely ridiculous that anyone would not know that "Redskins" is very offensive!! How ignorant can you be? Everyone would agree that if the team name was the "Washington Nig**rs" that that would be very racist and offensive. Why can you not see the "Redskins" is the same to most NA? As in "you dirty redskin" Where and who is this tribe of Redskins you are trying to honor? No NA that didn't have to dig up a ggggrandfather for a blood fusion thinks that that is "honoring their culture".
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 14, 2020 15:57:22 GMT
So what's next; Atlanta Braves - still have the tomahawk logo Cleveland Indians - no one should call themselves Indians except indians Pittsburgh Pirates/Minnesota Vikings/Tampa Bay Buccaneers - all had and/or traded slavesNew Orleans Saints/Los Angels Angels - where are the atheists New England Patriots /New York Yankees- I'm sure someone somewhere will come up with a reason that these need to be changed Cincinnati Reds/Chicago Blackhawks - Texas Rangers - "Washington Post Global Opinions editor Karen Attiah argued on Monday that the Texas Rangers as a team name "must go." On the heels of the Washington Redskins retiring its name and mascot amid pressure from critics and corporate sponsors, an op-ed written by Attiah made the case that "to know the full history of the Texas Rangers is to understand that the team’s name is not so far off from being called the Texas Klansmen." Are you suggesting the team used/sold slaves? I'm pretty sure the Pirates were not established until AFTER the Civil War, so no slavery, and definitely not in Pittsburgh. So if that is not what you are alleging, I assume you mean the owners had or traded slaves? Do you have a link for that? Or is this just a meme you copied from Facebook without any independent research? If you have a link, I would be interested in reading it.
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peabay
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Post by peabay on Jul 14, 2020 16:24:37 GMT
So what's next; Atlanta Braves - still have the tomahawk logo Cleveland Indians - no one should call themselves Indians except indians Pittsburgh Pirates/Minnesota Vikings/Tampa Bay Buccaneers - all had and/or traded slavesNew Orleans Saints/Los Angels Angels - where are the atheists New England Patriots /New York Yankees- I'm sure someone somewhere will come up with a reason that these need to be changed Cincinnati Reds/Chicago Blackhawks - Texas Rangers - "Washington Post Global Opinions editor Karen Attiah argued on Monday that the Texas Rangers as a team name "must go." On the heels of the Washington Redskins retiring its name and mascot amid pressure from critics and corporate sponsors, an op-ed written by Attiah made the case that "to know the full history of the Texas Rangers is to understand that the team’s name is not so far off from being called the Texas Klansmen." Are you suggesting the team used/sold slaves? I'm pretty sure the Pirates were not established until AFTER the Civil War, so no slavery, and definitely not in Pittsburgh. So if that is not what you are alleging, I assume you mean the owners had or traded slaves? Do you have a link for that? Or is this just a meme you copied from Facebook without any independent research? If you have a link, I would be interested in reading it. I'm quite sure she means that in history, Pirates, Vikings and Buccaneers had/traded slaves.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Jul 14, 2020 16:29:20 GMT
Are you suggesting the team used/sold slaves? I'm pretty sure the Pirates were not established until AFTER the Civil War, so no slavery, and definitely not in Pittsburgh. So if that is not what you are alleging, I assume you mean the owners had or traded slaves? Do you have a link for that? Or is this just a meme you copied from Facebook without any independent research? If you have a link, I would be interested in reading it. I'm quite sure she means that in history, Pirates, Vikings and Buccaneers had/traded slaves. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 17:00:07 GMT
From 'NEVER' to Name Change, How Dan Snyder Lost Redskins Battle www.newsweek.com/never-name-change-dan-snyder-washington-owner-1517385"Just over seven years ago, Snyder, who purchased the franchise in 1999 for $800 million following the death of previous owner Jack Kent Cooke, famously told USA Today that the name of the franchise would never change. "We will never change the name of the team," he was quoted as saying. "As a lifelong Redskins fan, and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it's all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season. [...] We'll never change the name. It's that simple. NEVER—you can use caps."" The old ways are finally dying. Finally. Wish they'd died centuries ago. I am glad I am alive to see part of it. I am hopeful for a more peaceful, more just future, not run by old white men who cling to old white ways - but with leadership from ALL races, genders, creeds, backgrounds.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Jul 14, 2020 17:17:32 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves? The Cleveland Indians and the KC Chiefs are going to have to figure their shit out now too. Though I think the Braves have come out and said they aren't changing their name. They might do away with the Tomahawk Chop though. We'll see what happens if their brands start to pull money though.
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Post by shevy on Jul 14, 2020 17:41:07 GMT
They were named "the Braves" to honor Native Americans. People that aren't in that group are getting their panties in a wad and now they are supposed to change? They were originally named after a Notice American warrior. The issue comes with the ways in which the team and media use it. "The Braves Were Scalped Last Night" is certainly not a positive headline. The Tomahawk chop, the mascot being an American Indian: Chief Noa-A-Homa/Princess Win-A -Lotta(certainly making fun of American Indian name structure). American Indian Braves were: For plains Indians such as the Sioux or Apache this included killing and scalping an enemy, capturing a horse, disarming an opponent, infiltrating the enemy's camp, taking a prisoner, or striking the same opponent three times in battle. A positive thing in their culture at the time, but not necessarily a positive at this point i history. And to be honest, then the majority of tribal nations are calling for them to be replaces, I'm going to side with them, as it's their culture we (the white people) have been appropriating as we see fit, without regard to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 17:43:33 GMT
Now, what about the Atlanta Braves? The Cleveland Indians and the KC Chiefs are going to have to figure their shit out now too. Though I think the Braves have come out and said they aren't changing their name. They might do away with the Tomahawk Chop though. We'll see what happens if their brands start to pull money though. Yep. This is America. Money talks. Sometimes, it's the only thing that does. " FedEx's move came after three separate letters signed by 87 investment firms and shareholders worth a combined $620 billion directly asked FedEx, Nike and Pepsi to terminate their relationship with the franchise unless the Redskins agreed to change their name." From link above.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 14, 2020 17:53:38 GMT
I'm quite sure she means that in history, Pirates, Vikings and Buccaneers had/traded slaves. Exactly. Thank you for the clarification. Slave trade is not the first thought that comes to my mind when I hear those terms, so I did not get the reference. There has been a lot of discussion about other institutions using slave labor early in their history, and that was my first thought. I was genuinely curious about the origins.
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Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on Jul 14, 2020 18:40:12 GMT
I'm quite sure she means that in history, Pirates, Vikings and Buccaneers had/traded slaves. never mind the pillaging and raping
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